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John was warning the brethen against a false believer's wrong theology. Claiming that we have no sin is in context to the sessionists who were claiming they had no sin charged to their account. Sort of like the Antinomian today who says all sin is forgiven, past, present, and future. 1 John 1:8 is in context to 1 John 1:7 and 1 John 1:6. You cannot say you have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness otherwise you are a liar. 1 John 2:4 says the same thing but using different words. It says if we say we know him and do not keep his commandments, we are a liar. So 1 John 1:8 cannot be in reference to saying we will forever break God's Commands. I John 1:7 says clearly if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. So 1 John 1:8 cannot be in reference to how you will forever be a slave to some type of sin in your life. 1 John 1:8 is talking to those who claim that sin does not exist for them on any level. However, the real believer will admit sin is very real if sin does happen to arrive and they will.... do what? Confess their sin (1 John 1:9).
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if this is the case. I would say no one will make it to heaven. We may not all have alcohol, drug or sexual addictions. but we ALL have our besetting sin. which many of us may never overcome completely.
Just because it is not one of the petty sins eople like Jason here like to focus on. does not mean it is any less sinfull in the eyes of a holy and righteous God
Just because it is not one of the petty sins eople like Jason here like to focus on. does not mean it is any less sinfull in the eyes of a holy and righteous God
Amen to that...going to be a lot of people begging to enter based upon what they have done and their own righteousness....many like him will argue with Jesus and point out that he was sinless and righteous in his standing, always did what was right, is perfect, holy and deserves to enter.....we know what happens to them....tragic for sure as the truth has been given umpteen times to no avail......!
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I am not sure why people like you would make such false claims that ANYONE is saying sin is ok. while yourself. claim sin is ok (your sin is ok with God. because you do not do the pet sins, so you are ok)
Na, the difference is you HIDE, Deny and reject the fact you still have sin issues, and would be rightly condemned where you stand if not for Christ, You Are decieved into thinking your ok. Where as we KNOW we are sinners, and rightly condemned. And need grace to save us.
Na, the difference is you HIDE, Deny and reject the fact you still have sin issues, and would be rightly condemned where you stand if not for Christ, You Are decieved into thinking your ok. Where as we KNOW we are sinners, and rightly condemned. And need grace to save us.
First, nowhere does God ever condone a believer or any person for that matter that their evil is okay. Second, there is no actual set of verses saying you can sin and still be saved, either. Third, there is no real world illustration that you can use to even prove your belief, too. Yet, Jesus made many real world examples to illustrate spiritual truth. Four, the Scriptures say, be not deceived, he that does righteousness is righteous. They also say that he that does righteousness is of God. Yet they also say that he that sins is of the devil. So who am I going to believe? You or the Bible? Well, I choose the Bible.
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Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
i suppose now you believe there is NONE that seeketh after God, that there is NONE righteous, that there is NONE that doeth Good? You do not understand these verses.
True, this does not mean one can't become Righteous.
Anyone who says they have never sinned, or have no sins whatsoever, do not know the Truth. Even though i no longer continue to sin against my Savior Jesus Christ, and He gives me Strength and Power to overcome EVERY temptation that the devil throws at me, i HAVE sinned, probably more then most on this board. But just because i no longer knowingly and willingly commit sin against Jesus Christ, i can never say i have no sin.
True, and there was not a just man in the days of Noah either, this does not mean there are no just men today.
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Well golly gee, why do you think it does. you think your sin is not evil. What makes you better than everyone else?
Oh really? David, Abraham, Paul. I can go on and on and on.
Eternal life can not be eternal life if it can be lost. it would be conditional life. Eternal life proves one is saved forever, As Jesus said in john 6. Whoever believes in him will never die, live forever, never hunger or thirst. Has eternal life, and will be raised (vs being delivered) on the last day.
sorry. But scripture does not support your pharisee doctrine.
Oh really? David, Abraham, Paul. I can go on and on and on.
