LEGALSIM...how do you know if your a "legalist"

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Mitspa

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Because you speak as if the spiritual is not manifest in the physical, answer me this:
can a person look at porn and not be in the carnal flesh?

You talk about Spirit vs flesh as if to resist the flesh is to deny the Spirit.
Sounds more like excuses than sound doctrine.
When have I ever spoke that...I have said about a thousand times now that Faith and love is obedience from the Spirit. That legalism is the flesh trying to justify the flesh through dead works.

And of course watching porn and all sexually type lust and sins is a lust in the flesh...the thing is that legalism only makes those lust stronger! The strength of sin is the law!
 
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Sophia

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When have I ever spoke that...I have said about a thousand times now that Faith and love is obedience from the Spirit. That legalism is the flesh trying to justify the flesh through dead works.

And of course watching porn and all sexually type lust and sins is a lust in the flesh...the thing is that legalism only makes those lust stronger! The strength of sin is the law!
So you claim to be without lust?
 
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Mitspa

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So you claim to be without lust?
What I claim is what the bible clearly teaches...

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What I know is that those under grace live more godly on accident than those under legalism do by striving to justify their own flesh.
 

JaumeJ

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No child who comes to Jesus Christ is a legalist, although all forsake their former lives of disobedience. As all who read the Word know, disobedience is sin, and sin is breaking the law.

All of th children know they are not yet perfect in themselves, but they are being perfected by the Father, as it is written that we shall be perfect for God is perfect. This is a command, but not only is it a command, it is a promise, for He is perfecting us, not we.

Save the deliberatee sinner from the jaws of damnation, do not just point out his error. This is the good work of a believer.
 
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Sophia

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What I claim is what the bible clearly teaches...

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What I know is that those under grace live more godly on accident than those under legalism do by striving to justify their own flesh.
On accident?
You are misunderstanding what being "empowered" means.
What verse tells us to sit around and wait for God to puppet us?
He guides us, and empowers us, but we are called to action.

You are preaching against the Word, and twisting Grace into laziness.
Rather than preaching the instruction of the Word, you are trying to convince others to not please God.

If you are guilty of lust, then you failed the test in your OP, and you yourself are a legalist.

Next time you make a test, make sure it actually fits with the Word.
 
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Mitspa

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On accident?
You are misunderstanding what being "empowered" means.
What verse tells us to sit around and wait for God to puppet us?
He guides us, and empowers us, but we are called to action.

You are preaching against the Word, and twisting Grace into laziness.
No your missing the power of walking in the Spirit...its when we walk in the Spirit we have power over the flesh....not when we strive in the flesh to overcome the flesh. And again those who walk in grace will always out work those legalist trying to "earn" their way to heaven....
 

john832

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Gotta wonder why in the world this was included in the scripture...

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
 
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Mitspa

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Lu 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
42 But one thing is needful:
and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
 
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Sophia

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No your missing the power of walking in the Spirit...its when we walk in the Spirit we have power over the flesh....not when we strive in the flesh to overcome the flesh. And again those who walk in grace will always out work those legalist trying to "earn" their way to heaven....
How about striving in the Spirit?
Why did you run away from the thread where I posted all the verses about striving? Go and read what the Word says. We are called to strive. And not all striving is in the flesh.

You are grossing me out, btw.
Grace is not an excuse to be careless.
 
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Mitspa

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Gotta wonder why in the world this was included in the scripture...

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
Right and His Commandments are faith and love... Not legalism ...

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 

JaumeJ

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That does not take a lot of thinking, and it sounds about right to me. Amen.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to john832 again.

Gotta wonder why in the world this was included in the scripture...

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
 
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Mitspa

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How about striving in the Spirit?
Why did you run away from the thread where I posted all the verses about striving? Go and read what the Word says. We are called to strive. And not all striving is in the flesh.

You are grossing me out, btw.
Grace is not an excuse to be careless.
Striving in the Spirit? you have a scripture for that?
 
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Mitspa

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That does not take a lot of thinking, and it sounds about right to me. Amen.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to john832 again.
Right and His Commandments are faith and love... Not legalism ...

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 
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Sophia

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Right and His Commandments are faith and love... Not legalism ...

