People think you have to keep grace on a leash

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For God so LOVED the world that He sent His only Son.....(guessing you know where to find that)

I really disagree with the way you interpret things

So I guess it's a draw

we are ok sister, really we are.

Keep me honest here, it sounds to me like you are stating that God's love will keep a person from going to hell, even if that person never confess the Lord Jesus and Believes in their heart God raised him from the dead. Is that what you are saying? If not, then I missed it and apologize.
 
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"Bro" is reserved for those you are in close intimacy with. If you say "Bro" the President, or to your new boss, then that would be a sign of disrespect. If we are in strong disagreement over Soteriology, one side is obviously not thinking the other side is right with God so one cannot say "bro" to the opposition because they are not thinking they really are an actual brother (If they say they have no understanding of God's Word and His grace, etc., etc.).
oh grow up already........................BRO
 
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I believe that everyone finds their own way with God. I believe that a relationship with God is exactly that, a relationship, and in being such they will not all be the same. This does not mean that I believe all "relationships" with God are true and that they will be saved and going to heaven. I think that professing to know the truth about the Bible and what it means is a dangerous thing because God speaks so much on false prophets and I believe misleading believers is one of the biggest sins you can commit.

Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"

1 John 1:8-10 "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us."
Jason0047 I have read many of your posts on this thread and first off I am very impressed with your knowledge of the Bible, but I believe that many of the verses you have used have been taken out of context and are misleading in their meaning. I don't doubt that you believe what you are saying, you clearly fell very strongly on the subject. However you come across very hostile and superior, obviously I can not know what you are thinking or feeling but for me someone who attempts to shove their beliefs down my throat isn't someone I would want to listen to. So I would suggest that if you truly believe you are correct and you truly want people to believe in the way that you do, that you approach it differently. I am not trying to single out because many people on this thread have just started fighting, it is no longer a discussion of trying to understand the Bible and its meaning it is simply trying to prove the other wrong. In my opinion God's word should speak for itself it does not need an advocate to force others to believe. We are to bring others to God in love and show them the love and the grace of God. I don't see any love or any grace in this thread and that to me means we are missing the point. Sure God has rules and the debate on wether there are sins that are unforgivable is a hard one to prove but why do we need to prove it to one another. God will be the judge when it is time.

Romans 1:22 "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools."
While I thank you for the compliment, I was not actually judging anyone outright to begin with. My primary form of attack is the false doctrine known as Once Saved Always Saved which I believe leads one to think they can have a license to sin. I have met people who say they are for holiness but under close examination and discussion of what they believe about sin and how they actually deal with it in their Christian lives, I found out that what they actually believe paints a different picture of the story. Granted, I am not saying all OSAS proponents are alike. But most who argue with me are not really like my close friend or brother I know in person who is for the position of OSAS Lite (Which teaches that holiness is the requirement or test that lets us know a person who is truly a born again son). If one is not living holy then they were never saved to begin with. Granted, I do not believe in this doctrine myself, but I do consider them to be my brothers because they do not make excuses for sin.

However, you have to know it is not wrong for me to say that doing evil is wrong, though (Which is at the heart of most other forms of OSAS that people are holding onto these days). For would it be wrong for you to be firm and stand up and fight the good fight of faith in telling a woman to not have an abortion while others are ranting against you? I say thee nay. Pointing out what is wrong is not an example of one being unloving. Pointing out what is wrong helps a person to repent and turn to God. For the Scriptures say we are not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but we are to rather reprove them. The Scriptures also say, Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good, too. For I only judge if someone has judged me. I do not set out to attack others. I set out to attack false beliefs and doctrines of devils. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalties, and wickedness in high places.
 

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"Bro" is reserved for those you are in close intimacy with. If you say "Bro" the President, or to your new boss, then that would be a sign of disrespect. If we are in strong disagreement over Soteriology, one side is obviously not thinking the other side is right with God so one cannot say "bro" to the opposition because they are not thinking they really are an actual brother (If they say they have no understanding of God's Word and His grace, etc., etc.).
Jason, you need to get out more (and less of CC), at my work (b4 retirement) the truckers would call each other bro all the time even though most barely knew the other.
 

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So much division where there should be no division at all is heartbreaking to watch.
 
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Jason, you need to get out more (and less of CC), at my work (b4 retirement) the truckers would call each other bro all the time even though most barely knew the other.
There is a certain kinship and lingo amongst truckers. They consider each other brothers in a way. Many of them try to help each other (if they can and they look for one another if possible). But if a trucker went up to the President and said, "How you doing bro?" we both know that would not be acceptable.
 
