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I am afraid if you are going to disqualify not only the law but the Old Testament in general, you have no business posting in a forum called Bible Discussion. Perhaps you could begin again in a forum dedicated to the teachings of the accounts of events in the New Testament, since the prophecies of the Old Testament are not considered valid for your faith. I do recommend being as Jesus Christ teaches, that is the faith of Abraham.
K
Sorry but I have to disagree with you here Mitspa, as the biblical definition of lawlessness is those who believe that God's standards and moral laws do not apply to them.
They live however they want instead of living and walking in the Spirit as the Lord commanded, not by keeping His commands out of love and guidance of the Holy Spirit. I am sorry to say this, but if the spirit that is in a person is not leading them to uphold the commands of the Lord then I would say that spirit in them is not the Holy Spirit. Because the scriptures clearly say the Holy Spirit will not guide a person to walk in disobedience, or lewdness (sins).
Let me get this straight. YOu would not accept my reference to Psalm 32 because it is in the Old Testamen. Now you have been advised to read what Paul teaches on the the subject in Romans, and you have failed to research it. It seems you do not want to accept anything if it is from someone who is a child of obedience in spirit walking in the grace of the Blood of the wonderful Lamb of God. Praise Jesus Christ, amen.
K
In other words those who are disobedient to God's moral laws and standards are those who believe that they do not apply to them, and go and live however they want including lewdness, uncleanness, sins, so on.....
If you believe the standards and God's moral laws do not apply to you such as what was mentioned in the 10 commandments. Then you have rewritten the whole NT, including all of Paul's epistles as he constantly showed that a true born again believer in their walk in the Spirit will uphold those standards and commands.
Learn what it is to show mercy from the heart. Jesus does this, and He did it in His agony on the cross. He knows our frame. Ephesisans does speak clearly on the children of disobedience and the children of obedience, and we know they are different. we also know, although we would love to be perfect, we are not yet perfected. Meanwhile we obey as best we are able, and where we slip, we, living in grtace, do not have our transgressions held agains us, and sin does not rule in our lives.
Again, Paul covers this same subjec quite well in Romans, but you must study both before teaching the children of obedience that because they are not yet perfected they arer lawless. Do not compare them to the Pharisees for their Shepherd always hears them. By the way, He hears you also. When you read the Word, though in part, believe the Word. Also, I believe the Old Testament wisdom of God is always valid, for as our friend has stated, God does not change.
Again, Paul covers this same subjec quite well in Romans, but you must study both before teaching the children of obedience that because they are not yet perfected they arer lawless. Do not compare them to the Pharisees for their Shepherd always hears them. By the way, He hears you also. When you read the Word, though in part, believe the Word. Also, I believe the Old Testament wisdom of God is always valid, for as our friend has stated, God does not change.
The law, and my legalism, brought me to Christ.
It showed me the futility of my own work and the magnificence of the Lords work.
Its just a shame that more legalists, like me, don't take this next step and abandon their own works to embrace the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you think I wanted to abandon my work? Do you think I wanted to rely on someone other than myself? No way. I wanted to do it. I wanted to run the race.
But I came to the Lord Jesus Christ and He gave me rest. I was blessed by Christ even though I didn't understand what I was asking for or what I was doing. I was completely ignorant of the spirit and the spiritual. Its not until we come to Christ that our eyes and understanding are opened.
Until that happens we are all under the law to work at it in our own understanding.
Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Is that present tense or future tense? I get all the tenses messed up.
It showed me the futility of my own work and the magnificence of the Lords work.
Its just a shame that more legalists, like me, don't take this next step and abandon their own works to embrace the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you think I wanted to abandon my work? Do you think I wanted to rely on someone other than myself? No way. I wanted to do it. I wanted to run the race.
But I came to the Lord Jesus Christ and He gave me rest. I was blessed by Christ even though I didn't understand what I was asking for or what I was doing. I was completely ignorant of the spirit and the spiritual. Its not until we come to Christ that our eyes and understanding are opened.
Until that happens we are all under the law to work at it in our own understanding.
Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Is that present tense or future tense? I get all the tenses messed up.
K
Here is the thing though that I see that some over look when it comes to teaching, and when it is mentioned which I have done a couple times people get offensive on it.
The bible says keeping His laws is impossible by us alone, and even the Apostles when they heard all that the Lord said questioned Him and said who can be saved then. Because they found it impossible just like many still today see and teach. Yet Jesus did not say in His reply that it is impossible, nor did He say nobody would be saved.
His response back to the Apostles was with men (alone) it is impossible, but "with God" all things are possible.
Then He even says later on that to those who believe all things are possible, and Paul then reiterates this in Philippians 4:13 where he says he can do all things through Christ who strengthens him.
If people are still putting limitations on God and saying it is still impossible to keep His 10 commandments, and jumping on people who say they do, then they are the one's who is not letting the Lord fully work in their life. We are not alone my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, for we have the Holy Spirit in us guiding us to righteousness and not to lewdness.
K
Yes our own work is futile, but the righteous work of the Spirit within and through us is not.
We are not under the law for we have been shown our faults by the law, and we now being under grace are not held to its written ordinances of sacrifices, punishments, cleansing rituals, and so on.....
We are still by walking in the Spirit are under God's moral laws that is written on our heats and our minds to walk in. For Love does not cheat, steal, murder, covet, adultery, idols, and so on....
It is not a sin nor is it justification by the law to say a true born again believer in Christ will uphold the moral laws and commandments of God. Even Paul showed throughout his epistles he still through love upheld those commands.
The line between mosaic law and moral law has been skewed and smeared by teachers to teach them as one and the same, but they are not as God's moral laws that was contained within the 10 commandments do no longer come with the written ordinances of the mosaic laws to put to death anybody who breaks one of them. Nor do we have to sacrifice animals for committing sin, as the Lord took our punishment and was our sacrifice for or sins.
