Is being a submissive wife really taboo?

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WolfGaming

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a good king , a righteous king, like king david with a heart after(following, obeying, seeking) yahweh's own heart,

serve yahweh and do what is right and what is good for the people.

a good king does not obey the people. nor does a master obey his servants.

the order is always put in place by yahweh. if it is followed obediently, humbly, then good results , especially by yahweh's hand (blessing).

if yahweh is disobeyed, no matter what the reason, then don't expect his blessing.
thank you brother.
 

jsr1221

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Yes I agree but there is a chain GOD first then Christ and then your husband second etc.
So are you implying a husband shouldn't satisfy his wife's needs, and marriage isn't a partnership where both parties work together,m
 
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WolfGaming

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So are you implying a husband shouldn't satisfy his wife's needs, and marriage isn't a partnership where both parties work together,m
i do but tell me why the man is juged more than the woman in a family heis the master of his family it is righten men do not be harsh with your wives ect .
 
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WolfGaming

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#85
How does Jesus come second to God? We don't separate them in our devotion.
I understand that God and Jesus are one but Jesus obeyed God so Jesus as well has a master the father.
 
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CeileDe

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You people are arguing with a 16 year old. His/her mind isn't fully developed yet.
 

notuptome

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I understand that God and Jesus are one but Jesus obeyed God so Jesus as well has a master the father.
Jesus said He came to do the will of the Father. Jesus said not My will but Thy will be done.

Jesus honored His earthly father and participated in the family just as any other Jewish boy of His age.

For the cause of Christ
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PoetMary, I can agree with what you are saying and realize that she is a bit off center with how far she takes things. If she wasn't even partially conflicted she wouldn't be seeking approval. Perhaps it is the Holy Spirit working in her. Some people are all or nothing, no middle ground. Hopefully her husband is a God fearing/loving Christian man who will give her the love and respect she deserves. If he is as loving and dominant as she is respectful and submissive then albeit, not the relationship I desire, it might work for both of them. BDSM refers to Bondage Dominance Sadism and Masochism based on sexual needs for arousal. S/D is more of a relationship lifestyle. It would most likely carry over into the bedroom as a woman would give herself completely to someone, needing to be dominated. It actually seems more primal as a woman would seek a strong male to give her strong offspring. Given the HUGE popularity of the Fifty Shades of Grey series among women it appears women abroad desire a more dominant partner. That's why we need to quit castrating the men and boys in society. Males hardly know what it means to take a stand anymore. Make no mistake it is planned. Psychologically through the media and biologically through our food sources, what makes man, MAN is being erased.
Actually, BDSM has several "meanings" that overlap with the DS. It stands for Bondage and Discipline, Dominance and Submission, and Sadism and Masochism. Dominance and submission is a clear part of the BDSM lifestyle, whether or not it is accompanied by the other aspects of BDSM.

The fact that so many women "loved" Fifty Shades of Grey doesn't mean that women want a more dominant partner, anymore than Die Hard, 007, or Fast and Furious mean that men want to steal cars, shoot people, and blow things up. It's *fantasy.* Additionally, (and this may be making too fine a point), Fifty Shades of Grey has little/nothing to do with actual BDSM.

As for the idea that men "hardly know what it means to take a stand," here's what I have to say: Stop being an acculturated sheep. The examined life IS worth living. If an individual can't be bothered to make the effort to engage in self-examination and determine which aspects of their acculturation are useful and which are not, then that's the problem of the individual. It's not society's job to feed into every possible ideology regarding manhood. It's certainly not a secular society's job to create in men a religious sense of manhood. The very idea that society should make it possible for an individual to avoid self-examination by teaching them perfectly is completely ridiculous.
 
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man is not ment to rule over his wife ? ok what do you say about this verse and just know I am not trying to be against girls or anything like that so long as you are following God you should be in a way master over your wife look at this verse.



Genesis 3:16-17 16To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you." 17Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.…

Yes, that is part of the CURSE of the FALL.

