Which laws are and are not valid?
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Thanks so much for sharing how God brought you to saving faith.
And yes, my experience was just as powerful and transforming for me as yours was for you.
I note the first thing God did for you. . .take you to his word for true knowledge of him, his truth and his will.
Thanks, friend. . .and I have the same for you--please do not be caught up in your personal experiences without the verification of the spirit and the life which are the word of God written (Jn 6:63).
And yes, my experience was just as powerful and transforming for me as yours was for you.
I note the first thing God did for you. . .take you to his word for true knowledge of him, his truth and his will.
Thanks, friend. . .and I have the same for you--please do not be caught up in your personal experiences without the verification of the spirit and the life which are the word of God written (Jn 6:63).
C
Paul wrote: “Go on carrying the burdens of one another, and thus fulfill the law of the Christ.” (Ga 6:2) While the Law covenant was terminated at Pentecost, 33 C.E. (“since the priesthood is being changed, there comes to be of necessity a change also of the law”; Heb 7:12), Christians come “under law toward Christ.” (1Co 9:21) This law is called “the perfect law that belongs to freedom,” “the law of a free people,” “the law of faith.” (Jas 1:25; 2:12; Ro 3:27) Such a new law had been foretold by God through the prophet Jeremiah when he spoke of a new covenant and the writing of his law on the hearts of his people.—Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:6-13.
Like Moses, the mediator of the Law covenant, Jesus Christ is Mediator of the new covenant. Moses wrote the Law in code form, but Jesus did not personally put a law down in writing. He talked and put his law into the minds and hearts of his disciples. Neither did his disciples set down laws in the form of a code for Christians, classifying the laws into categories and subheadings. Nonetheless, the Christian Greek Scriptures are full of laws, commands, and decrees that the Christian is bound to observe.—Re 14:12; 1Jo 5:2, 3; 4:21; 3:22-24; 2Jo 4-6; Joh 13:34, 35; 14:15; 15:14.
Jesus gave instruction to his disciples to preach the ‘good news of the kingdom.’ His command is found at Matthew 10:1-42; Luke 9:1-6; 10:1-12. At Matthew 28:18-20 a new command was given to Jesus’ disciples to go, not to the Jews only, but to all nations, to make disciples and baptize them with a new baptism, “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.” Thus, with divine authorization Jesus taught and issued commands while on earth (Ac 1:1, 2) as well as after his ascension. (Ac 9:5, 6; Re 1:1-3) The entire book of Revelation consists of prophecies, commands, admonition, and instruction to the Christian congregation.
The “law of the Christ” covers the whole course and scope of the Christian’s life and work. By the help of God’s spirit the Christian can follow the commands in order to be judged favorably by that law, for it is “the law of that spirit which gives life in union with Christ Jesus.”—Ro 8:2, 4.
Like Moses, the mediator of the Law covenant, Jesus Christ is Mediator of the new covenant. Moses wrote the Law in code form, but Jesus did not personally put a law down in writing. He talked and put his law into the minds and hearts of his disciples. Neither did his disciples set down laws in the form of a code for Christians, classifying the laws into categories and subheadings. Nonetheless, the Christian Greek Scriptures are full of laws, commands, and decrees that the Christian is bound to observe.—Re 14:12; 1Jo 5:2, 3; 4:21; 3:22-24; 2Jo 4-6; Joh 13:34, 35; 14:15; 15:14.
Jesus gave instruction to his disciples to preach the ‘good news of the kingdom.’ His command is found at Matthew 10:1-42; Luke 9:1-6; 10:1-12. At Matthew 28:18-20 a new command was given to Jesus’ disciples to go, not to the Jews only, but to all nations, to make disciples and baptize them with a new baptism, “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.” Thus, with divine authorization Jesus taught and issued commands while on earth (Ac 1:1, 2) as well as after his ascension. (Ac 9:5, 6; Re 1:1-3) The entire book of Revelation consists of prophecies, commands, admonition, and instruction to the Christian congregation.
The “law of the Christ” covers the whole course and scope of the Christian’s life and work. By the help of God’s spirit the Christian can follow the commands in order to be judged favorably by that law, for it is “the law of that spirit which gives life in union with Christ Jesus.”—Ro 8:2, 4.
