And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE NT]?
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Hizikiah, I'll first answer the last part of your post: you must know that I dont have problem with you using the name Yahweh - I also use it, as well as Jesus.
Okay, not sure where you are going with this one. What I conclude is that you doubt this verse being legitimate. But here is another witness in the Bible. Eternal principles of God do not change - may everything be established by 2 or 3 witnesses. This is another witness to make the trinity doctrine stand, from the mouth of Jesus Himself:
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Father is God, Son is God, and Holy Ghost is God - Jesus would never command to baptize in any other name but the name of the LORD or YHWH. Also, we know God is one, from other witnesses in the Scriptures. And so these three are one.
Textus receptus is the received text. That is what the church has been using all this time since the apostles. You might challenge it, I wouldnt discourage anyone from study. What I am saying is, if we attack the integrity and credibility of the Scriptures we have received... I just think that you're on dangerous ground. I'm sorry that you have experienced personal attacks. Praying God will lead you on this study. (I suggest open another thread on that verse if you want to discuss it, as this is really a big topic to discuss it on this thread, so I tried to be brief.)
Regarding Paul, Paul was not sinless in the sense that every man of God sinned somewhere in their life. But to believe that corrupt teaching was passed on in the received Scriptures, as an instruction from God, or that Paul made mistakes as an overseer of the early church is another thing... that I must disagree with. It would be the same as saying that Moses taught and led the people of Israel wrong when God chose him to lead them. Maybe that's not exactly what you're saying, if not please expound and correct us, but that's what most of people here gathered from your posts.
Okay, not sure where you are going with this one. What I conclude is that you doubt this verse being legitimate. But here is another witness in the Bible. Eternal principles of God do not change - may everything be established by 2 or 3 witnesses. This is another witness to make the trinity doctrine stand, from the mouth of Jesus Himself:
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Father is God, Son is God, and Holy Ghost is God - Jesus would never command to baptize in any other name but the name of the LORD or YHWH. Also, we know God is one, from other witnesses in the Scriptures. And so these three are one.
Textus receptus is the received text. That is what the church has been using all this time since the apostles. You might challenge it, I wouldnt discourage anyone from study. What I am saying is, if we attack the integrity and credibility of the Scriptures we have received... I just think that you're on dangerous ground. I'm sorry that you have experienced personal attacks. Praying God will lead you on this study. (I suggest open another thread on that verse if you want to discuss it, as this is really a big topic to discuss it on this thread, so I tried to be brief.)
Regarding Paul, Paul was not sinless in the sense that every man of God sinned somewhere in their life. But to believe that corrupt teaching was passed on in the received Scriptures, as an instruction from God, or that Paul made mistakes as an overseer of the early church is another thing... that I must disagree with. It would be the same as saying that Moses taught and led the people of Israel wrong when God chose him to lead them. Maybe that's not exactly what you're saying, if not please expound and correct us, but that's what most of people here gathered from your posts.
C
Exactly - as well as what the other Sisters wrote. Does a Body good to see His Body defend their Head and whom The Head had chosen to speak on His behalf by His Spirit of Truth and write it down for the ages to come.
This 'why am I being picked on' can be answered by me saying, for me as well, it was a one-two-three punch at Paul from page one -
1. http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-designated-human-example-nt.html#post1849938
2. http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-designated-human-example-nt.html#post1849946
3. http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-designated-human-example-nt.html#post1849961
That's all I have to say. The others are doing much better than I can and I've already said more than I should have on this thread. Should have just posted that first post and kept my emotions to myself.
Thanks to you others that have defended The Word of God and His decisions on who would record His Word.
K
I believe It is those that think Paul taught not to follow the Law of the Creator is what is causing the error...
Agree. I see this site has got all in a twist up today. Still don't know what's going on, but I am studying all of scripture to line up with Messiah's Words. I am not a "Pauline". Good grief, what is that anyway?
Hiz, you have been a fine example of studying like the noble Bereans...and we would all do well to do the same. The KJV is not a perfect translation, even tho it is much appreciated and we all should never forget the history of people who died in order for us to have that copy. I shudder to think what those men would think of this generation, were we not to strive even a little to understand, or to scrutinize and correct in light of a fluid and multi-language at that.. Wycliffe would certainly approve, not to mention Paul..they both gave their lives.
