Anyone Waking Up Yet!

[ThomistColin]

If I may say, "was the true heart of America." I think we lost that mindset at the end of the 1970s.

 

[Sirk]

If I may say, "was the true heart of America." I think we lost that mindset at the end of the 1970s.

I think the foundation is still there....we just need to take it back from the plantation overlords.

 

[Sirk]

I don't really consider you much better than them, then. I think the only difference is that while you'll use thelaw or the government to justify bigotry, oppression and exclusion and you seem to think it would be righteous and okay because it's state sponsored, the extremists have no illusions about going out and actively oppressing regardless of law. How's that strike you? Sound like I'm defending extremism? I'm not. I simply oppose bigotry, hatred and un-empathetic attitudes in all their forms, but moreso when they're augmented with some idea that they are more valid than other forms of bigotry and hatred because the government does it. It's that kind of logic that paints anti-American boys who've had their entire families wiped out in drone strikes and who oppose America less justified than Americans who've never been the victim of an extremist attack in their lives but who are willing to kill strangers from some command centre like a Call of Duty installment.

You need to realize something. Nobody on this planet wants to be oppressed. For that desire to be realized no person should seek to oppress others, then oppression would not exist. I do not ever seek to oppress nor to condone oppression in any form. Do you?

You don't understand the human condition very well then....because some people DO want to be oppressed....it's out of ignorance but ignorance is still a choice. I dare you to go be anything other than a Muslim in a sharia driven neighborhood, city or country.

 

[Kencore]

Really? Have you been to Paris to confrim that? Because I have, and any incident of a person contradicting French law is treated as a crime whether some people think the place is a Sharia zone or not. When you see Alice, tell her she needs to get out of the rabbit hole.

Hey human, have you been to these 751 areas in France. Regardless of you response to the question I trust the sources of the reportin here than your "vast" knowledge....

The shocking reality of 'no-go' zones: France has no control over Muslim-populated neighborhoods - Europe - International - News - Catholic Online

 

[Billyd]

Psalms 23

1 A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

This is the second verses that I was taught, and had to memorize, as a youngster in Sunday School. Think about what it says the us as Christians.

 

[Kencore]

No European country allows laws outside its own laws, legally. No Sharia courts are governmentally approved or condoned. No Sharia towns legally exist, and all those who think otherwise are blatantly ignorant. A few months ago I read a poster here talking about the sensationalism regarding Sharia No-Go zones in the UK. Do you know what actually happened? A few hardline Muslims put up stickers on a few lamp-posts that read 'Sharia Zone'. The police took them down, investigated and found those responsible.

Contrary to ignorant assumptions, there is no law in the UK (or France for that matter) than the law that exists. No legal precedent exists in the UK that deems Sharia law acceptable in any UK territory. What happened in France could have happened anywhere. It really isn't dificult in most countries to procure guns if one so wishes, and being blanketly anti-Islam won't help.

Numerous examples exist of mass shootings in America (the school shootings for instance) and in Europe. Anti-Islam protests and anti-Islamophobia protests are also prevalent, but what I think it is important to say to you, personally, is that people who commit crimes like these are hateful and ignorant people. They do not represent the general population, nor the majority of Muslim people.

Muslim leaders in France overwhelmingly condemned the attacks, and most rational and sane people did that too, without resorting to tarring every Muslim with the terrorist brush and giving cause thereby for support for radical Islam. If anyone needs to wake up, it is the mountain of (generally Americans) who have this idea that Muslims are by-and-large psychotic, deranged murderers.

It simply isn't the case. By my standards, France, Germany, Britain, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland (Western Europe) are by and large full of people not so outrageous as to think one attack is justification to assume every Muslim in Western Europe wants a society that stones people to death.

Many of those Muslims moved out of their countries of origin to get away from such radical interpretations of the Quran. Many of the Muslims who still reside there oppose those violent incidents as much as you or I may. Islam isn't the problem; the minority of radicals are the problem.