For starters:
MORAL......REAL ACTION.....IN THE REAL WORLD
Matthew 22:36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 .) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 .) This is the first and great commandment.
39 .) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 .) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Unless you believe Jesus meant this to be a "ceremonial act" and not a real life walk.
MORAL........REAL ACTION........IN THE REAL WORLD
Matthew 25:41) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 .) For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 .) I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 .) Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 .) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 .) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Unless you believe that those who failed to do these things will only "ceremonially" go away into everlasting punishment.
As for Ceremonial commandments, we have the celebration of Communion, Water Baptism and Foot Washing for starters. While they are experienced physically, they are ceremonial in their practice.
I fully agree that many of the 613 Laws are ceremonial in nature/practice, but not all of them. One has to understand the difference between practical application and ceremonial observance I suppose. The Laws concerning murder and all sorts of illicit sexual activity can't possibly be viewed as ceremonial for they are addressing real physical practical applications.
Possibly you have Scripture to support your view?
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BTW: If you believe in the Two Greatest Commandments listed above, and believe that the church today is to keep those commandments, you also are a legalist. For they are Commandments/Laws given by Jesus to the church to be obeyed, and, in obeying them, you become an observer of these two...............ergo..........legalist.
It just works out that obedience is very important in the life of a believer.
MORAL......REAL ACTION.....IN THE REAL WORLD
Matthew 22:36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 .) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 .) This is the first and great commandment.
39 .) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 .) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Unless you believe Jesus meant this to be a "ceremonial act" and not a real life walk.
MORAL........REAL ACTION........IN THE REAL WORLD
Matthew 25:41) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 .) For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 .) I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 .) Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 .) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 .) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Unless you believe that those who failed to do these things will only "ceremonially" go away into everlasting punishment.
As for Ceremonial commandments, we have the celebration of Communion, Water Baptism and Foot Washing for starters. While they are experienced physically, they are ceremonial in their practice.
I fully agree that many of the 613 Laws are ceremonial in nature/practice, but not all of them. One has to understand the difference between practical application and ceremonial observance I suppose. The Laws concerning murder and all sorts of illicit sexual activity can't possibly be viewed as ceremonial for they are addressing real physical practical applications.
Possibly you have Scripture to support your view?
(edited to add)
BTW: If you believe in the Two Greatest Commandments listed above, and believe that the church today is to keep those commandments, you also are a legalist. For they are Commandments/Laws given by Jesus to the church to be obeyed, and, in obeying them, you become an observer of these two...............ergo..........legalist.
It just works out that obedience is very important in the life of a believer.
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I think that when the change of preisthood and the law changed that everything Jesus wanted us to know about the Old Testament He brought over to the New. That is the only way Romans 3;19 makes sense. Also, we must remember that even though he brought commandments over we must live by the Spirit in order to obey them.
Keep in mind, the gospel was preached to Abraham. The gospel has always been known to those who were men of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is spoken of and prophesied throughout the Writings, the Prophets and the Torah. He fulfills all that is spoken of Him in His first advent.
Always remember, the first converts until after paul were taught from what you call the Old Testament.
Jesus being the Word, and He being God, gave us all of theWord. He being our Salvation and Teacher teaches us how to obey. I cannot say any other words than the law or the commandments of God ae what we are to obey after the pattern of Jesus Christ without those who still fear the law thinking this means being under the law.
Because of the grace given by Jesus Chrisst from the Cross, we no longer need to fear the curse of the law, for we do not need fear punishment and death for our transgression. This is not licese to sin, as taught through Paul quite clearly.
Again, as taught by Paul, the gift of our faith in Jesus Christ establishes teh law, but not th ecurse of it which has been destroyed.
The law is no longer engraved on stone, it is an intregal part of our new man. If you say the law was our tutor beforew we came to Jesus Chrisst, you are correct, but anyone who is learned of the lw knows teh law, and knowing Jesus Christ gives teh knowledge of using the law lawfully. We are not under the law for sin has not power over us now that we are renewed in Jesus Christ.
Does all of this mean we may disrespect our parents with impunity? Rob? Steal ? Lie? Covet all we see? Keep the garment we find of our enemy? Seek revenge? Move the landmarks of our neighbors? and so on and so on. If the law was your turor do you knowit well enough to make reference to it? If not, you never had the tutilege, and your claims to have had the tutor are vapour.
