Dietary Law?

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Dietary Law: Yes or No?

  • Yes, Law is still in place

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No, I can eat what I want

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .
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Seems you forgot verse 19 and 28, the Spirit spoke in 19....

Acts10:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.” [SUP]14 [/SUP]“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. [SUP]18 [/SUP]They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision

He did not yet understand the meaning how could you or I know the meaning by verse 17?, the holy Spirit did not yet reveal it:


[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision

[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three men are looking for you.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Peter went down and said to the men, “I’m the one you’re looking for. Why have you come?”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.”
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests.
The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along. [SUP]
24 [/SUP]The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. [SUP]
25 [/SUP]As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”

verse 19:"the Spirit said to him, “Simon, threemen"

Remember?


[SUP]17 [/SUP]While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three[SUP][a][/SUP] men are looking for you.


19 Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you.
If he did not yet know the meaning how could we?

20 Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.


Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."


So you tell me:



yet the Spirit said in verse 19:"the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three menare looking for you. '

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."


The Spirit spoke, it was about, "three men" ... "but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."


But you tell me:

OK...
Here's what I've been observing, proving I am writing facts about false teaching for the benefit of anyone who might be deceived by the intents of such posts as that. I have no problem identifying false cults like JW, SDA, and others that promote Judaism as required for Christians. All of that is of Satan.

Peter was given a vision in which God told Peter to kill and eat all manner of animals. Of course that was perplexing to the Jew. How could God call anything unclean to be clean. God used the dietary law as an example, which had been abolished upon Jesus' death on the cross, to teach further that Gentiles were no longer unclean before God. It took that vision and meeting Cornelius to put it all together.

You wrote "Peter waited" before deciding on the meaning of the vision. He was totally confused by it, but obeyed the instructions. There was no hint of "waiting", but he went as soon as the law would allow him to travel (sunrise). It took the Gentile's testimony to open Peter's eyes to the huge changes God had wrought in Christ.
 

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Here's what I've been observing, proving I am writing facts about false teaching for the benefit of anyone who might be deceived by the intents of such posts as that. I have no problem identifying false cults like JW, SDA, and others that promote Judaism as required for Christians. All of that is of Satan.

Peter was given a vision in which God told Peter to kill and eat all manner of animals. Of course that was perplexing to the Jew. How could God call anything unclean to be clean. God used the dietary law as an example, which had been abolished upon Jesus' death on the cross, to teach further that Gentiles were no longer unclean before God. It took that vision and meeting Cornelius to put it all together.

You wrote "Peter waited" before deciding on the meaning of the vision. He was totally confused by it, but obeyed the instructions. There was no hint of "waiting", but he went as soon as the law would allow him to travel (sunrise). It took the Gentile's testimony to open Peter's eyes to the huge changes God had wrought in Christ.
No human should become a part of ANY denomination IMO....

Phillipians 3:20, "But our citizenship is in heaven, out from which we also eagerly wait for our Ruler, Yahshua Messiah the King."

Ezekiyl 48:35, "The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be: YAHWEH SHAMMAH! (Yahweh Is There)"

Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away."

Hebrews 13:14
"For here we have no continuing city, but we seek one to come."

You assessment completely ignores everything we have been talking about concerning the meaning of the vision.... For yesterday you told me I was preaching "devil doctrine" or whatever you said, and then today you seem to ahve realized it was not about food? So you distract? IDK? Whatever.

Acts 10:

19 Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you.

20 Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.


28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."
 
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Elin said:
But refraining from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood were temporary restrictions on the Gentile Christians in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia (not on all people of all lands) for the sake of fellowship with the new Jewish Christians, who were repulsed by such practices.

We find those restrictions lifted in 1Co 8:8, 10:15, where meat sacrificed to idols would not necessarily have been properly drained of blood.
Seems the rules change every whipstitch. How many times have they changed in your lifetime and more importantly, how do you keep up with it?

What was OK yesterday may be wrong today and what was wrong 10 minutes ago may be fine and dandy right now.
Kinda' glad I don't have your perspective.