This is just why I can't rely on your responses Human. And there are just too many contradictions otherwise. But keep up the tekeyah anyways.

Sharia Law to be in British legal system as lawyers get guidelines Islamic rules | Daily Mail Online

Sharia Law in Europe - Sharia Law in France, UK, Germany, Netherlands

 

[Human]

This is just why I can't rely on your responses Human. And there are just too many contradictions otherwise. But keep up the tekeyah anyways.

Sharia Law to be in British legal system as lawyers get guidelines Islamic rules | Daily Mail Online

Sharia Law in Europe - Sharia Law in France, UK, Germany, Netherlands

The first article is about wills and inheritence, and on how Muslims can write wills compliant with Sharia law on inheritance. In case you forgot, a person can write a will and leave their inheritance to whomever they like; that doesn't go against current British law.

The second is non-referenced dismissable tripe.

 

[Kencore]

Human, my favorite muslim apologist how are you? Look sharia starts small just to get a foot in the door and it just propagates from there. Take 9 minutes of your time to watch this video if you would. Then tell me how messed up it is. It discusses sharia being the duty of all muslims, abrogation as specified in the koran and your favorite method of deception teqeyya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY

 

[djness]

This is just why I can't rely on your responses Human. And there are just too many contradictions otherwise. But keep up the tekeyah anyways.

Sharia Law to be in British legal system as lawyers get guidelines Islamic rules | Daily Mail Online

Sharia Law in Europe - Sharia Law in France, UK, Germany, Netherlands

Law Society withdraws Sharia succession principles practice note - The Law Society

Law Society withdraws Sharia succession principles practice note

24 November 2014

The Law Society has withdrawn its practice note on Sharia succession principles following feedback, including from some members.
Law Society president Andrew Caplen said:
'Our practice note was intended to support members to better serve their clients as far as is allowed by the law of England and Wales.
'We reviewed the note in the light of criticism. We have withdrawn the note and we are sorry.'
Ends
Notes to editors

The note was published on 13 March 2014 for solicitors instructed to prepare a valid will which follows Sharia succession rules. The note was removed from the Law Society website today (24 November 2014).

- See more at: Law Society withdraws Sharia succession principles practice note - The Law Society

 

[Human]

Human, my favorite muslim apologist how are you? Look sharia starts small just to get a foot in the door and it just propagates from there. Take 9 minutes of your time to watch this video if you would. Then tell me how messed up it is. It discusses sharia being the duty of all muslims, abrogation as specified in the koran and your favorite method of deception teqeyya.

Three things you (probably) don't know about islam - YouTube

Ken, bear in mind first of all that none of the following occurences have any archological, scientific or historical evidence outside the Bible and Koran, but Christianity teaches that a creator God without physical form created a universe with an Earth of humans in 7 days (like the Koran); that the same humans whom God created as he created them weren't good enough in the same God's eyes (like the Koran); that God decided to inflict death and suffering upon those imperfect humans whom he created with the ability to be imperfect with foresight that they would do things that are deemed by him imperfect (like the Koran); that the first son of the first couple killed the younger son (like the Koran); that God punished that son with a curse upon his head that people would want to kill him but who would be destroyed for doing so (like the Koran); that God then imparted the universal moral code of the universe upon an adopted Egyptian prince by way of a burning bush (like the Koran) who saved a massive slave population of Jews by way of a 40 year hike (no evidence whatsoever); that penalties for going against this code are harsh and often result in death (like the Koran); that God then drowned the entire human race leaving only a few who were saved by a wooden boat never reproduced by even the most modern humans (like the Koran); that God then sent a Messiah incarnation of himself to die for himself to appease himself for the sins of the imperfect creation he created. That last part, the Koran disagrees with slightly in that while they believe Jesus is the Messiah, that he was blameless, was the moral pinnacle of humanity, they believe he was not an incarnation nor son of God but the most morally upright prophet. And you all go about hating each other, killing each other, and saying these outrageous things about extreme moral viewpoints, about stoning, taking various wildly differing interpretations and asserting moral authority regardless of the plain moral variation of interpretation. The book upon which you base your beliefs commands execution for a number of offenses like adultery and wearing two fabrics at the same time and that women who are raped are so unclean their only suitor is their rapist who must pay the father money and look after the woman as her husband, and yet you think your book so much more morally upright than the Koran.