Knowing the law after coming to Christ does not take away our salvation, as long as we are aware sin no longer has any power over us, but saying you were convicted by the law before coming to Christ without having had it as your tutor is the worsst of falsehoods, fo rit is lying to onseelf.
Teaching aginst the law will not send anyone into the lake of fire, but it does diminish their stature in the Kingdom of God..
As for which laws we are to observe, if they do not hang on Love, and God is Love, they may be ignored. If they to no show mercy, they may be ignored. If they require a sacrifice for sin, of course they may be ignored for theere isbut ONE sacrifice for sin, our blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Thhik on this. You are no longer under the law, and breaking a law is not going to send you to hell, but we do not sin deliberately, and what is sin? It is breaking the law, or do you have a different adn new definition of sin?
Praise Jesus Christ, walkin in grace, and fear not the truth. god bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.
Always remember, the first converts until after paul were taught from what you call the Old Testament.
Jesus being the Word, and He being God, gave us all of theWord. He being our Salvation and Teacher teaches us how to obey. I cannot say any other words than the law or the commandments of God ae what we are to obey after the pattern of Jesus Christ without those who still fear the law thinking this means being under the law.
Because of the grace given by Jesus Chrisst from the Cross, we no longer need to fear the curse of the law, for we do not need fear punishment and death for our transgression. This is not licese to sin, as taught through Paul quite clearly.
Again, as taught by Paul, the gift of our faith in Jesus Christ establishes teh law, but not th ecurse of it which has been destroyed.
The law is no longer engraved on stone, it is an intregal part of our new man. If you say the law was our tutor beforew we came to Jesus Chrisst, you are correct, but anyone who is learned of the lw knows teh law, and knowing Jesus Christ gives teh knowledge of using the law lawfully. We are not under the law for sin has not power over us now that we are renewed in Jesus Christ.
Does all of this mean we may disrespect our parents with impunity? Rob? Steal ? Lie? Covet all we see? Keep the garment we find of our enemy? Seek revenge? Move the landmarks of our neighbors? and so on and so on. If the law was your turor do you knowit well enough to make reference to it? If not, you never had the tutilege, and your claims to have had the tutor are vapour.
Knowing the law after coming to Christ does not take away our salvation, as long as we are aware sin no longer has any power over us, but saying you were convicted by the law before coming to Christ without having had it as your tutor is the worsst of falsehoods, fo rit is lying to onseelf.
Teaching aginst the law will not send anyone into the lake of fire, but it does diminish their stature in the Kingdom of God..
As for which laws we are to observe, if they do not hang on Love, and God is Love, they may be ignored. If they to no show mercy, they may be ignored. If they require a sacrifice for sin, of course they may be ignored for theere isbut ONE sacrifice for sin, our blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Thhik on this. You are no longer under the law, and breaking a law is not going to send you to hell, but we do not sin deliberately, and what is sin? It is breaking the law, or do you have a different adn new definition of sin?
Praise Jesus Christ, walkin in grace, and fear not the truth. god bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.
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Hebrews 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds. This shows us there is a clear distinction from the word of the prophets and the word from His Son.
I am very sorry when people exclude the OT from teh NT. Those names are references to things that exist in both of the testaments.
If people believes the one compilation negated the first compilation it is a terrible shame.
As for knowing what I have studied these pas many decades, you cannot judge me on this, God does.
According to your thinking the first believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ cannot be saves since all of their references were preaching and expounding on the presence of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament, from Genesis to Malachi.
The Ethiopian is lost because He was taught by Andrew from the Book of Isaiah, my first book to read in the word.
Your manner of understanding condemns people up to th e time the New Testament was compiled, long after the Apstles and Paul.
Yes, they were eventaught the law and how it figures after grace is in our lives because of teh good an great Sacrifice of the Lamb of God for our sins.
I will continue using Jesus Christ as my Example and Teacher. I may ask that you take heed of His teachings at least, for if you truly learn His teachings, you need nothing more. Those who did not have the Book called the New TEstament did believe the Apostles, the Tanakh, and, of course the teachings given them by Jesus Christ, and finally by the Holy Spirit.