For me there is simply the old order and the new order (Heb 9:10), and understanding the Scriptures to know which is which.
 
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Elin said:
But refraining from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood were temporary restrictions on the Gentile Christians in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia, not on all people of all lands, for the sake of fellowship with the new Jewish Christians, who were repulsed by such practices.

We find those restrictions lifted in 1Co 8:8, 10:15, where meat sacrificed to idols would not necessarily have been properly drained of blood.
WOW, so if you mighty one changes... NVM...

Malakyah (Malachi) 3:6, "For I am Yahweh, I change not..."

Agreed.

But God's plan from before the foundation of the world involved changes.

Not the same thing.
 
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No human should become a part of ANY denomination IMO....

Phillipians 3:20, "But our citizenship is in heaven, out from which we also eagerly wait for our Ruler, Yahshua Messiah the King."

Ezekiyl 48:35, "The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be: YAHWEH SHAMMAH! (Yahweh Is There)"

Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away."

Hebrews 13:14
"For here we have no continuing city, but we seek one to come."
We're not communicating at all. None of that makes a bit of sense as a reply to my #361. This will have to be my last attempt to help you. Enough has already been presented in this thread to prove beyond any doubt the Jewish dietary law is abolished even for Jews as far as God is concerned. He also has rejected all their sacrifices, ordinances, and the Jews themselves per very harsh judgment from the prophets. They departed from God like God told Moses they would do.

You assessment completely ignores everything we have been talking about concerning the meaning of the vision.... For yesterday you told me I was preaching "devil doctrine" or whatever you said, and then today you seem to ahve realized it was not about food? So you distract? IDK? Whatever.

Acts 10:

19 Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you.

20 Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.


28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."
Not at all. Please actually read the last few posts. The subject of the vision was entirely about eating food prohibited by the Law. There wasn't a hint about men in it. That was a message to Peter that the Law was abolished at the cross 7 years back. When Peter made contact with the escort, then the household of Cornelius, where he found many waiting for his arrival, he then caught on to the expanded revelation that not only were prohibited foods that were unclean to Jews, but were declared by God to be clean,( so rise, kill, and eat), but also Gentiles were declared clean. He found Cornelius already accepted of God before preaching there. Before Peter got to point 2 or 3 in his sermon the Spirit fell on them.

Actually, during that period of wondering about the vision, Peter was being ministered to by the Spirit, for by the time he arrived there he was already convinced he should not call any man unclean as defined in the Law. Peter immediately doubted the meaning of the vision, being perplexed. Then he began thinking on it, then the escort came to him. The Spirit said to doubt nothing, just go with them. That wasn't in the vision.

Upon entering the house Peter reminded them, as any Gentile in Caesarea would know, the Law forbade the Jew to be there, but God had already taught him not to call any man common or unclean. Again, nothing about men was in the vision. The vision was about clean and unclean food. After listening to Cornelius, Peter then realized another truth. Acts 10:34-35 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[SUP]35 [/SUP] But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

That household, including a crowd of kinsmen and neighbors, was saved in Chirst that day.

Later, in Acts 15 Peter, Paul, James, and the others met and agreed not to require the Law to apply to Gentiles, as was demanded by the Jews (Pharisees) saying this...
Acts 15:5 (KJV) [SUP]5 [/SUP] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.


Once again, the Word of God, the Bible, by approval of the apostles of Christ, meeting at Jerusalem chose only four commandments necessary for the Jew's sake, to apply to Gentiles.

That ended the dietary law, and everything else of Moses that was inaugurated (ratified) in the blood of animals. A whole new Priesthood was for Christians, Jesus being not a Levite, but the heavenly High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, not of Moses or Aaron. The new priesthood established new law, replacing the old. The old waxed old and no longer existing for it's original purpose. The old was abolished. All the figures, types, shadows of the old law have been manifested in Christ. He has issued new commandments, some old moral codes reinstated that are good for all people of all lands.

