HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE NT]?

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Ohh eee, I used to be "good" at the one...

Thanks be to the Most High He has granted me repentance!

Psalm 40:16, "May all those who seek You rejoice and be glad in You! May those who love Your Salvation always say: May Yahweh be magnified!"
me too. my goodness, it really scared me to see how deceived I have been. I think we are all deceived in some way or other and any man says he has ALL the truth I will run like a scalded dawg. I wish I could convey to those who fear the truth that's there's nothing to fear when you fear the Almighty, just do that and then the truth sets you free, all those other fears melt away. We were led to believe we must be perfect or else ignore OT...what a bunch of hoooey! Nowhere does scripture say that! No, it says His yoke is easy, and with Him working in you it is possible. His ways and instructions are perfect and I love them. Not saying I am perfect, but the more I stay to His path the more I am at peace. Sabbath has got to be one of the best kept secrets of the universe, for people to want it abolished. Sabbath is a delight, and since this thread was started under a false premise, I guess there are no rules!..:)might as well post this here...

The Name! there is something so powerful to me. Now if anyone says I am digging on them, I am not. I am talking about me. this is my testimony, OK? It was that verse about calling on His Name. I wanted to know what that is. My daughter told me many months afterward that she could have told me that, she learned in college. But she also learned that Revelations probably does not belong in the Bible also!! That's what her professor said. I was heartbroken that she could be deceived that way, but bidded my time and did not try to force anything. I did ask her how could she could keep the Name to herself? I didn't understand. She said she figured it wasn't that important. That crushed me, but all I said was repeat her answer for her to hear how that sounded. I hoped it would make her think about the fact that she had said the Name of our Creator does not matter.

Soon afterward many things were revealed to me, by Him, it was like...ok so u care enough to ask My Name, I will give you this also. It was not a vision or a voice in my head, more like a thought,,but it was leading me bam bam bam just rapid discoveries of all the things I thought were true, but were lies. It was 3 nights of no sleep, I was so broken, so ashamed.

That was just before Christmas of '14. Gulp. but ya know what, I told Him I would not look back like Lot's wife, and He has helped me keep that promise! He is so faithful and true, how I wish more people would want to know Him better!
 

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me too. my goodness, it really scared me to see how deceived I have been. I think we are all deceived in some way or other and any man says he has ALL the truth I will run like a scalded dawg. I wish I could convey to those who fear the truth that's there's nothing to fear when you fear the Almighty, just do that and then the truth sets you free, all those other fears melt away. We were led to believe we must be perfect or else ignore OT...what a bunch of hoooey! Nowhere does scripture say that! No, it says His yoke is easy, and with Him working in you it is possible. His ways and instructions are perfect and I love them. Not saying I am perfect, but the more I stay to His path the more I am at peace. Sabbath has got to be one of the best kept secrets of the universe, for people to want it abolished. Sabbath is a delight, and since this thread was started under a false premise, I guess there are no rules!..:)might as well post this here...

The Name! there is something so powerful to me. Now if anyone says I am digging on them, I am not. I am talking about me. this is my testimony, OK? It was that verse about calling on His Name. I wanted to know what that is. My daughter told me many months afterward that she could have told me that, she learned in college. But she also learned that Revelations probably does not belong in the Bible also!! That's what her professor said. I was heartbroken that she could be deceived that way, but bidded my time and did not try to force anything. I did ask her how could she could keep the Name to herself? I didn't understand. She said she figured it wasn't that important. That crushed me, but all I said was repeat her answer for her to hear how that sounded. I hoped it would make her think about the fact that she had said the Name of our Creator does not matter.

Soon afterward many things were revealed to me, by Him, it was like...ok so u care enough to ask My Name, I will give you this also. It was not a vision or a voice in my head, more like a thought,,but it was leading me bam bam bam just rapid discoveries of all the things I thought were true, but were lies. It was 3 nights of no sleep, I was so broken, so ashamed.

That was just before Christmas of '14. Gulp. but ya know what, I told Him I would not look back like Lot's wife, and He has helped me keep that promise! He is so faithful and true, how I wish more people would want to know Him better!
Thank you for the testimony, very similar, and I had been told, "you know His name if Yahweh" I didnt care, but like 7 years later another person said it to me, and I looked into it, bam, within a few weeks I started to learn so much, and the beautiful part was all I and was the Scriptures and a concordance, I will tell you the first two weeks were tough, but thanks be to Yah He pulled me through it, I still have long way to go, but I do feel comfort and joy in Him!