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I swear if this becomes another grace vs the law or grace vs never sinning I am going to go nuts.
Anyone know if Blain made an appointment with a therapist yet?


 

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There is a certain kinship and lingo amongst truckers. They consider each other brothers in a way. Many of them try to help each other (if they can and they look for one another if possible). But if a trucker went up to the President and said, "How you doing bro?" we both know that would not be acceptable.
I'm sure that he's been called worse.
 
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There is a certain kinship and lingo amongst truckers. They consider each other brothers in a way. Many of them try to help each other (if they can and they look for one another if possible). But if a trucker went up to the President and said, "How you doing bro?" we both know that would not be acceptable.
So I guess calling God the Father abba daddy is out for you as well.

How very self righteous of you.
 
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So much division where there should be no division at all is heartbreaking to watch.
According to Matthew 7, there are going to be some who the Lord says for them to depart from them and says He does not know them. It is strange, because many OSAS proponents have said you can be out of fellowship with God and still be saved. Yet, Jesus says if He does not know a believer (Which implies fellowship), then He is going to tell them to depart from Him for working iniquity (Which is obviously talking about some kind of "sin"; Whether it be the excusing of sin in Antinomianism or the sin of Works Salvationism).
 
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I'm sure that he's been called worse.
Actually yes. I have been called worse at TOL (Theology Online). But I rejoice at such times (Because of what Jesus had once said on this matter), though.
 
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I swear if this becomes another grace vs the law or grace vs never sinning I am going to go nuts. I am grateful for God's grace because even though I try to be obedient when I slip up he forgives and I can keep moving forward. If anyone thinks they can sin as they please because of grace they are very confused
Oh no! Look! You sinned. You said, "I swear". And Jesus said."[SUP]34[/SUP]But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:[SUP]35[/SUP] Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
[SUP]36[/SUP] Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
[SUP]37[/SUP] But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

So, since you disobeyed Jesus, are you now walking in the flesh? Did you lose your Salvation? Did your flesh lust against the spirit? Has lust conceived sin and brought forth death in you? Did you go nuts like you said you would?

Or are you forgiven by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ?
 
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There is a certain kinship and lingo amongst truckers. They consider each other brothers in a way. Many of them try to help each other (if they can and they look for one another if possible). But if a trucker went up to the President and said, "How you doing bro?" we both know that would not be acceptable.
I was feeding off your first sentence, "Bro, is reserved for those you are in close intimacy with."
Try not worming out of it please.
 
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Oh no! Look! You sinned. You said, "I swear". And Jesus said."[SUP]34[/SUP]But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:[SUP]35[/SUP] Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
[SUP]36[/SUP] Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
[SUP]37[/SUP] But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

So, since you disobeyed Jesus, are you now walking in the flesh? Did you lose your Salvation? Did your flesh lust against the spirit? Has lust conceived sin and brought forth death in you?

Or are you forgiven by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ?
Joking about sin is no laughing matter. Sin put Jesus Christ on the cross. So let's please have a little respect out of what our Savior went thru for all of mankind... okay?
 
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a troll hacked Blain's account on here yesterday..
I know, but I'm pretty sure that was Blain.

Laugh, Blue! That was supposed to be a joke. Losin' my touch, I guess.

Joking about sin is no laughing matter. Sin put Jesus Christ on the cross. So let's please have a little respect out of what our Savior went thru for all of mankind... okay?
Great. Now answer the question!

 

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I know, but I'm pretty sure that was Blain.

Laugh, Blue! That was supposed to be a joke. Losin' my touch, I guess.
actually no, it wasn't Blain. He was online at the same time that Please person was. I emailed him to ask if he'd been hacked and he had no idea what I was talking about. He spent all day yesterday getting Robo to help him, because I spoke to Robo also.
 
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I was feeding off your first sentence, "Bro, is reserved for those you are in close intimacy with."
Try not worming out of it please.
I am not trying to worm my way out of anything. It's not that far off from what I said. Truckers are not complete strangers to one another. They share a common occupation, trials, and pay. They communicate and talk with each other (in person and by radio), etc. Besides, what I said does not mean I was writing an entire book that was exhaustive on the subject. I can believe the one and also believe the other, too. Both statements are equally true and not in contradiction. For one can do the same with the Bible, too. They can say the Bible is in contradiction, but if they were to compare what Scripture says elsewhere on the matter, we find that such a contradiction is not one at all. One has to take everything the Bible says on a matter. Just as one should not judge what a person says in just one sentence, either.
 
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