Hebrews 6 explains much of this. The dietary law made a person not obeying it to be unclean. But now...Hebrews 10:22 (KJV) [SUP]22 [/SUP] Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

The dietary law required sacrifice for forgiveness of those breaking it. Hebrews 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Under the dietary law one lost sanctification through disobeying it, the reason for sacrifices to restore "cleanness". We have a new covenant in Christ, nothing requiring a single sacrifice to get "cleanness" back, our sanctification being entirely from Jesus, not by performing any old law. That extends to the Jewish Sabbaths, feasts, all of it. We appreciate all that becasue it foreshadowed the better covenant to come. It came.

We agree the law is holy and good. But in Christ, the laws of Jesus Christ are better.
 

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All I know is that It is not kosher to put cheese and meat together. And man do I love cheese burgers.
That isn't a Biblical instruction. Just a man-made tradition.
 
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as for me and my house,

well, we eat no dog, no hog, no cat, no owl, no buzzard, no camel, no crane, no hyena, no lion, no tiger,
no monkies, no lizzards, no horses,,,, our Father has said not to eat certain things, and my wife and I
think that He knows what He's talking about, so we choose to listen as we think that He truly does know
what's best and profitable for all His creations.

the most convincing factor for us about the food that we eat is how healthy we are now as opposed
to how un-healthy we were way back when, when we ate what ever we pleased with no thought
about the Biblical instructions or of what our bodies needed or the consequences of random
indulgences.

old-life vs. new-life, so many surprizes, so many new avenues to explore, so many new choices -
Spiritual vs. the carnal.....oh what a journey my brethren.......:)
 
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I waited for someone else to bring this up, but it didn't happen. The "clean" and "unclean" of Deuteronomy concerned only what was suitable for the altar in the tabernacle (ceremonially clean), certain (ceremonially clean) animals were fit to keep to eat and sacrifice, while some wild animals (i.e. deer and antelope) were allowed for hunters to take, but not use for (unclean) sacrifice.

The dietary law was given in the wilderness, 40 years before crossing the Jordan into the promised land, all but two men hearing those dying in that wilderness. But Moses preached a big exception for after they crossed the Jordan. The tribes would scatter as lands were conquered, all moving far from the tabernacle, God's approved place for worship and sacrifice.

For any living too far away to take part in exactly perfect sacrifice at that designated spot on earth, the people could kill and eat any flesh they desired for feeding themselves. This proves "unclean" meat was not based on health, and the whole issue was related only to proper sacrifices. Clean or unclean, the blood was forbidden. If in fact killing and eating an "unclean" animal, then one was ceremonially unclean for some hours, contaminating a "clean" animal that then could not be used for sacrifice. That was the provision for the people to be able to eat while settling new lands, building up herds of clean animals, while there was provision of "unclean" animals also saved on Noah's ark. That was to continue until all the tribes livied in safety from enemies, when the Lord would appoint places for sacrifice within reach of all.

Remember there were no synagogues until a century before Jesus was born, there being the tent tabernacle of Moses until Solomon built a permanent temple at Jerusalem.

If you are a practicing Jew, then you can only follow Moses as far as your rabbis/scholars can interpret in the absence of animal sacrifices on the altar. No Jew can today accurately declare they keep the law. They keep traditions and feasts.

If you are a Gentile (non-Jew), whether Christian, Buddhist, atheist, or other, you are not commanded by God to follow Moses. The law was for the Jews. When they rebelled against God and were therefore evicted by God from the promised land, much of their law became abolished immediately with the loss of the temple at Jerusalem and their synagogues, which Moses didn't preach should exist anyway. The rest of their law was abolished at the cross of Christ. Jesus' law took over, as taught mostly by the apostles, per Jesus' sermons about the Kingdom of Heaven. The Jews and Muslims deny Jesus did that. No Christian should deny any claims in the New Testament, none of which depend upon the old law.