Eternal life can not be eternal life if it can be lost. it would be conditional life. Eternal life proves one is saved forever, As Jesus said in john 6. Whoever believes in him will never die, live forever, never hunger or thirst. Has eternal life, and will be raised (vs being delivered) on the last day.
sorry. But scripture does not support your pharisee doctrine.
i do not recall you ever saying that you have permission to sin. All those who believe it is OK to sin NEVER say they have permission to sin. They say things like, even though i sin every day, i am still going to Heaven. Or Even though i sin every day and never cease from those sins, i am under Grace, under the Blood of Jesus, SAVED, and therefore still going to Heaven, even though i sin every single day without ceasing from those sins. But i do not recall anyone who believes that they are OK if they continue to sin, that they have permission to do so.
For someone who claims to know and teach the Truth, you do not know Scriptures very well do you? Tell me, is not one of the requirements to be SAVED, is to believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead? Yes or No? The answer is Yes. When Jesus was taken from the Disciples what did they do? They all ran and hid themselves in FEAR. They feared the same fate of being crucified. Does that sound like men that are SAVED? Tell me How can the Disciples believe that Jesus dies and rose from the dead BEFORE He actually rose from the dead? All of them doubted Mary when they were told He is risen, they had seen the LORD, They were NOT Saved, they did not believe the Lord was alive and rose from the dead, which is a REQUIREMENT FOR ONE TO BE SAVED. If Jesus would never have rose from the dead and revealed Himself to His Disciples, they would never have preached the Word of God to anyone at all, they would have fled to never have been heard from again. They did NOT believe Jesus was the Truly the Son of God, even though Peter said out of his mouth that He was when Jesus was alive. But we see how True that Belief was when he denied even knowing Jesus three times, why did he do that, because he did not Truly believe Jesus was the SON of God. It was not until Jesus rose from the dead, that they Disciples Truly believed Jesus was indeed the Son of the Living God, it is only then they went into the street preaching the Gospel with boldness and Faith, it was only then they Truly became SAVED. You may believe all that is ridiculous, But just because you think it is, doesn't now change the TRUTH.
i never said Isaiah was not just. you did that. You made a list of all the Holy men in the men how you believed they all committed sin, i only defended them against your accusation against them, you accusing them of sin. i never said Isaiah was not a just man, i know he was a just, Holy man, you are the one saying he committed some kind of sin.
If you say that it is sin, then show the Scriptures where He sinned? Show us all the law he transgressed. Know you not that the new covenant did not start until the moment it was witnessed that Jesus rose from the dead? Everyone was still under the laws, under the old covenant UNTIL the new covenant began, that new covenant began the moment Jesus rose from the dead.
You made a list of all these holy men that committed sin, you listed Daniel as one of them also. Yet you did not show anyone where Daniel committed a sin, Daniel repented for his people. Are you now suggesting that if i repent for my people that i have somehow committed a sin by doing so? Is that what you are suggesting, that Daniel committed a sin because he repented for his people? You do error, and do not understand the Truth, nor will you accept the Truth when it is presented to you.
You accuse Father Abraham as being deceptive, Tell me, HOW was he deceptive. Know you not Scriptures, do you not teach Scriptures to people, yet you do not know the Scriptures.
Gen 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
Gen 20:12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
So then according to you, Abraham was deceptive, yet according to the Word of God that you just read above, he was telling the TRUTH and was not deceptive at all. And now if i say unto you, that you should repent of accusing Father Abraham as being deceptive, will you again say to me it is uncalled for?
How did he sin? There was no law stating he could not do so, there was no law stating how many wives he could have. During Abraham's life, there was only two covenants made between God and Abraham, that His seed would be as the number of stars and that he must circumcise all male children. There was NO LAW stating he could not have sex with Hagar. NONE, He did not wrong, he broke no law, he committed NO SIN. Do you still accuse him of sin?
