LEGALSIM...how do you know if your a "legalist"

[JaumeJ]

What are you telling me that is new? New to me or new to all who believe obedience is good and disobedience is evil? Are you now teaching all? Are you assuming all do not already know what you are "saying." It is very easy to repeat words to one another without understanding, however it is not advisable to practice such.

If you believe we all do not know what you have placed here, I am afraid you are assuming much, and not very kind in your credit to the family in Christ..

Your preaching to most of us is like rain on wet ground. Try fellowship in place of being over everyone else. It is healthy for the spirit, and humble in the sight of the Father.

Yes He magnified the law to those under the law, before His Cross and the New Testament was written in His Blood. And the New Testament teaches us the purpose of the law was to make all guilty and bring them to His Cross to be justified by faith. So now the believer has been delivered from the "legalism" of the law that we might serve God through the Spirit...faith and love. And God has given us His Spirit "the law written upon our heart" that we might love and fulfill every commandment of God in this one word.

 

[Mitspa]

What are you telling me that is new? New to me or new to all who believe obedience is good and disobedience is evil? Are you now teaching all? Are you assuming all do not already know what you are "saying." It is very easy to repeat words to one another without understanding, however it is not advisable to practice such.

If you believe we all do not know what you have placed here, I am afraid you are assuming much, and not very kind in your credit to the family in Christ..

Your preaching to most of us is like rain on wet ground. Try fellowship in place of being over everyone else. It is healthy for the spirit, and humble in the sight of the Father.

Well if what I am saying is in agreement with you and your understanding, that legalism is not obedience? What point are you trying to make against what I have ben saying on this thread?

 

[john832]

Anyone who believes the "simplicity" of Christ will hear His words and do them.If a person does not do this, he is living by bread alone.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JaumeJ again.

 

[john832]

Well if what I am saying is in agreement with you and your understanding, that legalism is not obedience? What point are you trying to make against what I have ben saying on this thread?

Because you call obedience legalism. Huge difference.

 

[Mitspa]

Because you call obedience legalism. Huge difference.

No im calling legalism a false form of obedience ...hypocrisy

That true obedience is in the Spirit and not in the "letter" faith and love, not legalism.

 

[JaumeJ]

The POINT is loud and clear. You post, then you assume about all others who try to share the difference between living in true grace with responsibility in obdience out of great gratitude for the Salvation of God in His Only Begotten son. Inferring that all who belive gratitude and thanksgiving in general may be expressed purely and in the most wholesome manner by obeying our Father's wishes, calling it legalism, and assuming all who love the Father so are what you call legalists.

You cannot walk in grace without being ovedient to the Father's sishes. Jesus Christ magnified nothing in the law, He repeated what He taught in the Old Testament. Jesus rarely, if ever qualifed anything with magnifying except His love of us in His own actions, and His love for the Fathe.

If you wish to post, please do not load the title, because it will always backfire.

Well if what I am saying is in agreement with you and your understanding, that legalism is not obedience? What point are you trying to make against what I have ben saying on this thread?

 

[Mitspa]

Let me try to explain it this way to some....
If I don't steal because Gods Spirit has caused me to love and in that love I look to give and not take...
But someone under the law is trying to justify themselves by not stealing, yet in their heart they covet what others have?
and they don't love.....Who is God pleased with?

Let me bring this point forward and see if anyone will discuss what Im really trying to say?

 

[Mitspa]

The POINT is loud and clear. You post, then you assume about all others who try to share the difference between living in true grace with responsibility in obdience out of great gratitude for the Salvation of God in His Only Begotten son. Inferring that all who belive gratitude and thanksgiving in general may be expressed purely and in the most wholesome manner by obeying our Father's wishes, calling it legalism, and assuming all who love the Father so are what you call legalists.

You cannot walk in grace without being ovedient to the Father's sishes. Jesus Christ magnified nothing in the law, He repeated what He taught in the Old Testament. Jesus rarely, if ever qualifed anything with magnifying except His love of us in His own actions, and His love for the Fathe.

If you wish to post, please do not load the title, because it will always backfire.

See your problem is the New Testament, that clearly teaches that we serve God by the Spirit and not by the letter, that faith and love are obedience and that legalism is not. Im sorry but dead works are not accepted before God.

 

[john832]

No im calling legalism a false form of obedience ...hypocrisy

That true obedience is in the Spirit and not in the "letter" faith and love, not legalism.