Deuteronomy 32:3-4, "For I will proclaim Yahweh's great Name! Praise the greatness of Yahweh! He is The Rock. His works are perfect; Yahweh's ways are justice indeed! He is the Father of truth, and does no wrong. Upright and Just is He."
 
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Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE

Imagine when He comes back as the Defender so terrible to men their hearts will fail...don't sound like no 8lb baby that Church had me envisioning!!
 
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the last day's- time to pierce the veil. 2 Corinthians 3:14-17, But their minds were blinded. for until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the lord, the veil is taken away. now the Lord is Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty.
 

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Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE

Here is a great read from the word of the Lord and a great reminder also for us today :)

Psalm 99

6Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name; they called upon the LORD, and he answered them.

7He spake unto them in the cloudy pillar: they kept his testimonies, and the ordinance that he gave them.

8Thou answeredst them, O LORD our God: thou wast a God that forgavest them, though thou tookest vengeance of their inventions.

9Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

Re-read verse 8 again and ponder on what you have just read :) God is JUST and FAIR always.
 

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the last day's- time to pierce the veil. 2 Corinthians 3:14-17, But their minds were blinded. for until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the lord, the veil is taken away. now the Lord is Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty.
Yes, they still tried to maintain a physical priesthood, that is why the book of "Hebrews" was written, telling them they were just playing "priests" in the "temple" but rather Yahshua was the real High Priest in the heavens....

Unless you think believing "do not kill" being a right and just thing is "the veil"?
 
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Thanks for the perfect example of how trying to relate to Paul without understanding makes one think it's each to his own heart's desire.
What many of us here try to show to Legalists is that they misunderstand scripture and they they're following their own hearts desire, lusting after self righteousness by deeds of the law.
 
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Genesis (Bereshith) 50:20, "You intended harm against me, but Yahweh intended it for blessing, in order to accomplish this day the keeping alive of many people."
Hiz, again you use scripture without understanding. Those who seek to harm you are those whose false doctrine you follow.

But Christians here under grace are trying to hep the likes of you who oppose yourself by following legalistic doctrine.

2Tim 2:25
In meekness instructing those that OPPOSE themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
 

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Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means!How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.

14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.

22 For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man;

23 But I saw another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the Law in my mind, and bringing me into captivity of the law of sin, which is in my members.

25 Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.

Romans 8:2 Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
 
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So does Paul lead us to the Father or to Messiah?

and

Who leads us to the Father?
We are lead to Christ or GOD by THE WORD OF GOD that you have mocked by mocking Paul.

Read #2 here http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...eated-discussions-please-read.html#post117444

You have come against the inspiration [Divinely Inspired] and Authority [Paul who wrote most of the N.T.] of The New Covenant.

You foolishly call Paul in error to disprove the error of those you were debating with and instead of showing them where they were wrong -- you foolishly show them where Paul was wrong. That's an automatic back-fire if you wanted to get any to believe in the inerrancy of the Scriptures that state that we are judged by our works and are to keep His Word/His Commandments.

Instead of showing them what 'sin' is - you showed them that you believe Paul was off.

How did that help your argument in favor of the Law of Messiah?

It did nothing but show how far you'll go to prove yourself right by proving that Paul was wrong ... in your own mind.

You have thus said that ALL Scripture is not inspired [the inspiration of The Word] and lessened it's Authority rather than convince anyone of your ways whom you were debating with -- and Atwood was one that you were debating with and you sure as life haven't won anyone over to the full counsel of GOD by finding fault with one of His leading evangelists/Apostles.

Yes, you blew #2 on that small list of Essentials on page 1 and others of this thread.

You dare to post Paul now to cover your blasts on him?

One more time ...

Act 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Act 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Act 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said,
Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Act 19:17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the Name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
Act 19:18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.
Act 19:19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Act 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
Act 19:21 After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit, when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying,
After I have been there, I must also see Rome.
 
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I stand by everything I said, Paul was a sinful human, he was not perfect. The Messiah is the One Yahweh said we must shamah... Paul's writing have much knowledge in them, however they are twisted by many....