Wonder what Mr Atwood has to say about all this, he seems to have mysteriously disappeared. Who knows, maybe he has reincarnated into an eyeball. Don't let it get to you brother. We all of us who truly follow Him will be hated.
Agree. I see this site has got all in a twist up today. Still don't know what's going on, but I am studying all of scripture to line up with Messiah's Words. I am not a "Pauline". Good grief, what is that anyway?
Hiz, you have been a fine example of studying like the noble Bereans...and we would all do well to do the same. The KJV is not a perfect translation, even tho it is much appreciated and we all should never forget the history of people who died in order for us to have that copy. I shudder to think what those men would think of this generation, were we not to strive even a little to understand, or to scrutinize and correct in light of a fluid and multi-language at that.. Wycliffe would certainly approve, not to mention Paul..they both gave their lives.
Wonder what Mr Atwood has to say about all this, he seems to have mysteriously disappeared. Who knows, maybe he has reincarnated into an eyeball. Don't let it get to you brother. We all of us who truly follow Him will be hated.
K
Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE
erses 5:7-8 -- In the King James Version and later renditions ofthe Latin Vulgate, the received Greek and Latin texts include the words: “ ...In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth... ”
Hiz is right, these words were added. Research it yourself. Whether to strengthen the argument that God is 3 persons, dunno, but that's my guess.
I want the Word, as pure as I can get it. We live in exciting times, where information is available that was not accessible to my grandma, man she would have loved it! There is nothing to fear in finding the truth! Wow, I'd be afraid not to want the truth.
erses 5:7-8 -- In the King James Version and later renditions ofthe Latin Vulgate, the received Greek and Latin texts include the words: “ ...In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth... ”
Hiz is right, these words were added. Research it yourself. Whether to strengthen the argument that God is 3 persons, dunno, but that's my guess.
I want the Word, as pure as I can get it. We live in exciting times, where information is available that was not accessible to my grandma, man she would have loved it! There is nothing to fear in finding the truth! Wow, I'd be afraid not to want the truth.
O
Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE
AMEN, Karraster,
the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth!!!
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only by studying and examining the WHOLE Word of God, and this does
take some serious, dedicated, time consuming, prayerful, diligent effort -
a 'life-long' endeavor.
finding out how the scriptures don't break one another but hold each other together is truly amazing -
and as we all will eventually find out, in our own time, that when we study all the pieces,
the greater picture comes into focus and we will see our actual part in the
unfolding drama that our Father has presented to us.
mind-boggling come to mind -
AMEN, Karraster,
the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth!!!
=
only by studying and examining the WHOLE Word of God, and this does
take some serious, dedicated, time consuming, prayerful, diligent effort -
a 'life-long' endeavor.
finding out how the scriptures don't break one another but hold each other together is truly amazing -
and as we all will eventually find out, in our own time, that when we study all the pieces,
the greater picture comes into focus and we will see our actual part in the
unfolding drama that our Father has presented to us.
mind-boggling come to mind -
J
no more than not stealing, not lying, not committing adultery , not having any other gods, not worshiping any idols, ...
especially when ABIDING in CHRIST JESUS and in YAHWEH -- and when crucified (all the emotions and flesh) with Him as it is written
"I have been crucified with Christ, never-the-less I live, yet not I , but Christ Who Liveth in me, and the life that i now live i live by faith in the Son of God Who Loves me and gave Himself for me"
especially when ABIDING in CHRIST JESUS and in YAHWEH -- and when crucified (all the emotions and flesh) with Him as it is written
"I have been crucified with Christ, never-the-less I live, yet not I , but Christ Who Liveth in me, and the life that i now live i live by faith in the Son of God Who Loves me and gave Himself for me"
C
So you all see nothing wrong with throwing out Paul, eh?
