What is the abomination?

[sveinen]

"it's when we don't love."
"who knows how late it is."
"it's like i was born dead to tell you not to kill your unborn."
("I report:
seems it's "the antichrist." seems it's "fourth beast from ezekiel, at trampling in 1996."
"kinda worldly."
"you sorta don't live to tell."
absolute horror. pain, misery. no life.
"seems we achieved it. christ can't be blamed."
lawless guy "wore initials B.S. ..that seems to be "king of the locusts." "they are plentiful middle norway."
it's "male parent, J."jabba" S. might say it's JHS."
"beach."
"joker-style."
"the devastation was astonishing.")
DO NOT LOOK AT IT.
LOVE.
LOVE.
LOVE.

(horns A.H. and H.H.)
May There Be Love

 

[sveinen]

But, we know when the abomination of desolation is placed in the temple there will be times, time, and half a time, until the return to Christ. Where is He? When He returns the apostles were to reign, where are they?

"one version goes there's some angel with a big book these days. "second uptaking possibly lenghtened due to "other flock." :*

 

[john832]

If what things have already taken place? The abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel has been fulfilled and the destruction of the temple have been fulfilled, as Jesus also confirmed would happen, and as history also proves. But not all the prophecy Jesus gave concerning "the end of the world" has been fulfilled yet, that's obvious.

You making this timeline up as you go?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

But, we know when the abomination of desolation is placed in the temple there will be times, time, and half a time, until the return to Christ. Where is He? When He returns the apostles were to reign, where are they?

The period of time, times, and a half is not complete yet. Read my thread about the 42 months, 1260 days, and times time and a half all being symbolic of the same time.

 

[john832]

The period of time, times, and a half is not complete yet. Read my thread about the 42 months, 1260 days, and times time and a half all being symbolic of the same time.

When did it begin?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Christ is going to bring down all the kingdoms of the world, but your timing is off concerning the kingdoms shown to Daniel. Rev 12 proves your timing is wrong with the 4th and final beast, 7 heads 10 horns.

Revelation 12:3-4[SUP]3 [/SUP]And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The beast was already in place ready to devour the child as soon as it was born. (hello) lol



Also Daniel was given the explanation in chapter 8 who would come after Babylonian empire, so why come up with your own version? But whatever. Good night.

No your timing is the one that is off, because in all cases, the statue in Daniel 2, and the 4th beast in Daniel 7 both show that it is the Lord who comes back and destroy's it. And the 4th beast has not existed since 70 AD, as Roman empire was destroyed and is finally now in this time and day reforming within the European union.

Daniel 2:33-34

33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. 34 You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them.

Daniel 7:7

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7:11

"I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched tell the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.


This is a cross reference to Revelation 19;

Revelation 19:20

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[john832]

No your timing is the one that is off, because in all cases, the statue in Daniel 2, and the 4th beast in Daniel 7 both show that it is the Lord who comes back and destroy's it. And the 4th beast has not existed since 70 AD, as Roman empire was destroyed and is finally now in this time and day reforming within the European union.

Daniel 2:33-34

33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.34 You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them.

Daniel 7:7

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7:11

"I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched tell the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.


This is a cross reference to Revelation 19;

Revelation 19:20

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Ah, but the fourth beast has existed. It has gone through six iterations known as the Holy Roman Empire...

1) "IMPERIAL RESTORATION" of empire by Justinian, A.D. 554. He recognized supremacy of the Pope in the West.
2) PRANKISH KINGDOM Began 774. - Charlemagne crowned by Pope AD. 800
3) HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (German head). Otto the Great crowned by Pope, 962
4) HAPSBURG dynasty (Austrian head). Charles V crowned by Pope, 1520.
5) NAPOLEON'S KINGDOM (French head), crowned by Pope, 1805.
6) HITLER/MUSSOLINI (Axis Powers), blessed by the Pope and in turn received 109 acres which became the Vatican in 1929.

7) One yet to come.

Six heads have arisen, the final head will have ten horns...

Rev 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
Rev 17:11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
Rev 17:12 "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.
Rev 17:14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."

 

[sveinen]

You making this timeline up as you go?

that'a me that. not he.
i'll rock again some day

 

[tourist]

that'a me that. not he.
i'll rock again some day

You will walk on the stage as a rock star.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Ah, but the fourth beast has existed. It has gone through six iterations known as the Holy Roman Empire...