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
You speak of the Spirit, and then deny our calling... disgusting.
Well done distorting the Gospel into a licence to live selfishly.
"But even my self centeredness is more righteous than a legalists selfrighteousness".
Both groups will face judgement.
Those who live by the Spirit will not.

Those who simply claim the Spirit have no such assurance.
 
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Sophia

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Striving in the Spirit? you have a scripture for that?
Go to the "seeker friendly" thread.
Post 93 and 94.
Try and explain your hatred for the word "striving" when faced with those verses.
 

JaumeJ

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You are not going to brainwash anyone with your condensed Scripture interpretations. You must read and obey all of the Word,. This is being coverted and conformed to the children of obedience spoken of and taught about in Ephesians and other places in the Word. Either you try to obey while being perfected by God, or you are disobedient, and disobedience is sin, and sin is, simply put, breaking the law.

If you do not yet understand that the law on stone leaves no room for grace and mercy, while having it written in our inward parts allows for pardon and grace, then yu must pray on this theme. It is throughout the Word. God bless you, now and always amen.

Right and His Commandments are faith and love... Not legalism ...

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 

john832

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Right and His Commandments are faith and love... Not legalism ...

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Lemme see here, Mitspa says the Commandments are faith and love and that is true but only half of the story...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

He also includes in that the Ten Commandments.

Paul concurs...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

but you call this legalism.

Legalism is the teaching that keeping the Law will EARN one salvation. I have posted this probably hundreds of times but here goes again...

One hundred lifetimes of one hundred years each will not earn eternal life. Eternal life is a gift. Justification is a gift.

Does God expect a person to keep the Commandments?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Why? The definition of sin is...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

God wants His children to refrain from sin. When we sin, our only recourse is to go to the Father through the High Priest and ask for mercy and grace. God grants forgiveness by the application of Christ's sacrifice in our stead.

Sin requires blood...

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

When we sin, someone's blood must be shed. Christ voluntarily shed His blood in our stead, so when we sin we need the sacrifice of Christ to remit that sin. So, is that a license to sin?

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

To no longer strive not to sin, to allow sin (the transgression of the Law) to become common place with us, puts us in a dangerous category...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Should we strive not to sin?

2Ti 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Paul thought so.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Christ thought so too.
 
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Mitspa

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Lemme see here, Mitspa says the Commandments are faith and love and that is true but only half of the story...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

He also includes in that the Ten Commandments.

Paul concurs...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

but you call this legalism.

Legalism is the teaching that keeping the Law will EARN one salvation. I have posted this probably hundreds of times but here goes again...

One hundred lifetimes of one hundred years each will not earn eternal life. Eternal life is a gift. Justification is a gift.

Does God expect a person to keep the Commandments?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Why? The definition of sin is...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

God wants His children to refrain from sin. When we sin, our only recourse is to go to the Father through the High Priest and ask for mercy and grace. God grants forgiveness by the application of Christ's sacrifice in our stead.

Sin requires blood...

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

When we sin, someone's blood must be shed. Christ voluntarily shed His blood in our stead, so when we sin we need the sacrifice of Christ to remit that sin. So, is that a license to sin?

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

To no longer strive not to sin, to allow sin (the transgression of the Law) to become common place with us, puts us in a dangerous category...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Should we strive not to sin?

2Ti 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Paul thought so.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Christ thought so too.
Right its called the simplicity of Christ..."nothing profits but faith working by love"
 
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Mitspa

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You are not going to brainwash anyone with your condensed Scripture interpretations. You must read and obey all of the Word,. This is being coverted and conformed to the children of obedience spoken of and taught about in Ephesians and other places in the Word. Either you try to obey while being perfected by God, or you are disobedient, and disobedience is sin, and sin is, simply put, breaking the law.

If you do not yet understand that the law on stone leaves no room for grace and mercy, while having it written in our inward parts allows for pardon and grace, then yu must pray on this theme. It is throughout the Word. God bless you, now and always amen.
Yes the obedience of faith and love....not legalism, thats hypocrisy :(

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
 

JaumeJ

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Anyone who believes the "simplicity" of Christ will hear His words and do them.If a person does not do this, he is living by bread alone.