Friend i have done you no wrong. i merely said you should repent of accusing HOLY MEN OF GOD as committing sins, which they did not do. If you want to accuse HOLY MEN as committing sin, then so be it, have at it. But if i did such an evil thing, and someone pointed out to me that they did not sin, i would most assuredly repent of falsely accusing HOLY MEN OF GOD of committing sin when they did not do so. whether you repent of it or not, what is that to me? That is on you.
it is just a suggestion, but i would not teach the Word of God to people if you do not know the Word of God. i have read the entire Word of God over 80 times in my life and still learning, but only teach what i KNOW to be True, KNOW to be Scripturally accurate. You seem to teach based solely on what you personally believe is the Truth, and therefore accuse HOLY MEN OF GOD of committing sin because that is what you personally believe they did. For example accusing Abraham as being deceptive when the Word of God teaches he was telling the Truth, and accusing him of sinning with Hagar when there was no law that forbid it. You would not have accused him of these thing if you would have done your research in the Word before making such accusations against him.
Again just a suggestion, before you teach the Word, learn the Word.
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For someone who claims to know and teach the Truth, you do not know Scriptures very well do you? Tell me, is not one of the requirements to be SAVED, is to believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead? Yes or No? The answer is Yes. When Jesus was taken from the Disciples what did they do? They all ran and hid themselves in FEAR. They feared the same fate of being crucified. Does that sound like men that are SAVED? Tell me How can the Disciples believe that Jesus dies and rose from the dead BEFORE He actually rose from the dead? All of them doubted Mary when they were told He is risen, they had seen the LORD, They were NOT Saved, they did not believe the Lord was alive and rose from the dead, which is a REQUIREMENT FOR ONE TO BE SAVED. If Jesus would never have rose from the dead and revealed Himself to His Disciples, they would never have preached the Word of God to anyone at all, they would have fled to never have been heard from again. They did NOT believe Jesus was the Truly the Son of God, even though Peter said out of his mouth that He was when Jesus was alive. But we see how True that Belief was when he denied even knowing Jesus three times, why did he do that, because he did not Truly believe Jesus was the SON of God. It was not until Jesus rose from the dead, that they Disciples Truly believed Jesus was indeed the Son of the Living God, it is only then they went into the street preaching the Gospel with boldness and Faith, it was only then they Truly became SAVED. You may believe all that is ridiculous, But just because you think it is, doesn't now change the TRUTH.
i never said Isaiah was not just. you did that. You made a list of all the Holy men in the men how you believed they all committed sin, i only defended them against your accusation against them, you accusing them of sin. i never said Isaiah was not a just man, i know he was a just, Holy man, you are the one saying he committed some kind of sin.
If you say that it is sin, then show the Scriptures where He sinned? Show us all the law he transgressed. Know you not that the new covenant did not start until the moment it was witnessed that Jesus rose from the dead? Everyone was still under the laws, under the old covenant UNTIL the new covenant began, that new covenant began the moment Jesus rose from the dead.
You made a list of all these holy men that committed sin, you listed Daniel as one of them also. Yet you did not show anyone where Daniel committed a sin, Daniel repented for his people. Are you now suggesting that if i repent for my people that i have somehow committed a sin by doing so? Is that what you are suggesting, that Daniel committed a sin because he repented for his people? You do error, and do not understand the Truth, nor will you accept the Truth when it is presented to you.
You accuse Father Abraham as being deceptive, Tell me, HOW was he deceptive. Know you not Scriptures, do you not teach Scriptures to people, yet you do not know the Scriptures.
Gen 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.
Gen 20:12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
So then according to you, Abraham was deceptive, yet according to the Word of God that you just read above, he was telling the TRUTH and was not deceptive at all. And now if i say unto you, that you should repent of accusing Father Abraham as being deceptive, will you again say to me it is uncalled for?
How did he sin? There was no law stating he could not do so, there was no law stating how many wives he could have. During Abraham's life, there was only two covenants made between God and Abraham, that His seed would be as the number of stars and that he must circumcise all male children. There was NO LAW stating he could not have sex with Hagar. NONE, He did not wrong, he broke no law, he committed NO SIN. Do you still accuse him of sin?