1) "IMPERIAL RESTORATION" of empire by Justinian, A.D. 554. He recognized supremacy of the Pope in the West.
2) PRANKISH KINGDOM Began 774. - Charlemagne crowned by Pope AD. 800
3) HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (German head). Otto the Great crowned by Pope, 962
4) HAPSBURG dynasty (Austrian head). Charles V crowned by Pope, 1520.
5) NAPOLEON'S KINGDOM (French head), crowned by Pope, 1805.
6) HITLER/MUSSOLINI (Axis Powers), blessed by the Pope and in turn received 109 acres which became the Vatican in 1929.

7) One yet to come.

Six heads have arisen, the final head will have ten horns...

Rev 17:10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
Rev 17:11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
Rev 17:12 "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.
Rev 17:14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."

My point was that the 4th beast written in Daniel 7 when it rises, it clearly says that it will be destroyed by the Lord.
It says nothing of it rising to power, being destroyed, rising to power again, being destroyed again, and so on and so on.....
It says it rises to power and is different then all others that came before it, and then it is destroyed by the Lord Himself. And InSpiritInTruth is trying to say the 4th beast is what destroyed the temple in 70 AD, which can not be the case as the Lord did not come back and destroy it. Plus Titus who finished that destruction of Jerusalem that Nero started, did not stand in the temple and claim to be God. Nero did not do that either.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

When did it begin?

When Jesus said it would.

 

[john832]

My point was that the 4th beast written in Daniel 7 when it rises, it clearly says that it will be destroyed by the Lord.
It says nothing of it rising to power, being destroyed, rising to power again, being destroyed again, and so on and so on.....
It says it rises to power and is different then all others that came before it, and then it is destroyed by the Lord Himself. And InSpiritInTruth is trying to say the 4th beast is what destroyed the temple in 70 AD, which can not be the case as the Lord did not come back and destroy it. Plus Titus who finished that destruction of Jerusalem that Nero started, did not stand in the temple and claim to be God. Nero did not do that either.

The last head, the one with ten horns (ten kings or kingdoms or nations) will.

 

[john832]

When Jesus said it would.

huh? When did the 1260 years begin?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No your timing is the one that is off, because in all cases, the statue in Daniel 2, and the 4th beast in Daniel 7 both show that it is the Lord who comes back and destroy's it. And the 4th beast has not existed since 70 AD, as Roman empire was destroyed and is finally now in this time and day reforming within the European union.

Yes the Lord will come back and destroy this global beast system, but it was set up long ago as I already showed you in Rev 12. Your whole theology is based on a false premise of some suspended floating 7 year period that was unfulfilled, which is ridiculous. There is no 7 year tribulation period mentioned anywhere in the Bible, None. But if you want to follow that fabricated doctrine, along with all the other fabrications of a single man yet to come called "Antichrist" (not based on scripture) then go right ahead.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

huh? When did the 1260 years begin?

When the Lord said it would, read it.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The last head, the one with ten horns (ten kings or kingdoms or nations) will.

The 4th beast in Daniel 7:7 does not have multiple heads, and it shows that the ten horns already exists at this point, so the 4th beast in Daniel 7:7 can not be what destroyed the temple in 70 AD.......

 

[kennethcadwell]

huh? When did the 1260 years begin?

It didn't because the 1,260 days is not in years, that is a false preceipt trying to base the same philosophy of a prophetic week to the days.
As the 1,260 literal days = 42 literal months = 3 1/2 literal years......to change this is a false philosophy that will lead to other false analogies....

 

[sveinen]

You will walk on the stage as a rock star.

thanks. Be Well Blessed

 

[john832]

It didn't because the 1,260 days is not in years, that is a false preceipt trying to base the same philosophy of a prophetic week to the days.
As the 1,260 literal days = 42 literal months = 3 1/2 literal years......to change this is a false philosophy that will lead to other false analogies....

Well, actually it is and it is not the same occurrence as the final 3-1/2 years. It is a literal 1260 years that the true church (ekklesia) was persecuted by a great universal church. We find information about Bogomils, Vaudois, Peter deBruy, Peter Waldo and so on scattered in Southern Europe hiding and surviving.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It didn't because the 1,260 days is not in years, that is a false preceipt trying to base the same philosophy of a prophetic week to the days.
As the 1,260 literal days = 42 literal months = 3 1/2 literal years......to change this is a false philosophy that will lead to other false analogies....

Who said it was 1,260 years? Not me. That is what John 832 was trying to misrepresent in my statement, when I said it was a sign of time. I never said it was 1,260 years.