The only way to read ANY Bible is in the original languages and that can easily be done ... for instance -
2Pe 3:15 AndG2532 accountG2233 that theG3588 longsufferingG3115 of ourG2257 LordG2962 is salvation;G4991 even asG2532 ourG2257 belovedG27 brotherG80 PaulG3972 alsoG2532 accordingG2596 to theG3588 wisdomG4678 givenG1325 unto himG846 hath writtenG1125 unto you;G5213
2Pe 3:16 AsG5613 alsoG2532 inG1722 allG3956 his epistles,G1992 speakingG2980 inG1722 themG846 ofG4012 these things;G5130 inG1722 whichG3739 areG2076 some thingsG5100 hard to be understood,G1425 whichG3739 they that are unlearnedG261 andG2532 unstableG793 wrest,G4761 asG5613 they do alsoG2532 theG3588 otherG3062 scriptures,G1124 untoG4314 theirG848 ownG2398 destruction.G684
2Pe 3:17 YeG5210 therefore,G3767 beloved,G27 seeing ye know these things before,G4267 bewareG5442 lestG3363 ye also, being led away withG4879 theG3588 errorG4106 of theG3588 wicked,G113 fall fromG1601 your ownG2398 stedfastness.G4740
Psa 56:4 In GodH430 I will praiseH1984 his word,H1697 in GodH430 I have put my trust;H982 I will notH3808 fearH3372 whatH4100 fleshH1320 can doH6213 unto me.
Psa 56:5 EveryH3605 dayH3117 they wrestH6087 my words:H1697 allH3605 their thoughtsH4284 are againstH5921 me for evil.H7451
I believe the arrogance of this all is that we live in a world with multiple hundreds of languages and we're being told by a man here that we have to use the Hebrew Names for GOD or Christ or else we're off the one true path.
I'm sorry to inform you all - but there Won't Be One Language initiated by The Almighty until After He Returns.
Very sorry for those that can't see that Paul's been dumped and dumped on and that's accepted here.
So few care??
Amazing to read about the falling away and thinking that it would only be by those that go back to moral sin - only to find out that it also includes those that cut off more than half of the N.T. thinking that they're more righteous by doing so.
If Messiah had His New Covenant written in GREEK - who are these that are demanding Hebrew Names out of all of us?
Some here are better than HIM as well and not just His Choice of Apostles that were commissioned by HIM to write His Word - hey?
Yeah - Better than Jesus And Paul now.
If you're better than Paul and feel that you use the language that Messiah SHOULD HAVE used but didn't, to write His New Covenant in and you glory in that - I quote this verse and mean it toward those that feel this way, in their "holier than Thou" [in context that phrase "holier than Thou" was being said TO GOD in their arrogance as well .... IOW - the arrogance of deeming ones choice of language as Better than GOD's Choice of language for His N.T. and better than His Apostle/Prophet/Evangelist/Pastor/Teacher Paul -
Rev 2:9b ........... and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
I just say - How Dare you bring fault Against and Above Christ's choice of languages and His Apostle and set yourself against either!
How Dare you !
Gal 2:5
The only way to read ANY Bible is in the original languages and that can easily be done ... for instance -
2Pe 3:15 AndG2532 accountG2233 that theG3588 longsufferingG3115 of ourG2257 LordG2962 is salvation;G4991 even asG2532 ourG2257 belovedG27 brotherG80 PaulG3972 alsoG2532 accordingG2596 to theG3588 wisdomG4678 givenG1325 unto himG846 hath writtenG1125 unto you;G5213
2Pe 3:16 AsG5613 alsoG2532 inG1722 allG3956 his epistles,G1992 speakingG2980 inG1722 themG846 ofG4012 these things;G5130 inG1722 whichG3739 areG2076 some thingsG5100 hard to be understood,G1425 whichG3739 they that are unlearnedG261 andG2532 unstableG793 wrest,G4761 asG5613 they do alsoG2532 theG3588 otherG3062 scriptures,G1124 untoG4314 theirG848 ownG2398 destruction.G684
2Pe 3:17 YeG5210 therefore,G3767 beloved,G27 seeing ye know these things before,G4267 bewareG5442 lestG3363 ye also, being led away withG4879 theG3588 errorG4106 of theG3588 wicked,G113 fall fromG1601 your ownG2398 stedfastness.G4740
Psa 56:4 In GodH430 I will praiseH1984 his word,H1697 in GodH430 I have put my trust;H982 I will notH3808 fearH3372 whatH4100 fleshH1320 can doH6213 unto me.
Psa 56:5 EveryH3605 dayH3117 they wrestH6087 my words:H1697 allH3605 their thoughtsH4284 are againstH5921 me for evil.H7451
I believe the arrogance of this all is that we live in a world with multiple hundreds of languages and we're being told by a man here that we have to use the Hebrew Names for GOD or Christ or else we're off the one true path.
I'm sorry to inform you all - but there Won't Be One Language initiated by The Almighty until After He Returns.
Very sorry for those that can't see that Paul's been dumped and dumped on and that's accepted here.
So few care??