Friend i have done you no wrong. i merely said you should repent of accusing HOLY MEN OF GOD as committing sins, which they did not do. If you want to accuse HOLY MEN as committing sin, then so be it, have at it. But if i did such an evil thing, and someone pointed out to me that they did not sin, i would most assuredly repent of falsely accusing HOLY MEN OF GOD of committing sin when they did not do so. whether you repent of it or not, what is that to me? That is on you.
it is just a suggestion, but i would not teach the Word of God to people if you do not know the Word of God. i have read the entire Word of God over 80 times in my life and still learning, but only teach what i KNOW to be True, KNOW to be Scripturally accurate. You seem to teach based solely on what you personally believe is the Truth, and therefore accuse HOLY MEN OF GOD of committing sin because that is what you personally believe they did. For example accusing Abraham as being deceptive when the Word of God teaches he was telling the Truth, and accusing him of sinning with Hagar when there was no law that forbid it. You would not have accused him of these thing if you would have done your research in the Word before making such accusations against him.
Again just a suggestion, before you teach the Word, learn the Word.
^i^ Responding to post # 914
Eternal life is only granted to those whose names are written in the Book of Life. Eternal life is granted to those who are accepted on Judgment Day.
Granted right now i am Saved, my name is written in the Book of life. But does that mean i can't fall away from the Faith? Heavens no.
It is plainly written that a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life. What? That means a persons name WAS at one time written in the Book of Life, then it was REMOVED from the Book of Life. Let Scriptures be True and what men teach lies.
Scriptures which plainly teach a persons name can be REMOVED from the Book of Life.
Rev 22:19
Exodus 32:32-33
Psalms 51:11 and 69:28 and 109:13-14
Rev 3:5
Duet 29:20
Isaiah 43:25 and 44:22
When does the Blood of Jesus cleanseth us from all sin? Men will tell you when you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior you will ALWAYS be cleansed. But what does the Word of God say and teach:
1Jn 1:7 But if (CONDITIONAL) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
When, according to the inspired Word of God does the blood of Jesus cleanseth us from all sin? When we walk in the light and not walk in darkness, when we repent and cease from doing those wicked, evil, and sinful things. Woe to this generation who makes excuses for their sinning, and never ceases from their sinning, which is wickedness, evil, unholy, and ungodly. They continue to live in sin all the while saying Jesus is their Master and Savior and Lord, but they continue to put the Lord Jesus on the cross every single day to repent of their daily sins which they commit, and never ceasing from them, but instead make excuses for their wickedness "my flesh is weak" or "it's impossible to live without sinning" or Once Saved Always Saved lie from the pits of Hell itself. click on it if you want to see the many (MANY) verses which proves OSAS is a lie. And all for what? so they don't have to give up the sin that they so much enjoy doing. Much weeping and gnashing of teeth from this generation because they refuse to believe the Truth, so they can continue to live in sin guilt free.