Can one obey in the spirit while violating the letter?

 

[michael56]

Can one obey in the spirit while violating the letter?

We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles [SUP]16 [/SUP]know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[SUP][d][/SUP] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.[SUP]17 [/SUP]“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! [SUP]18 [/SUP]If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. Gal2:15-18

 

[Mitspa]

Can one obey in the spirit while violating the letter?

You mean like being circumcised in the Spirit, but not by the standard of the written code as a physical act of the flesh? Or like entering into a "eternal" spiritual rest (Sabbath) and not observing a "temporal" day? Or like worshipping God in the Spirit and not by a physical Temple, with carnal rules of worship?

 

[john832]

You mean like being circumcised in the Spirit, but not by the standard of the written code as a physical act of the flesh? Or like entering into a "eternal" spiritual rest (Sabbath) and not observing a "temporal" day? Or like worshipping God in the Spirit and not by a physical Temple, with carnal rules of worship?

Just as I thought, over your head.

 

[Mitspa]

Just as I thought, over your head.

What? don't you see that often the legal written requirement is fulfilled in the Spirit in a way that the "natural" mind of man cannot grasp by the written code of the law?

For instance the Spirit gives us love and in that love we look to give and not steal...or covet ...etc

 

[JaumeJ]

I am blessed to have read the Old Testamen in part before reading the New. I read the Book of Isaiah first. My learning is of the Holy Spirit and people older and wiser than I. It is a blessing to have learned much as did the first who believe Jesus Christ, from the writings that were available to them. My understanding is nto influenced by the errors of so many of th efirst congregations that needed to be brought under the reins by Paul in his epistles. My learning is from the Old Testamen, as you call it, and the teachings of our Lord, Jesus Christ..

If you believe the New testament collection of Holy Writings are all one should study in order to please God, this is your choice and your own way of believing. I prefer all of the Word, because the Word is Jesus Christ.

It is a pity thaose who only read the New Testament will not study the Old, for it is the foundation of the faith of Abraham.

 

[JaumeJ]

There is a lot of new being dded to the New Testament in this thread. Words javomg tje a``earamce pf beomg frp, tje Scro`tires molded into some new sugary teaching of grace without responsibility, and faith with no works. Yes the new way to live adn die without good works, just do what you want with no regard wo righteousness in our conduct beginning with faith. This is so sweet it makes a person need to vomit.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Mitspa, do you believe God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow? How is possible for Him to change His word if He stays the same? Don't you think it were the preachers corrupting the word, just like we see in the churches today.

Think about it the same yesterday, today and tomorrow...

 

[Mitspa]

I am blessed to have read the Old Testamen in part before reading the New. I read the Book of Isaiah first. My learning is of the Holy Spirit and people older and wiser than I. It is a blessing to have learned much as did the first who believe Jesus Christ, from the writings that were available to them. My understanding is nto influenced by the errors of so many of th efirst congregations that needed to be brought under the reins by Paul in his epistles. My learning is from the Old Testamen, as you call it, and the teachings of our Lord, Jesus Christ..

If you believe the New testament collection of Holy Writings are all one should study in order to please God, this is your choice and your own way of believing. I prefer all of the Word, because the Word is Jesus Christ.

It is a pity thaose who only read the New Testament will not study the Old, for it is the foundation of the faith of Abraham.

Another issue made up out of thin air, to deflect from the truth of the New Testament. Of course the Old Testament testifies to Christ and His Grace as manifest in the New.

Isa 54:9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.

Isa 54:14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.
15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

 

[Mitspa]

Mitspa, do you believe God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow? How is possible for Him to change His word if He stays the same? Don't you think it were the preachers corrupting the word, just like we see in the churches today.

Think about it the same yesterday, today and tomorrow...

Yes and we know Him through Jesus Christ and His Word...which is the New Testament written in His Blood...

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

 

[Mitspa]

Heb 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

 

[Mitspa]

There is a lot of new being dded to the New Testament in this thread. Words javomg tje a``earamce pf beomg frp, tje Scro`tires molded into some new sugary teaching of grace without responsibility, and faith with no works. Yes the new way to live adn die without good works, just do what you want with no regard wo righteousness in our conduct beginning with faith. This is so sweet it makes a person need to vomit.

Good works are works of faith and love....legalism is "dead" works and have no profit in the Kingdom of God.