Amazing to read about the falling away and thinking that it would only be by those that go back to moral sin - only to find out that it also includes those that cut off more than half of the N.T. thinking that they're more righteous by doing so.
If Messiah had His New Covenant written in GREEK - who are these that are demanding Hebrew Names out of all of us?
Some here are better than HIM as well and not just His Choice of Apostles that were commissioned by HIM to write His Word - hey?
Yeah - Better than Jesus And Paul now.
If you're better than Paul and feel that you use the language that Messiah SHOULD HAVE used but didn't, to write His New Covenant in and you glory in that - I quote this verse and mean it toward those that feel this way, in their "holier than Thou" [in context that phrase "holier than Thou" was being said TO GOD in their arrogance as well .... IOW - the arrogance of deeming ones choice of language as Better than GOD's Choice of language for His N.T. and better than His Apostle/Prophet/Evangelist/Pastor/Teacher Paul -
Rev 2:9b ........... and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
I just say - How Dare you bring fault Against and Above Christ's choice of languages and His Apostle and set yourself against either!
How Dare you !
Gal 2:5
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Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE
Revelation 2:9, "I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich), and I know how you are slandered by those who say they are Yahdaim (Jews), and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
(To the Church in Pergamum) Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality." (ESV)
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols." (ESV)
Revelation 2:9, "I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich), and I know how you are slandered by those who say they are Yahdaim (Jews), and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
(To the Church in Pergamum) Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality." (ESV)
Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols." (ESV)
C
Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE
Oh, a Word war --- You had more "likes" from me than probably anyone on this forum for standing by 'obedience', Holiness and adherence to the commandments and against sin ..... but I had no idea you were going to slam dunk Paul and tell us that we have to use the Hebrew Names for God.
You're only recourse is to say that I'm "teaching and seducing His servants to practice fornication and eat food offered onto idols" and Jezebel - HA - I laugh in your heretical and lying face. You've been exposed by Scripture only and your own words speak against you as you spoke against Paul --- Christ's Choice of Paul and Christ's Choice of the language for the people!
While the OSAS people call me a Legalist. Amazing!
HA! You get worse by the minute -- you liar and deceiver - that had even me fooled until this was exposed about your feelings about Paul.
May the LORD rebuke you and if there's still hope for you - deliver you from your deception and posting of deception to deceive the simple!
False prophets - we've been warned of - one type attempts to lead The Church into sin [fornication] and the other type that tries to lead The Church back into justification by the law rather than obedience of walking in the Spirit as spoken of in Romans 8.
Oh, a Word war --- You had more "likes" from me than probably anyone on this forum for standing by 'obedience', Holiness and adherence to the commandments and against sin ..... but I had no idea you were going to slam dunk Paul and tell us that we have to use the Hebrew Names for God.
You're only recourse is to say that I'm "teaching and seducing His servants to practice fornication and eat food offered onto idols" and Jezebel - HA - I laugh in your heretical and lying face. You've been exposed by Scripture only and your own words speak against you as you spoke against Paul --- Christ's Choice of Paul and Christ's Choice of the language for the people!
While the OSAS people call me a Legalist. Amazing!
HA! You get worse by the minute -- you liar and deceiver - that had even me fooled until this was exposed about your feelings about Paul.
May the LORD rebuke you and if there's still hope for you - deliver you from your deception and posting of deception to deceive the simple!
False prophets - we've been warned of - one type attempts to lead The Church into sin [fornication] and the other type that tries to lead The Church back into justification by the law rather than obedience of walking in the Spirit as spoken of in Romans 8.
Wow, so no I was building upon the verse you quoted, quoting a few following verses.
and I do read Paul's writings and there is much to be learned from them, however he writes in a way that is not always direct and I do prefer the much clearer IMO words of Messiah if there seems to be a discrepancy.
I did not realize you were saying those statements to me, but rather thought they were a generalization, for you did not mention my name or quote me.
and this;
What? really?I spek openly I would have said if I thought you were teaching that. I am bothered by how you react to His Name,.
and about His name, He says His name is important to Him, why are you acting like Im evil for repeating that?
THIS IS WHAT THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN SAYS, OUT OF THEIR OWN MOUTH:
The Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 9, pages 162-163
The restriction upon communicating the Name proper probably originated in Oriental etiquette; in the East even a teacher was not called by name. For naming his master Elisha, Gehazi was punished with leprosy (II Kings viii. 5; Sanh. 100a). After the death of the high priest Simeon the Righteous, forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple,the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma 39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanhedrin xi. 1). Hananiah ben Teradion was punished for teaching his disciples the pronunciation of the Name (`Ab. Zarah 17b).