Deuteronomy 12:10-24 (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP] But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that is within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Take heed to thyself that thou offer not thy burnt offerings in every place that thou seest:
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But in the place which the LORD shall choose in
one of thy tribes, there thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, and there thou shalt do all that I command thee.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates,
whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] When the LORD thy God shall enlarge thy border, as he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, because thy soul longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Even as the roebuck and the hart is eaten, so thou shalt eat them: the unclean and the clean shall eat of them alike.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Thou shalt not eat it; thou shalt pour it upon the earth as water.

Verse 22 makes it clear that as the always "clean" deer and antelope were allowed as long as they were no part of a sacrifice, so shall you eat whatever you want if there is no close-by place God has appointed for animal sacrifice.
The blood is the only part of any animal that the apostles specified as being off limits to Gentile believers (Christians). They were not even allowed to enter the temple to make a sacrifice anyway, so had no reason to practice ceremonial cleanness.

Any Gentile just touching the outer wall of the tabernacle would be killed. But in Jesus' day Herod's Temple afforded the Court of the Gentiles within the outer wall, quite a change! There were warning signs for them reading "
NO FOREIGNER
IS TO GO BEYOND THE BALUSTRADE
AND THE PLAZA OF THE TEMPLE ZONE
WHOEVER IS CAUGHT DOING SO
WILL HAVE HIMSELF TO BLAME
FOR HIS DEATH
WHICH WILL FOLLOW"

They could worship there, but not take part in the Jew's religion inside. It has never been expected of the world of Gentiles to take part in Judaism, unless taken in by a Jewish family as guest, slave/bondsman, or they convert.

No flesh commonly taken by hunters or herdsmen. etc. is declared unhealthy by God. "Kosher" is not a matter of health as far as scriptures are concerned, having only to do with ritual purity.
 

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Not at all. Please actually read the last few posts. The subject of the vision was entirely about eating food prohibited by the Law. There wasn't a hint about men in it.
No hint?

Acts 10

19 Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you.

20 Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.


28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."
 

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The VA gave me a six page list of Dietary Laws..................but what do they know?

My view is fairly simple.............whatever I eat, I give thanks to God for...........what I don't eat is because I don't like it...........
 
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The VA gave me a six page list of Dietary Laws..................but what do they know?

My view is fairly simple.............whatever I eat, I give thanks to God for...........what I don't eat is because I don't like it...........
Reminds me of what my Pastor said once, when he was put on a diet for his heart.

He said it was a very simple diet where you could have anything you wanted.

Just put it in your mouth, and if it tasted good, spit it out.
 
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No hint?

Acts 10

19 Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you.

20 Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.


28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."
I see you say you "agree" sometimes, but it can't be. I've asked you before to explain why God used a vision of unclean animals, commanding Peter to kill and eat, to teach him no man is unclean, while the law defines people as unclean for many causes concerning ritual cleanness. How can God use a prohibition to stand for something holy? Can God use an unlawful thing to teach righteousness? Can God tell a lie to teach a godly principle? No to all of that. He had already abolished the dietary law at Jesus' cross.

Once again you've ignored scriptural proofs delivered in ample context, as I did this morning. I understand why Judaizers do that. It's nothing personal. We can't agree. I take the New Testament scriptures above the old law.
 

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I see you say you "agree" sometimes, but it can't be. I've asked you before to explain why God used a vision of unclean animals, commanding Peter to kill and eat, to teach him no man is unclean, while the law defines people as unclean for many causes concerning ritual cleanness. How can God use a prohibition to stand for something holy? Can God use an unlawful thing to teach righteousness? Can God tell a lie to teach a godly principle? No to all of that. He had already abolished the dietary law at Jesus' cross.

Once again you've ignored scriptural proofs delivered in ample context, as I did this morning. I understand why Judaizers do that. It's nothing personal. We can't agree. I take the New Testament scriptures above the old law.
I have explained

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you say "how? yet It is written

Acts 10

19 Now while Kepha was thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him; Behold, three men seek you.

20 Arise therefore, and go below and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them.


28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

It was about not being what we would call today "racist" the pharisees had racists "laws"
 
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Once the Temple was destroyed in 70AD there remained no use for clean animals for sacrifice, Jesus having already been accepted as the once and for ever sacrifice. There is no indication about unclean animals being unhealthy in scriptures. It's all over for the dietary law. Abolished. Never to return.
 