But there is Good news. REPENT and cease to do those wicked sins, look to Jesus for help to overcome those sins. STOP sinning. What am i evil because i say stop sinning? i am saying stop obeying satan, i am saying only obey Jesus Christ, are these words of an evil person. But a generation that loves to sin, will not like anyone who teaches them to cease from that which they love to do, they would much rather listen to the false prophet behind the pulpits that teach OSAS. Believe the Scriptures NOT what men teach. Don't believe even me, believe the Word of God, and the Word of God teaches you how to overcome all your sinning, it teaches you Truth. Go and sin no more, NO it is not possible with man, it is not possible to do on your own, but with the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ in you, it is possible. He can help you to overcome every temptation that comes upon you. And he that endures to the end, the same shall be SAVED on Judgement Day, when they are Judged worthy to enter the Kingdom, when their name is still found in the Book of Life on Judgement Day
But this generation go on and think and believe you Salvation is secure, that you can't possibly lose it, that there is no amount of evil that you can do that will cause you to lose that Salvation, and be right where the devil wants you to be. i struggle not to sin every day. But if i believed the lie that this generation teaches, why should i struggle against sinning, when i can just commit sins, repent, and still be Heaven Bound? Because i know the Truth, sin is evil, sin is wicked, sin is AGAINST God. i do not sin against my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, i will not obey satan, the Lord's enemy. i belong to the Lord, He has bought me, i do nothing without Him, i am His, i do not sin, it upsets Him, He does not like me committing sin, it hurts Him when i don't look to Him for His help against temptations. i have no life, i have given up my life to serve only Him, i do not serve myself, i do not knowingly and willingly commit sin, which is nothing but selfishness on my part. i belong to Him, i am His slave, i don't do anything without His approval. If i can do this, i assure you so can you. Jesus gave His life for me, i have given my life for Him, i do not live this life to please myself, i live to please ONLY Him and Him only do i obey. i do not obey satan and his temptations, i obey the one who i serve. If i obey satan, he becomes my Master according to the Word of God, so then i do not obey him, i obey Jesus Christ and ONLY Jesus Christ in EVERYTHING i do. if i am able to do this, you can do this too. NO it is not easy, The Truth that i am telling you, and what must be done to have eternal life, is the narrow and difficult path that leads there, which only a very few will find. But i have told you the Truth concerning this narrow and difficult path, so that you may walk it to and be granted Eternal Life with Jesus Christ. But he that finds his life shall lose it, but to him/her that loses their life for Him, shall find it. i have no life, i live to please only Jesus Christ, i have died to this world and to its sins. i have sinned much, but i no longer continue to live in sins, and it is because of Him in me, and He helps me to live this way, it is His Strength and Power that helps me. He love me. He also loves you, and He is more than willing to help you to overcome your wicked things that you do as well. All sin is wickedness. Cease from it now, join me on that narrow and difficult path that only a very few will find. so few in fact it is like 1 our of 100,000 who claim with their mouths they are Christians. That is how few there will actually be. Heaven is not greedy or selfish. Heaven only desires those who LOVE ONE ANOTHER, not those who desire to please self, NOT those who are selfish. i have told you the Truth. Eternal life belongs to those who Truly believe and OBEY Jesus their Master and Savior and Lord.
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
WHO? Who is Jesus made author of Eternal Salvation too? To them that OBEY Him. And do you know what He commands? To LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Those who LOVE ONE ANOTHER will enter into Heaven, those who do not LOVE ONE ANOTHER but fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER will not enter into Heaven, those who walk on the other side of the street and fail to LOVE those in need, will not enter into the Kingdom of HEAVEN.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, (Please NOTE, these people call Him LORD) when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
i pray you are LOVING ONE ANOTHER and not one of the above who failed to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
^i^ Responding to post # 915
Granted right now i am Saved, my name is written in the Book of life. But does that mean i can't fall away from the Faith? Heavens no.
It is plainly written that a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life. What? That means a persons name WAS at one time written in the Book of Life, then it was REMOVED from the Book of Life. Let Scriptures be True and what men teach lies.
Scriptures which plainly teach a persons name can be REMOVED from the Book of Life.
Rev 22:19
Exodus 32:32-33
Psalms 51:11 and 69:28 and 109:13-14
Rev 3:5
Duet 29:20
Isaiah 43:25 and 44:22
When does the Blood of Jesus cleanseth us from all sin? Men will tell you when you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior you will ALWAYS be cleansed. But what does the Word of God say and teach:
1Jn 1:7 But if (CONDITIONAL) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
When, according to the inspired Word of God does the blood of Jesus cleanseth us from all sin? When we walk in the light and not walk in darkness, when we repent and cease from doing those wicked, evil, and sinful things. Woe to this generation who makes excuses for their sinning, and never ceases from their sinning, which is wickedness, evil, unholy, and ungodly. They continue to live in sin all the while saying Jesus is their Master and Savior and Lord, but they continue to put the Lord Jesus on the cross every single day to repent of their daily sins which they commit, and never ceasing from them, but instead make excuses for their wickedness "my flesh is weak" or "it's impossible to live without sinning" or Once Saved Always Saved lie from the pits of Hell itself. click on it if you want to see the many (MANY) verses which proves OSAS is a lie. And all for what? so they don't have to give up the sin that they so much enjoy doing. Much weeping and gnashing of teeth from this generation because they refuse to believe the Truth, so they can continue to live in sin guilt free.