If people believes the one compilation negated the first compilation it is a terrible shame.
As for knowing what I have studied these pas many decades, you cannot judge me on this, God does.
According to your thinking the first believers in the Gospel of Jesus Christ cannot be saves since all of their references were preaching and expounding on the presence of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament, from Genesis to Malachi.
The Ethiopian is lost because He was taught by Andrew from the Book of Isaiah, my first book to read in the word.
Your manner of understanding condemns people up to th e time the New Testament was compiled, long after the Apstles and Paul.
Yes, they were eventaught the law and how it figures after grace is in our lives because of teh good an great Sacrifice of the Lamb of God for our sins.
I will continue using Jesus Christ as my Example and Teacher. I may ask that you take heed of His teachings at least, for if you truly learn His teachings, you need nothing more. Those who did not have the Book called the New TEstament did believe the Apostles, the Tanakh, and, of course the teachings given them by Jesus Christ, and finally by the Holy Spirit.
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You know JaimeJ God gives us free will and we are free to chose, but He also said that those who want to be under the law have to obey it fully and that is something only Jesus could do. Make sure you realize that I'm am not saying that we should break the law, I'm am just saying that the law is where sin gets it's power and that it is only when we live by the Spirit that we are able to meet God's requirements.
As for being under the law, i have already debunked this idea as being in my criteria given by the Holy Spirit. Were you to read my responses to you, you would have known this.
As for what I read, all that I post is based on what I have learned from study of the entire Bible. The majority of it is the Old Testament. Old Testament does not translate the entire compilation of the Word contained therein is obsolete, not at all.
I share what has been given me to understand. I will not plead with you to understand what I have responded to you, because you are answering to my posts it seems, without having rad them. Thak you. May God bless you.......
As for what I read, all that I post is based on what I have learned from study of the entire Bible. The majority of it is the Old Testament. Old Testament does not translate the entire compilation of the Word contained therein is obsolete, not at all.
I share what has been given me to understand. I will not plead with you to understand what I have responded to you, because you are answering to my posts it seems, without having rad them. Thak you. May God bless you.......
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Brother Jaume,
your precious witness was deeply moving to both of us and may we share that we have experienced
very similar revelations from our heavenly Father; He is like an artist that never paints the same picture twice -
He reminds us that He values and acknowledges each of us on a personal level.
'He works in an infinite amount of ways ..
like the apostle John concludes, John 21:25 -
'And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one,
I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the Books that would be written.' AMEN
your precious witness was deeply moving to both of us and may we share that we have experienced
very similar revelations from our heavenly Father; He is like an artist that never paints the same picture twice -
He reminds us that He values and acknowledges each of us on a personal level.
'He works in an infinite amount of ways ..
like the apostle John concludes, John 21:25 -
'And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one,
I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the Books that would be written.' AMEN
Think about what you are saying. First I say, that the law is no more or less than God's spiritual holy and just word. I'm talking what was given, perfect and unadulterated to Israel by God.
So you are insinuating that God issued to Israel instructions to obey and those instructions gave power to disobedience.
I cannot serve a God that would assist us in our own self destruction giving us a tool that gives power what will destroy us. That's totally illogical.
Doesn't the Bible say that we live by every word God has and will ever speak? The Bible doesn't say that some words that God has spoken in the past are meant to cause us to sin, now that he has given us a better covenant.
The Bible doesn't say that God's spoken word/law/Torah increases sin's strength and sin's destruction upon us leading us to our own destruction if we obey it by faith. That's like saying it is God's desire to destroy anyone that takes His Torah seriously, recognizing it as being good for instruction in righteousness.
"The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law." 1 Corinthians 15:56
I give you the proper interpretation as follows;
When the law is diminished, and unrecognized, so does the knowledge of sin diminish without recognition even though it's still there. The more the law is studied and recognized, the more we are aware of what sin really is, and recognize it. The law doesn't make the sin come and go accordingly. The law explains sin and clarifies it, and the strength of sin is elucidated by the Torah/law.
So you are insinuating that God issued to Israel instructions to obey and those instructions gave power to disobedience.
I cannot serve a God that would assist us in our own self destruction giving us a tool that gives power what will destroy us. That's totally illogical. Doesn't the Bible say that we live by every word God has and will ever speak? The Bible doesn't say that some words that God has spoken in the past are meant to cause us to sin, now that he has given us a better covenant.