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Once the Temple was destroyed in 70AD there remained no use for clean animals for sacrifice, Jesus having already been accepted as the once and for ever sacrifice. There is no indication about unclean animals being unhealthy in scriptures. It's all over for the dietary law. Abolished. Never to return.
2nd Opinions 2:2?

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."
Strong's Concordance
3331 - metathesis
metathesis: a change, removal
Original Word: μετάθεσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metathesis
Phonetic Spelling: (met-ath'-es-is)
Short Definition:change, transformation, removal

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

"My covenant will stand fast with Him" (3331 - metathesis transformation)

"My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie" (3331 - metathesis transformation)

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
 

Hizikyah

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What is love?

Did the creator tell us not to eat this


because He loves us and does not want us to get sick?

Are There Deadly Superbugs in Your Pork?

The Unsavory Side of Pork

The pork and swine industry has been continually plagued, and continues to be so to this day, by a wide variety of hazardous and deadly infections and diseases, including:

PRRS -- A horrendous disease, which I first reported on in 2001, but which had been a nightmare for many nations since the mid-1980s, is still alive and kicking today.

At one point referred to as "swine mystery disease," "blue abortion," and "swine infertility," the disease was finally named "Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome” (PRRS), and may afflict about 75 percent of American pig herds.

The PRRS virus primarily attacks the pig’s immune system, leaving its body open to a host of infections, particularly in the lungs. Initial research revealed that the virus was transmitted via semen, saliva and blood, leaving pigs herded closely together and transported in close quarters by trucks more susceptible to infection.

However, according to new research presented at the 2007 International PRRS Symposium shows that the disease is now airborne, making eradication efforts very difficult. According to the PRRS Coordinated Agricultural Project (CAP) and the National Pork Board, it is still the most economically significant disease of swine in the U.S.

The Nipah Virus – Discovered in 1999, the Nipah virus has caused disease in both animals and humans, through contact with infected animals. In humans, the virus can lead to deadly encephalitis (an acute inflammation of your brain). I originally reported on this virus in 2000, but according to CDC data, the Nipah virus reemerged again in 2004.

Hepatitis E (HEV) – According to the Mayo Clinic and an article in the Journal of Clinical Biology, pork may be the reservoir responsible for sporadic, locally acquired cases of acute hepatitis reported in regions with relatively mild climates as HEV has been found to transmit between swine and humans.

Porcine Endogenous Retrovirus (PERV) – According to a study in the journal Lancet, this virus can spread to people receiving pig organ transplants, and according to test tube studies, PERV strains does have the ability to infect human cells. PERV genes are scattered throughout pigs' genetic material, and researchers have found that pig heart, spleen and kidney cells release various strains of the virus.

Menangle Virus – In 1998, the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases reported that a new virus infecting pigs was able to jump to humans. The menangle virus was discovered in August 1997 when sows at an Australian piggery began giving birth to deformed and mummified piglets.


Trichinosis
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine, 3rd ed. | 2006 | Carson-DeWitt, Rosalyn | Copyright
Definition:Trichinosis is a disease caused by a roundworm (nematode) called Trichinella spiralis. An individual worm of this species is called a trichina, from the Greek word meaning "hairlike." Trichinae can be readily avoided by proper handling and cooking of certain meats, particularly pork products.
Description

The life cycle of T. spiralis includes several different stages. The adult trichina lives in the intestinal lining of such meat-eating animals as swine, bears, walrus, and rodents. After mating, the male worm dies while the female goes on to produce the offspring.