But there is Good news. REPENT and cease to do those wicked sins, look to Jesus for help to overcome those sins. STOP sinning. What am i evil because i say stop sinning? i am saying stop obeying satan, i am saying only obey Jesus Christ, are these words of an evil person. But a generation that loves to sin, will not like anyone who teaches them to cease from that which they love to do, they would much rather listen to the false prophet behind the pulpits that teach OSAS. Believe the Scriptures NOT what men teach. Don't believe even me, believe the Word of God, and the Word of God teaches you how to overcome all your sinning, it teaches you Truth. Go and sin no more, NO it is not possible with man, it is not possible to do on your own, but with the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ in you, it is possible. He can help you to overcome every temptation that comes upon you. And he that endures to the end, the same shall be SAVED on Judgement Day, when they are Judged worthy to enter the Kingdom, when their name is still found in the Book of Life on Judgement Day
But this generation go on and think and believe you Salvation is secure, that you can't possibly lose it, that there is no amount of evil that you can do that will cause you to lose that Salvation, and be right where the devil wants you to be. i struggle not to sin every day. But if i believed the lie that this generation teaches, why should i struggle against sinning, when i can just commit sins, repent, and still be Heaven Bound? Because i know the Truth, sin is evil, sin is wicked, sin is AGAINST God. i do not sin against my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, i will not obey satan, the Lord's enemy. i belong to the Lord, He has bought me, i do nothing without Him, i am His, i do not sin, it upsets Him, He does not like me committing sin, it hurts Him when i don't look to Him for His help against temptations. i have no life, i have given up my life to serve only Him, i do not serve myself, i do not knowingly and willingly commit sin, which is nothing but selfishness on my part. i belong to Him, i am His slave, i don't do anything without His approval. If i can do this, i assure you so can you. Jesus gave His life for me, i have given my life for Him, i do not live this life to please myself, i live to please ONLY Him and Him only do i obey. i do not obey satan and his temptations, i obey the one who i serve. If i obey satan, he becomes my Master according to the Word of God, so then i do not obey him, i obey Jesus Christ and ONLY Jesus Christ in EVERYTHING i do. if i am able to do this, you can do this too. NO it is not easy, The Truth that i am telling you, and what must be done to have eternal life, is the narrow and difficult path that leads there, which only a very few will find. But i have told you the Truth concerning this narrow and difficult path, so that you may walk it to and be granted Eternal Life with Jesus Christ. But he that finds his life shall lose it, but to him/her that loses their life for Him, shall find it. i have no life, i live to please only Jesus Christ, i have died to this world and to its sins. i have sinned much, but i no longer continue to live in sins, and it is because of Him in me, and He helps me to live this way, it is His Strength and Power that helps me. He love me. He also loves you, and He is more than willing to help you to overcome your wicked things that you do as well. All sin is wickedness. Cease from it now, join me on that narrow and difficult path that only a very few will find. so few in fact it is like 1 our of 100,000 who claim with their mouths they are Christians. That is how few there will actually be. Heaven is not greedy or selfish. Heaven only desires those who LOVE ONE ANOTHER, not those who desire to please self, NOT those who are selfish. i have told you the Truth. Eternal life belongs to those who Truly believe and OBEY Jesus their Master and Savior and Lord.