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

How is is that every person that says "no Law" quotes Paul for their "proof" yet Paul says:

I believe It is those that think Paul taught not to follow the Law of the Creator is what is causing the error...

1 Corinthians 7:19, "Is it not true that uncircumcision accounts for nothing, but the keeping of the Laws of Yahweh accounts for everything?"

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."

Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."

Galatians 3:13,(KJV) "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us, for it is written, Cursed is everyone who hangeth on a tree."

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

He abolished the hatred of the Law...

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the Law."


Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh. For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”
 
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Speaking of Atwood - he also misinterpreted Paul in a number of ways.

There is the lame belief that Paul was speaking in the present tense at the end of Romans 7 because they WANT TO make a sinner out of him.

They also say he was wrong to have Timothy circumcized - but even Mitspa had the correct answer for that on page one.

AND Paul was CALLED TO ROME but knew he had to go to Jerusalem first to get the Law for the Gentiles from James and Co in Jerusalem before heading out to the Gentiles in Rome.

Paul was called to Rome and was not in the slightest bit wrong to go to Jerusalem first - as Atwood calls him wrong.

Paul will always be a target of ridicule because he obviously was the most used and Satan always hated his guts and was behind men trying to find fault with him since his ministry became active.

To fault Paul is to fault Paul's Master - the One that Paul suffered for and served to the greatest degree in Christian History and had the largest most powerful ministry of them all.

No wonder Satan hated him and hates him onto this day and hates Paul's words and will do everything he can to find fault in Paul.

Lots of history behind Paul and those who have come against him and tried to find fault in him and anything that he wrote - since his beginning.

Until Messiah returns - Paul will have his critics - and critics always place themselves above the one they are criticizing.


Woe onto them when the day of Judgment arrives ... when they look Christ in the face and see the look they get.


Don't believe that?
 
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I stand by everything I said, Paul was a sinful human, he was not perfect. The Messiah is the One Yahweh said we must shamah... Paul's writing have much knowledge in them, however they are twisted by many....


His words and actions were also twisted by you - in case you have a short term memory problem.


The Messiah is the One Yahweh said we must shamah...


HOW DO YOU SHAMAH TO THE MESSIAH WITHOUT HIS WORD???

So which books of the New Covenant were written by Messiah?



I had ZERO contention with your beliefs until I saw what you wrote about Paul in this thread and you KNOW THAT.




Adding: YOU WILL NEVER PROVE TO ME THAT PAUL WAS "A SINFUL MAN"!!!


 
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One more time ...

Act 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Act 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Act 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said,
Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Act 19:17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the Name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
Act 19:18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.
Act 19:19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
Act 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
Act 19:21 After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit, when he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying,
After I have been there, I must also see Rome.
 
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The problem as always when it comes to the law when talked about in the NT covenant is that all the 613 written ordinances of the mosaic laws do not apply to us. What applies to us believers under the new covenant is Gods moral laws that He now rights in our heart, and the Holy Spirit guides us in to keep. Those laws consist of everything the Lord said in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and the 10 commandments. Those who do not believe the 10 commandments do not apply to us, want to refuse how Paul upheld those commandments in his epistles........
 

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The problem as always when it comes to the law when talked about in the NT covenant is that all the 613 written ordinances of the mosaic laws do not apply to us. What applies to us believers under the new covenant is Gods moral laws that He now rights in our heart, and the Holy Spirit guides us in to keep. Those laws consist of everything the Lord said in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and the 10 commandments. Those who do not believe the 10 commandments do not apply to us, want to refuse how Paul upheld those commandments in his epistles........
The majority of the 613 are moral, only the priestly and Sacrificial Laws were not "moral" and one could say food, but I personally dont want to eat stuff that has crazy disease in it... but show me a Scripture that say, only moral Laws stay?
Messiah said "unless heaven and earth pass."
For all these are moral:

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."

i just posted this in another thread as a breakdown:

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.

Now I am not claiming I do all this or do it perfectly, by this is what the Spirit tells me;

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31

"When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father."

So when I have abundance or "harvest" I should give some to the needy, maybe every time I go grocery shopping I should count a portion of that to give to the less fortunate...


"You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh."