Roundworms have a stage of development called the embryonic stage, which in many species occurs after birth. In trichinae, however, this embryonic stage occurs within the uterus of the female, so the offspring that are ultimately discharged into the host's intestinal lining are in the larval second stage of life. These larvae—about 1500 from each female worm—travel through the circulatory system to the heart, then through the blood vessels leading to striated muscle (the muscle of the skeletal system and the heart). Most larvae that cannot find suitable locations in striated muscle will die.

Those larvae that reach striated muscle will grow to a length of about one millimeter, coil themselves, and enclose themselves within a protective wall called a cyst. This process is referred to as encysting. The worms in the cysts can live for up to ten years in this form.

A pig that has been infected with T. spiralis, then, has thousands of cysts lying dormant within its muscles—the very muscles that humans look forward to consuming in the form of pork chops, ham, barbecued ribs, etc. When humans sit down to a delicious meal of undercooked, trichina-infected pig dinner, they are ingesting T. spiralis cysts. The cyst walls are broken down by the usual process of food digestion in the stomach, allowing the larvae to escape into the new host's intestines. There the larvae mature to become adult worms, capable of producing a new crop of larvae. When these new larvae hatch, they begin their migration throughout the human host's bloodstream to his or her muscles, where they live for a short while before encysting.
Causes and symptoms

Human hosts who eat meat infested with trichinae may experience symptoms in varying degrees. If the meat ingested has only a few cysts, then the human host's load of parasites (worm burden) is said to be relatively small, and symptoms will be moderate. In fact, many trichinosis infections are subclinical, which means that the symptoms are so mild that the infection remains undiagnosed. In a host with a greater worm burden, the initial symptoms will be caused by the presence of the adult worms in the intestine. These symptoms usually include fever, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and perhaps vomiting. The symptoms begin about one to two days after eating the contaminated meat, and may last for a week or so.

When the larvae begin their migration through the blood vessels, the host will begin to experience symptoms that affect the whole body (systemic symptoms), such as fever; swelling of the face and the area around the eyes; rash; bleeding into the nail beds, retina, and whites of the eyes; and cough. In very severe cases of trichinosis, inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis ), lungs (pneumonitis), or brain (encephalitis) may occur. These symptoms can lead to the few deaths caused by trichinosis.

The larvae begin to burrow into the host's muscles and form cysts within two to three weeks of the initial infection. This encysting produces signs of muscle inflammation (myositis) including swelling of the affected muscle groups, pain, and weakness. The most frequently affected muscles are the muscles outside the eye (extraocular muscles) that control eye movements; the muscles of the jaw, neck, and upper arm (biceps muscle); the muscles of the lower back (lumbar region); and the diaphragm, which is the muscle that separates the abdominal and chest cavities and aids in breathing.

The symptoms of trichinosis are at their most severe at about three weeks after infection, and decrease very slowly in their severity. Recovery is extremely gradual, and symptoms may last for as long as three months. Fatigue and muscle pain (myalgia) may take several more months to subside.
Diagnosis

An initial diagnosis of trichinosis relies heavily on the presence of its classic symptoms—swelling around the eyes, muscle inflammation, fever, and high levels of a certain type of white blood cell (eosinophils)—coupled with the patient's history. If the patient reports having eaten undercooked meat from an animal known to be a potential carrier of trichinosis, the doctor may order a muscle biopsy to confirm the diagnosis. By the third or fourth week of infection, muscle biopsies usually indicate the presence of larvae. Stool tests rarely reveal adult worms, although larvae can sometimes be found in blood or duodenal washings after the second week of infection. The blood test that is the most specific for trichinosis is the bentonite flocculation (BF) test.