This is what Yah says:
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
The LAST thing Yahsua said to the synagogue of satan as he walked off the "temple mount" was;
Matt 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of Yahweh!"
Why are you acting like this in these matters is it not clearly written?
and I do read Paul's writings and there is much to be learned from them, however he writes in a way that is not always direct and I do prefer the much clearer IMO words of Messiah if there seems to be a discrepancy.
I did not realize you were saying those statements to me, but rather thought they were a generalization, for you did not mention my name or quote me.
and this;
What? really?I spek openly I would have said if I thought you were teaching that. I am bothered by how you react to His Name,.
and about His name, He says His name is important to Him, why are you acting like Im evil for repeating that?
THIS IS WHAT THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN SAYS, OUT OF THEIR OWN MOUTH:
The Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 9, pages 162-163
The restriction upon communicating the Name proper probably originated in Oriental etiquette; in the East even a teacher was not called by name. For naming his master Elisha, Gehazi was punished with leprosy (II Kings viii. 5; Sanh. 100a). After the death of the high priest Simeon the Righteous, forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple,the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma 39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanhedrin xi. 1). Hananiah ben Teradion was punished for teaching his disciples the pronunciation of the Name (`Ab. Zarah 17b).
This is what Yah says:
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
The LAST thing Yahsua said to the synagogue of satan as he walked off the "temple mount" was;
Matt 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of Yahweh!"
Why are you acting like this in these matters is it not clearly written?
These readings COMPLETELY CHANGE the meaning, only one can be correct.
Revelation 22:14
New International Version
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
King James Bible
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:14
New International Version
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
King James Bible
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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The Council at Jerusalem1Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. 2And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. 3But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised: 4And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: 5To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. 6But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: 7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospelof the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles 9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.Paul Confronts Peter11But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?15We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness comeby the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: 7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospelof the circumcision was unto Peter; 8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles 9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.Paul Confronts Peter11But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?15We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness comeby the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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NT doctrine? Isn't that about picking up your cross and following Messiah?
knowing this first: that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation. [h=3]2 Peter 1:20 (ASV) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.
[h=3]2 Peter 1:20 (AMP) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]20 [/SUP][Yet] first [you must] understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is [a matter] of any personal or private or special interpretation (loosening, solving).
[h=3]2 Peter 1:20 (CEB) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Most important, you must know that no prophecy of scripture represents the prophet’s own understanding of things,
[h=3]2 Peter 1:20 (CJB) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]First of all, understand this: no prophecy of Scripture is to be interpreted by an individual on his own;
knowing this first: that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation. [h=3]2 Peter 1:20 (ASV) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.
[h=3]2 Peter 1:20 (AMP) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]20 [/SUP][Yet] first [you must] understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is [a matter] of any personal or private or special interpretation (loosening, solving).
[h=3]2 Peter 1:20 (CEB) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Most important, you must know that no prophecy of scripture represents the prophet’s own understanding of things,
[h=3]2 Peter 1:20 (CJB) | In Context | Whole Chapter[/h]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]First of all, understand this: no prophecy of Scripture is to be interpreted by an individual on his own;
Yes, at the time of Balaam, eating food sacrificed to idols was against the law, so Balamm was enticing them
into law-breaking on two fronts.
Likewise, Jezebel was an OT figure who seduced Israel into the same two sins.
My personal interpretation of this prophetic riddle, which enjoys no more certainty than all the rest do,
but reconciles it to 1Co 8:1-8, 10, 10:25, is that
false teachers in Pergamum were promoting tolerance (as did Balaam) toward pagan practices,
and also (as did Jezebel) in Thyatira by a prominent woman likened to Jezebel.
into law-breaking on two fronts.
Likewise, Jezebel was an OT figure who seduced Israel into the same two sins.
My personal interpretation of this prophetic riddle, which enjoys no more certainty than all the rest do,
but reconciles it to 1Co 8:1-8, 10, 10:25, is that
false teachers in Pergamum were promoting tolerance (as did Balaam) toward pagan practices,
and also (as did Jezebel) in Thyatira by a prominent woman likened to Jezebel.
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