Well it isn't. The uprightness comes from you ignoring the violent commands and listening to the nonviolent ones; from ignoring the bigoted, mysogynistic commands and upholding the ones of equality; from ignoring the hateful commands and listening to the sensible ones, just like moderate Muslims.

Islam is 400 years younger than Christianity. 400 years ago, many Christians weren't much better.

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[Kencore]

Human please, stop telling me what the Bible says. I'm a big boy and can read it all by myself, well not really the Holy Sporit is always with me. Anyways how did you like the video? True or Not?

 

[ThomistColin]

Human please, stop telling me what the Bible says. I'm a big boy and can read it all by myself, well not really the Holy Sporit is always with me. Anyways how did you like the video? True or Not?

You've insinuated the man is Muslim without proof, and you're offended he struck back?

 

[Kencore]

You've insinuated the man is Muslim without proof, and you're offended he struck back?

Hey your going to have to trust me on this one, I am so Not offended honestly. Human and I have had conversations before and he knows tha I know he's a muslim. If you want proof here you go.

This question is strictly for Human.

1) Human will you denounce the koran as the true teachings of allah?

2) Human will you denounce muhammad as the rightly guided messenger of allah?

If he does these things I will believe he's not muslim. He didn't the last time I asked.

 

[Desdichado]

I've been awake since 2001 and have not gone back to sleep either. I can't say the same for everyone else though.

 

[inge]

Jesus' own words "I did not come to bring peace but to bring a sword". Hardly the words of a pacifist.

The question is... what sword?
Do you think Jesus brought wars with the sword? I personally believe something else.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Ef 6:17

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebr 4:12

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shines in his strength. Rev 1:16
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[inge]

I like to put here what I did put already on this other thread about this issue.


For backing up my arguments. I have been married to an Egyptian Coptic and have seen with my own eyes that Islam can cause problems. I have seen the persecution of Christians in Egypt when I did visit them several times in a period of 4 years (2008-2012). In Egypt I have noticed that Extreme Islam tries to get a hold on society. In public the amount of woman dressed in totally black did grew. And yes.. as western girl you have issues in such a society. (Did not want to live there.) And since a year I work with ex-refugees in my countries and I meet persecuted Christians, persecuted Muslims and all kind of people.

What is happening?
This said.... about the whole issue as mentioned what happened in France, and how to treat Muslim I look a bit further than just telling the first thing that comes to my mind.

I am not a conspiracy kind of person but I know from the bible that this world is a stage for a war that satan likes to bring on us. Satan likes to bring fear and hate. When you are a liberal Muslim (as many are) than you are not used to the extreme violence that we hear of nowadays. I have met many nice Muslim people, nothing wrong with them. But when they are under a teacher what is a fundamentalist than yes... it goes wrong. Why... because we read in the old testament that other religions than the God of the Bible, are having idols. Whom does not worship God but someone or something else.. worships an idol. And behind idols are demons.

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
And what happens with them? Do we think idols do not do the things anymore as they did in Biblical times? Well that is a wrong assumption. At the same time we are not called to fight those idol believers as if we need to kill them. This is what God ask us:

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Cor 10:3-5​

We will see more fear... the Bible - God Himself- warns us. So how will this fear grow?

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws nigh. Luk 21:24-28​

Satan tries to sow more and more fear, worries .... and wars.
When we give in, into calling people names and in worry we are in the perfect place where satan likes us to be.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:
see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation,
and kingdom against kingdom:
and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they (whom?? only Muslim?)deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved​

What Media is speaking truth? Whom is speaking truth?
satan uses media, yes he uses all people that are not free in Christ. He can be roaring like a lion and also as an angle of light. He is both against Islam, stirring hate against Islam and Muslim... and also stirring up extreme Islamist. So when we speak about it... do we speak out of fear, or do act as Jesus has learned us?