T. spiralis can infect a number of different animal species used for food. The most common food culprit in the United States has been pork sausage, while outbreaks in Europe have caused by wild boar and horse meat. Outbreaks of trichinosis in Asia and Africa have been traced to dog meat, and outbreaks in Northern Canada have resulted from consumption of walrus and bear meat.
Treatment
Supportive care

Treatment of trichinosis is primarily aimed at decreasing the severity of the symptoms. Symptomatic relief includes bed rest and medications to relieve fever and muscle pain. The medications most commonly given are aspirin and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). Steroids such as prednisone (Deltasone, Meticorten) are reserved for the most severe cases of muscle inflammation, or for complicated cases that include myocarditis.
Anthelminthic medications

In addition to medications for pain relief, trichinosis can be treated with drugs that are called anti-worm medications or anthelminthics. Two related anti-worm medications, mebendazole (Vermox) and thiabendazole (Mintezol), have been reported to be effective against intestinal larvae, but not against larvae encysted in the muscles. In particular, thiabendazole has worked best when given to patients who knew within 24 hours that they had eaten infested meat. Thiabendazole has, however, anti-inflammatory properties that can relieve some of the pain during the muscle stage of trichinosis.
Prognosis

The prognosis for recovery from trichinosis is generally good. Most people with the disease are unaware that they have even been infected. It is estimated that between 150,000 and 300,00 people in the United States become infected yearly, so that at any given time, 1.5 million people have T. spiralis infections. Most of these people have such light cases that trichinosis is never identified. Worm burden is measured in larvae per gram of muscle tissue; people with 10 or fewer larvae per gram of muscle tissue usually have no significant symptoms. When the number climbs to 100 larvae per gram of muscle tissue, the symptoms become noticeable. People with over 1000 larvae per gram of muscle tissue are usually extremely ill, and often die. The mortality rate of trichinosis is about 1%.
Prevention

Prevention of trichinosis is relatively simple. Swine should be fed only grain or cooked garbage because uncooked garbage may contain contaminated pork scraps. Meat from animals prone to trichinosis infection should be cooked or smoked thoroughly until it is no longer pink. Freezing meat at an adequately low temperature (5°F/-15°C for three weeks) can kill most encysted larvae, except for species which infect such arctic mammals as walrus or bear.
Resources
ORGANIZATIONS

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 1600 Clifton Rd., NE, Atlanta, GA 30333. (800) 311-3435, (404) 639-3311. 〈http://www.cdc.gov〉.
KEY TERMS

Anthelminthic— A type of medication that is given to destroy or eliminate parasitic worms.

Cyst— In the life cycle of the round worm, a protective, walled-off capsule in which the larvae lie dormant.

Embryonic— In the life cycle of the round worm, a very early life stage occurring within the uterus of the female round worm.

Host— The animal within which a parasite lives, and from which the parasite receives its nutrition.

Inflammation— A reaction within the body to an invader (virus, bacteria, fungus, worm, etc.) or to tissue injury. The classic signs of inflammation include redness, heat, pain, and loss of function.

Larva— In the life cycle of the round worm, the second stage of life, sometimes considered the "adolescent" stage.

Nematode— A type of roundworm with a long, unsegmented body, usually parasitic on animals or plants.

Striated muscle— Also known as striped muscle; it includes muscles of the skeletal system and of the heart.

Trichina— An individual example of Trichinella spiralis.
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Im not saying ham has been "cured" but the BIG problem IMMO here is not the cured ham but rather the, "following the one in the center." For the book is there, but many sit and consume from the one in the center, rather than doing their own study.

Isayah 66:17, "They who sanctify themselves*, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the "priest in the midst" of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh."

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the King James version. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that *I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

So much for obedience to what He says being evil huh?
 

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1 .) After these things the LORD appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
2 .) Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
3 .) Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
4 .) Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
5 .) And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
6 .) And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
7 .) And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.
8 .) And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:


1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthinas 10:26) For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
27 .) If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
28 .) But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
29 .) Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
30 .) For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
31 .) Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
32 .) Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
33 .) Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved

 

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Paul said this;

"after the way which they call heresy"

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."
 

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Any of my Brothers or Sisters who believe they must keep all the Dietary Laws............ok with me, but be sure you keep ALL THE LAWS, not just the ones concerning what you do or do not eat..............k?

And you may want to give some serious thought as to whose house you visit, especially if there is a chance they will be serving food..............just saying

:)