God of the Paradox
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Doesn't matter if you brought up the analogy or not. It doesn't apply. One needs to have all the available facts so as to make the right analogy and or to stand by such an analogy.
Eve knew full well what she was getting into. She tried to make excuses to cover up her sin, but the Lord knew better. In other words, it wouldn't have mattered if God warned her more or if he tried to do more things to prevent her to not sin. God knew she would have sinned anyways. God gave mankind "free will" so that he can choose to love God of their own choice. For true love can only exist if two parties both agree to love each other. Again, if mankind was just capable of loving only they would not appreciate and love God in the same way as those who choose God (having the "free will choice."). Yeah, but why did God create us knowing we would do the wrong thing? Is "true love" really that worth it? Yes. For God it was worth it. For God would show forth His love to His creation and His creation would in turn love Him back. Not a forced love. But a love relationship that is deep and meaningful.
Eve knew full well what she was getting into. She tried to make excuses to cover up her sin, but the Lord knew better. In other words, it wouldn't have mattered if God warned her more or if he tried to do more things to prevent her to not sin. God knew she would have sinned anyways. God gave mankind "free will" so that he can choose to love God of their own choice. For true love can only exist if two parties both agree to love each other. Again, if mankind was just capable of loving only they would not appreciate and love God in the same way as those who choose God (having the "free will choice."). Yeah, but why did God create us knowing we would do the wrong thing? Is "true love" really that worth it? Yes. For God it was worth it. For God would show forth His love to His creation and His creation would in turn love Him back. Not a forced love. But a love relationship that is deep and meaningful.
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The curse came through Adam, not Eve - she didn't receive direct instructions from God as Adam did.
Adam was the one that did and he heeded to his wife, he had plenty of warning.
Just a correction, if your gonna tell the story may as well tell it right
Adam was the one that did and he heeded to his wife, he had plenty of warning.
Just a correction, if your gonna tell the story may as well tell it right
No, Adam and Eve sure learned by their mistake in hurting God. In fact, mankind (i.e. any of us today) would have made the same exact decision Adam and Eve would have made if we were in their place. Man knowing his freedom in not being with God and the Lord's good ways will be driven by curiosity to see what it would be like without God. That is the lesson in all of this. We are here to realize that we need God and His love for our lives. Knowing how much all of us have chosen the wrong way (Because of our own selfishiness and sin, we then realize just how much we need God). But it is again... a free will particpation on our part. God wants "true love" and not forced love. Sometimes in a relationship between a husband and wife there is going to be hurt, heart ache, arguments, disagreements, etc. But for many loving married couples, the love shared between them far outweighs any bad or challenges that they have gone thru.
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For me to love him, I have to believe he exists. Point A to point B.
I can't even move to the love position because I cant even get to the first position.
It could also be argued that my freedom of choice is being taken away from me. The lack of evidence for gods existence doesn't allow me to make a choice to love him.
Let's prove he exists first, then I can make a decision whether I want a loving relationship with him or not.
I can't even move to the love position because I cant even get to the first position.
It could also be argued that my freedom of choice is being taken away from me. The lack of evidence for gods existence doesn't allow me to make a choice to love him.
Let's prove he exists first, then I can make a decision whether I want a loving relationship with him or not.
When a person dies an unbeliever, they go to Torments (Hell). This is not a torture chamber in flames. It is more like an uncomfortable prison or a holding place until the Judgment. Unbelievers or those who rejected God in this life (Even false believers) will be destroyed both body and soul in Gehenna, i.e. the Lake of Fire (After the Judgment).
I realize you don't think he exists. Scripture tells me you are without excuse and you know He exists deep down because of the creation. For me, I know He exists personally because I have a loving relationship with Him. I cannot see God with my own two eyes currently, but I know He is there. I cannot see air yet I know air exists and I know it is there. For example: If you didn't believe air existed, I would try and get you to do things so as to test to see if such a concept as air existed. In other words, what I am trying to say is that you should test to see if God exists. Look at the observable evidences that back up God's Word with an open mind and call upon the Lord. Indulge me. Seek the truth. Make Him known and He will be known to you. So accepting Point A, involves testing out Point B. In other words, for me to drive from Point A to Point B, I need to start going towards point B (Even if I am not sure of my position of Point A). Test it out. Seek the truth. For Jesus is the way, the Truth, and the Life.
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Well, lets just say it was not an overnight decision I made in regards to Conditional Immortality (CI) over Eternal Conscious Torment (ECT) when examining the Scriptures (And when asking God to help show me the truth on such said topic). If you are interested, you can find my discussions and points I made on this topic with Scripture here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/104767-what-your-view-hell-lake-fire-loving.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/104767-what-your-view-hell-lake-fire-loving.html
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Right at 5:20 of the video, they seriously blew it. They presented the "supernatural" as a thing or an effect. Whereas the Holy Spirit is a person. They don't get it because the spiritual is not understood with the carnal mind. THAT'S the paradox. To an atheist, becoming a Christian is like forfeiting logic for foolishness. In reality, it is abandoning the carnal mind for the mind of Christ Jesus. And until they do come to the end of their vanity and pride and surrender to the Lord Jesus, they cannot understand the things of the spirit.
If you want a deeper understanding of the Lord, you only need to spend time with Him, talk to Him, and listen to Him.
If you want a deeper understanding of the Lord, you only need to spend time with Him, talk to Him, and listen to Him.
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