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
WHO? Who is Jesus made author of Eternal Salvation too? To them that OBEY Him. And do you know what He commands? To LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Those who LOVE ONE ANOTHER will enter into Heaven, those who do not LOVE ONE ANOTHER but fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER will not enter into Heaven, those who walk on the other side of the street and fail to LOVE those in need, will not enter into the Kingdom of HEAVEN.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, (Please NOTE, these people call Him LORD) when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
i pray you are LOVING ONE ANOTHER and not one of the above who failed to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
^i^ Responding to post # 915
I agree with this as well........it is so simple that is why it requires child like faith......the simplicity that is found in Jesus......
Believe in Jesus=Saved
If you believe in your heart (mind) that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
How simple is that...clear cut for sure
I am not sure why OSAS argue with those who teach faith plus works. According to your post, DC, once they believe (faith in Jesus) they are positionally "saved" spiritually. So if they also believe works are needed, does that erase their salvation. They do believe in Jesus. Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be saying they are not saved even though they believe in Jesus, or they ARe saved but lose their salvation because they add works. So, a false belief can cause you to lose your salvation but no manner of evil works done in the flesh can?
1Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
5Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”[SUP]a[/SUP] 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ”[SUP]b[/SUP] (that is, to bring Christ down) 7“or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’ ”[SUP]c[/SUP] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[SUP]d[/SUP] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[SUP]e[/SUP] 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
I would like to know what you define as a "work". Is confessing with the mouth that Jesus is Lord a work. Is believing a work? Is obedience (If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[SUP]c[/SUP] in you.) a work. Is faith without works even a faith that can save? Not if you believe James. (
14What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[SUP]d[/SUP] ? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[SUP]e[/SUP] and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead
). The only time in the Scripture "faith alone" is mentioned when it specifically says NOT by faith alone.
Believe in Jesus=Saved
If you believe in your heart (mind) that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
How simple is that...clear cut for sure
I am not sure why OSAS argue with those who teach faith plus works. According to your post, DC, once they believe (faith in Jesus) they are positionally "saved" spiritually. So if they also believe works are needed, does that erase their salvation. They do believe in Jesus. Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be saying they are not saved even though they believe in Jesus, or they ARe saved but lose their salvation because they add works. So, a false belief can cause you to lose your salvation but no manner of evil works done in the flesh can?
1Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
5Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”[SUP]a[/SUP] 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ”[SUP]b[/SUP] (that is, to bring Christ down) 7“or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’ ”[SUP]c[/SUP] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[SUP]d[/SUP] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[SUP]e[/SUP] 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
I would like to know what you define as a "work". Is confessing with the mouth that Jesus is Lord a work. Is believing a work? Is obedience (If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[SUP]c[/SUP] in you.) a work. Is faith without works even a faith that can save? Not if you believe James. (
14What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[SUP]d[/SUP] ? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[SUP]e[/SUP] and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead
). The only time in the Scripture "faith alone" is mentioned when it specifically says NOT by faith alone.
J
Something about you guys who do these long, blabbering posts: there are those who recognize the pattern of a gospel perversion. You have to go on and on with man-made philosophical gymnastics and contortions, because this is required, to try and twist the simple gospel into your private interpretations and false gospel religion.
Cults do the exact same thing, cult leaders writing books to pervert the gospel, add to it, and take away from it: it requires a lot of long-winded dissertation to twist truth into knots. The Catch 22 is that you can't do without laying down all that blather, to put forth your false religion, yet I don't know who's even reading all your rot. One false sentence, and you're number is up.
A real predicament, and a lot of work, for nothing. Don't you know nobody throws away truth for a troll?
Cults do the exact same thing, cult leaders writing books to pervert the gospel, add to it, and take away from it: it requires a lot of long-winded dissertation to twist truth into knots. The Catch 22 is that you can't do without laying down all that blather, to put forth your false religion, yet I don't know who's even reading all your rot. One false sentence, and you're number is up.
A real predicament, and a lot of work, for nothing. Don't you know nobody throws away truth for a troll?