No nation, no idol, no religion, no world leader, no government no army can save us for the coming fear and hate and war.
Only Jesus can. As Noah was saved by the ark of God.... so can we be saved by our ark -Jesus.

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 24:38​

Do we see, and hear the flood coming? Yes... but what is this flood... is it fear and satans tactics using people and nations... or is it one particular religion?


What will come over this world will be worse than one could imagine. Only God can make us stand.

 

[Utah]

Radical islam needs to be exterminated without prejudice for our safety.

islam needs to be exterminated without prejudice for the salvation of those duped by that death cult.

What's the controversy?

 

[Oncefallen]

Hey your going to have to trust me on this one, I am so Not offended honestly. Human and I have had conversations before and he knows tha I know he's a muslim. If you want proof here you go.

This question is strictly for Human.

1) Human will you denounce the koran as the true teachings of allah?

2) Human will you denounce muhammad as the rightly guided messenger of allah?

If he does these things I will believe he's not muslim. He didn't the last time I asked.

If you're that concerned read a little bit of his post history. It will quickly prove to you that he is an an atheist.

 

[PlainWord]

Islam is the "Mother of all Harlots and the Abomination of the earth" spoken of by John in Revelation. Islam is Satan's final false religion which has dominion over 1/4 of the earth (4th seal). Radical Islam has begun and it's location is the Bear, Lion, Leopard nations spoken of by Daniel and by John in Rev 13. Turkey will join them as will 6-7 other nations. The "King of the North" (AKA the Man of Sin as some call AntiChrist) will lead these forces against their Arab neighbors, against Israel, Egypt and especially Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis will fall and MECCA (the daughter of Babylon) will be destroyed. Yes Radical Islam hates the Harlot and will destroy her. It has started and will not end until Satan's Great Tribulation is over. Untold millions will die not only in the Middle East but all over the globe.

How is that for a wake up call? Good morning everyone.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I had difficulty with the forum yesterday, and it wouldn't accurately accept the links I provided in a couple posts, which I therefore deleted because, without the links, they lacked clarity. So I'm going to try again.

The refusal to accept that France has "no-go zones" in which Sharia Law is enforced, and which are dangerous enclaves for French police to enter, is nothing short of delusional fantasy. It is well-known that these closed communities exist, and are of major concern to French police, but up until last week, were of little to no concern to French politicians.

The proof of these enclaves is well-documented. In fact, in answer to one of the "unbelievers" (Translate: terrorist apologists) I will say that yes, I have been to Paris and seen these neighborhoods for myself. It was while I was at an international marriage and family conference sponsored by the APA a couple years ago. Further, I was told by French police and a Parisian psychologist specializing in marriage and family as I do, that bands of young "patrolmen" for lack of a better word with actively and violently confront police if they dare enter the communities for any reason.

But among the other documentation I can provide are these.

Hundreds of 'No-Go Zones' Across France Are Off-Limits to Non-Muslims

‘No-Go Zones’ in France Restrict Citizens & Allow Islamists to Conquer Territory Without Firing a Shot

The shocking reality of 'no-go' zones: France has no control over Muslim-populated neighborhoods

European 'No-Go' Zones for Non-Muslims Proliferating:"Occupation Without Tanks or Soldiers"

That anyone has the never to deny the existence of these communities simply reveals their own willingness to be deluded by much of the media, and your own refusal to accept reality. In that respect, you emulate our "leader" -- a term to be applied facetiously at best and with great embarrassment in reality -- who refuses to name our enemy as Islamist terrorism, and had no compassion nor sympathy for the victims of terrorism to the extent that he would not join the real leaders of the world in yesterday's Paris march against Islamist terrorism. Today, America is ashamed because of him.