The Bible doesn't say that God's spoken word/law/Torah increases sin's strength and sin's destruction upon us leading us to our own destruction if we obey it by faith. That's like saying it is God's desire to destroy anyone that takes His Torah seriously, recognizing it as being good for instruction in righteousness.
"The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law." 1 Corinthians 15:56
I give you the proper interpretation as follows;
When the law is diminished, and unrecognized, so does the knowledge of sin diminish without recognition even though it's still there. The more the law is studied and recognized, the more we are aware of what sin really is, and recognize it. The law doesn't make the sin come and go accordingly. The law explains sin and clarifies it, and the strength of sin is elucidated by the Torah/law.
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Present the scripture you are referring to that agrees with what Jesus said, and what the law says.
"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live." Deuteronomy 8:3
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4
Instructions of "agape love" are first writing in Leviticus and Deuteronomy which are both the Pentateuch or, if you will, the Torah. That is where we find details of how to exact the loving of God and our neighbor as we do ourselves. Keep in mind that everything Jesus taught before His death was Old Testament. Deny the Old Testament and you have to deny what Jesus taught before the crucification.
I'll post them for your edification if you would like. Just say the word.
"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live." Deuteronomy 8:3
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4
Instructions of "agape love" are first writing in Leviticus and Deuteronomy which are both the Pentateuch or, if you will, the Torah. That is where we find details of how to exact the loving of God and our neighbor as we do ourselves. Keep in mind that everything Jesus taught before His death was Old Testament. Deny the Old Testament and you have to deny what Jesus taught before the crucification.
I'll post them for your edification if you would like. Just say the word.
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What about the next ?
Hebrew 6:1-8
1. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2. Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3. And this will we do, if God permit.
4. For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
7. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8. But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned.
1Timothy
18. This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
19. Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
20. Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Hebrew 6:1-8
1. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2. Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3. And this will we do, if God permit.
4. For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
7. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8. But that which beareth thorns and briers [is] rejected, and [is] nigh unto cursing; whose end [is] to be burned.
1Timothy
18. This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
19. Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
20. Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
I wonderif you found, in the NT, where Jesus indicates our faith is the faith of Abraham?
Did you read where Jesus teaches that not one of the laws will be changed?
Did you readwhere Jesus teaches anyone teaching agains the least of the laws will be least in heaven.
Did you read the beatitudes and the woes? They are from the OT:
Did you read that in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God?
Did you read Psalm 22 describing Jesus Christ on the Cross?
Did you read in Zecharias, chapter 3, about Jesus being given the mission to take away the sin of the world in one day.
Did you read the warning against not obeying th ecommandments of God in Revelation?
Did you read in John that we are bless wh do teh commandments of God.
Did you read the New Testament?
Did you read the Old Testament.
You are attempting to refute those who have and do read both with understanding. Your reasoning is teh reasoning of acultist who has been conditioned to reply the same no matter what reason is demonstrated in your presence. It is no better than being a parrot.
Did you read where Jesus teaches that not one of the laws will be changed?
Did you readwhere Jesus teaches anyone teaching agains the least of the laws will be least in heaven.
Did you read the beatitudes and the woes? They are from the OT:
Did you read that in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God?
Did you read Psalm 22 describing Jesus Christ on the Cross?
Did you read in Zecharias, chapter 3, about Jesus being given the mission to take away the sin of the world in one day.
Did you read the warning against not obeying th ecommandments of God in Revelation?
Did you read in John that we are bless wh do teh commandments of God.
Did you read the New Testament?
Did you read the Old Testament.
You are attempting to refute those who have and do read both with understanding. Your reasoning is teh reasoning of acultist who has been conditioned to reply the same no matter what reason is demonstrated in your presence. It is no better than being a parrot.
Is it amazing how we all are fulfilling the scriptures , is not it? I am feeling so exited of that! God is always in perfect control of the creation ))
Rom.10:19-20. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by [them that are] no people, [and] by a foolish nation I will anger you.But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
, is not it? I am feeling so exited of that! God is always in perfect control of the creation )) Rom.10:19-20. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by [them that are] no people, [and] by a foolish nation I will anger you.But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.