When I read this I think, in no way shape or form should I lie, use depict, or anything of that nature, especially being a follower of Yahweh, I have to uphold a higher stand aka be a "light" to others.


"You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight."

Not defraud or rob, of course, even a atheist can understand that, but when I hear "Do not hold back the wages" that one, man the effects, what if I owe someone money and they are counting on it, and I do not pay them when I say... It could be devastating to them, for what if they had rent to pay and children, and because I didn't pay them on time they were going to lose their house, or couldn't feed their children and it led them to do something that caused further harm to their family and others... I would not want to be responsible for the, it could be a terrible domino effect... No I have always known since a child I should keep my word, however this, not pay a man on time having a terrible domino effect, I never thought of this until I read (in the Spirit) and prayed, it made me realize.... thank Yahweh I have come to know Him.


"Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh."

Wow now this one could be applied to so so many things, the foremost that come to mind are placing temptation in front of a fellow human, which I would never want to do, but also in any way doing something that could make them error in life, now I know the popular one is, Oh my you can't tell them that Scripture, thats too much, since when is a truth of Yah a stumblingblock? I can only speak for myself but I wish a had people clearly tell me the truth and not lie to me or coddle me, as I would have liked to and want to know as much truth as possible...


"Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly."

Now Yaaqob (James) explains this one amazingly well: Yaaqob (James) 2:1-4, "My brothers, do not hold the faith of our glorious King, Yahshua Messiah, with respect of persons. For suppose there comes into your congregation a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should come in also a poor man in filthy clothing; And if you pay special attention to the one wearing the fine clothes, and say to him: You sit here in the best place, while you say to the poor man: You stand here, or sit at my feet-- Have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?" .... and of course it could apply to so many things, people physical beauty, people social status, etc... But it also brings the thought to mind, if the "NT" writers are just repeating and explaing, of course better than I or most could, but if they are explaing "OT" principles, how am I in the Spirit if I read James, but in the flesh if I read Moses??? For they are saying the same things....

"You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people."

Pretty clear, but I think the Spirit of Yah made me think about my personal likes dislikes in this matter, for just because one is different or even if there is something that bothers me about them, I should not make up any falsehoods about them, even if they have wronged me, only what is true should be spoken, even when tempers flare...

"Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh."

Now there is the obvious here, but what about driving wreck-less with another in the car or possibly hurt a pedrestrinan? No should not do, howver, I would have never deeply thought otherwise. Also I think I should never promote anything that could lead to ones death be it physical of spiritual, say I have a vice, I am not married I do at times lust, I would never want to invite a woman to partake in that with me unless she was my wife, for I would be leading her to sin also.... and one last thing, I would never want to in any way cause another dath, so even little things that I may not think of right now, anything of this nature is a no no. and if I never read, of course I would know not to put people in danger, but this way Yah has a base to bring to my remembrance in the time of need.


"You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. "

Pretty straight forward, but when I read this I thought, I should pray for Him to remove anything deep rooted, so I may not hate.


"Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."

This of course, why would I want another to go astray, and same for me, if I am in error I want someone to tell me, so I think this is very well. I think this is best looked at from an outside perspective, because a lot of people don;t like to be corrected... If one had a child that was doing something that was going to hurt them would not their parent speak up clearly so the child does not get hurt? But now days it seems like correction is hated and called judgmental...

"Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Now the carnal mind look at this and starts making excuses about who is his neighbor or not, but the Spiritual mind know every human is his neighbor.... think about it, even people who are vile and have been misled by the adversary, im not saying give them a free pass, but know, the adversary has tricked and trapped them, the word can be a unforgiving place and some people have gone through terrible things, so I should hold no grudge and not have any hate toward any human, sometimes this is hard when looking at especially evil people but again, the adversary has blinded many...


"I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness."

Obvious, but I go farther, I do not have a daughter, but if I did not only would I teach her correctly, but I would not let her wear revealing clothes, there days, it is the norm, hence "the land will fall into harlotry".. this also made me think I should never give a woman attention/reward for being "provocative" now the same would go for if I had a son, and ,my own actions, do not promote this kind of thing.... so many angles... now I know, Im probably being called of so "in the fleah" but think abou it, id it ok to let a daughter listen to the music these days and dance the way they do, I can hear it noe "there just kids, let em have fun" .... "or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness" and you know why "become full of wickedness" because men "follow" women and it creates a snowball if sin...

"Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh."

I have seen may on here tell me magic is ok, it is not. there are Christians who read their horoscope or talk to their dead uncle... He says clearly "do not" I need no more reason, I will not.


"You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh."

This one I like a true elder or true teacher, I knew one about four years ago, I only got to study with him a handful of times, but I cherished it, I stayed quiet during study and would even ask him If I could add something when I thought a had some thing beneficial. I will say this, it may e a reason for one to talk down on me, but I remember when I showed him something in Scripture he did not know, I took great joy because he had showed me a number of things, and it felt well to return the favor.

"If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh."

No racism, no prejudice, no treat one different because they look or at different, no excuse.

"Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure."

truth and honesty in every, that is every situation... no way should I ever deal dishonestly, not even "cutting corners: example: "well you know hes rich so he wont miss that money" no that's his money, there is no excuse to work dishonestly, ever, period.


"I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."

For He is my Father that has brought me out of sin, I love Him and want to obey Him!

If one thinks there is something wrong with that then I think the problem is with them. and of course the Sprit softens our heart, how do you think I started to love His instructions and realize if everyone read and sought to follow them trough His guidance HOW MUCH BETTER WOULD THE WORLD BE?

Romans 2:, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?


but I know not all love His instructions.. but would rather justify what ever they fell is right, now im not putting that on everyone or anyone, but that is a teaching that has crept in, "its only a sin if your heart condemns you" that is disgusting "doctrine" for there are sociopaths.... "conscience seared with a hot iron"

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

John 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.
 
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kennethcadwell

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The majority of the 613 are moral, only the priestly and Sacrificial Laws were not "moral" and one could say food, but I personally dont want to eat stuff that has crazy disease in it... but show me a Scripture that say, only moral Laws stay?
Messiah said "unless heaven and earth pass."
For all these are moral:

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."

i just posted this in another thread as a breakdown:

There has been a number of changes from the mosaic covenant laws to the new covenant. All one has to do is actual read all the books of the new testament, and you will see the ones that were adapted, ones changed, and others that were done away with. The written ordinances of the mosaic laws were blotted out, and so was the ordinances that came with the 10 commandments.
In other words if you break one of the 10 commandments, you no longer are put to death as the mosaic law says to do. Now if you continue to constantly break those commandments you will face judgment. Plus we are not held to the cleansing rituals, food ordinances, and some of the other ordinances. The Holy Spirit guides us in his commands, and if something falls under those commandments then the Holy Spirit will guide us that way. We are not bound to that written down form of ordinances. We are bound to His morals that the Holy Spirit guides us in, which was based in all His commandments..............
 
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Re: HIZIKYAH'S TOPIC: DID PAUL SIN [DESPITE BEING T DESIGNATED HUMAN EXAMPLE IN THE

Again - I don't disagree with what you posted here Hiz, but this one ""You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people."


How about what you've said about Paul on this thread .... despite what his Messiah said about him?


What about stoning people? Paul was also a prophet ... and what's the penalty for coming against His Annoited?

Should we get out the stones because we have a few on here that need to be stoned then ... and some post as if they are stoned.
 

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The problem as always when it comes to the law when talked about in the NT covenant is that all the 613 written ordinances of the mosaic laws do not apply to us. What applies to us believers under the new covenant is Gods moral laws that He now rights in our heart, and the Holy Spirit guides us in to keep. Those laws consist of everything the Lord said in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and the 10 commandments. Those who do not believe the 10 commandments do not apply to us, want to refuse how Paul upheld those commandments in his epistles........
Paul definitely did:

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
 
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Paul definitely did:

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

Paul was not a "sinful human" ... my ONLY point on this thread!

You don't convince people that you believe are sinning by making one of Messiah's main man "a sinful human".

And the tears I shed when I first saw the title of this thread was because I thought they were picking on you -- for which I was called a drama-queen by someone that I held dear as well.

But when I saw that you had joined the crowd in blasting GOD's Annoited - Paul - that was when the tears dried and I got into the defensive --- whereas - Kenneth can testify that I posted with & gave you guys more likes than almost anyone here.

If people don't understand Romans 6,7 & 8 then they don't understand Paul.