I'd like to introduce you to Jesus. The man who broke the back of satan and reversed the curse by his shed blood on the cross.

If you prefer to live under the curses of the Fall instead of the victory of the risen Christ, have at it. I prefer the model offered in the NT where man is the head of the family and is called to love his wife as Christ loves the Church (you know...by sacrificing his life for her---back to that shed blood thing).
 
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WolfGaming

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You people are arguing with a 16 year old. His/her mind isn't fully developed yet.
so you have no respect for me or what I have to say becase I am a stupid lil boy that knows very lil about anything that is what I am getting from you and sir I am not like most 16 year old boys, my knowledge may supersede my age.
 
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WolfGaming

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But is a man still not to rule over his house and everyone in it and that is why he will be juged more harshly
 
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SirsSubmissiveWife

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When I made this post it was me asking a genuine question. I was not trying to start a debate or be patronized, mocked, or be talked down to. I would never do that to anyone else. Sure my marriage might seem strange to some but all the scripture seems to contradict itself here. Some may not agree with my lifestyle choices but that does not make me any less God fearing as anyone else. And to clarify I do put God first. I am not seeking approval from anyone (trust me I've been with my husband for 8 years and married for 3 I'm confident in us and in God) I was just wondering how others see this and o suppose looking for similar make friends. I'm sorry for causing any issues but I did not like being attacked for simply having a different lifestyle than others.
 
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But is a man still not to rule over his house and everyone in it and that is why he will be juged more harshly
In the new testament, men are not instructed to "rule over." (That is not the language, nor the model used).

According to the NT, the man is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of his Church. He is to love his wife as Christ loves the Church. If you consider the life of Christ and how he demonstrated his authority, that would be an excellent example of how men are meant to exercise their authority. For example, Christ sacrificed his life for the sake of his Bride. Men *best* demonstrated their manhood in marriage by being servant-leaders who sacrifice their lives for the sake of their wives and families.

Having said that, I can think of no actual bible verses that indicate that men will be judged more harshly than women in a family system. (I'm not saying these verses don't exist, I can simply think of none. Feel free to post these verses and correct me if I'm misremembering). After all, both husbands and wives have authority over the children within their families.

I can think of instances where teachers and pastors will be judged more harshly because of the grave responsibilities attached to their roles.

As an aside: Please don't take to heart the comments regarding your age. You have thoughts and ideas you are exploring and you need to feel free to bring them to the table. Of course, you know I'm not going to coddle you either because of your age. :) But I do appreciate you chiming in with your interpretations and insights.
 
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WolfGaming

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When I made this post it was me asking a genuine question. I was not trying to start a debate or be patronized, mocked, or be talked down to. I would never do that to anyone else. Sure my marriage might seem strange to some but all the scripture seems to contradict itself here. Some may not agree with my lifestyle choices but that does not make me any less God fearing as anyone else. And to clarify I do put God first. I am not seeking approval from anyone (trust me I've been with my husband for 8 years and married for 3 I'm confident in us and in God) I was just wondering how others see this and o suppose looking for similar make friends. I'm sorry for causing any issues but I did not like being attacked for simply having a different lifestyle than others.
hey I was not attacking you sister I think you are doing great far more than a lot of wives and I agree with how you do it it kinda seemed like the chat people wanted to start a fight so just for the sake of fighting but I agree with you
 
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WolfGaming

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In the new testament, men are not instructed to "rule over." (That is not the language, nor the model used).

According to the NT, the man is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of his Church. He is to love his wife as Christ loves the Church. If you consider the life of Christ and how he demonstrated his authority, that would be an excellent example of how men are meant to exercise their authority. For example, Christ sacrificed his life for the sake of his Bride. Men *best* demonstrated their manhood in marriage by being servant-leaders who sacrifice their lives for the sake of their wives and families.

Having said that, I can think of no actual bible verses that indicate that men will be judged more harshly than women in a family system. (I'm not saying these verses don't exist, I can simply think of none. Feel free to post these verses and correct me if I'm misremembering). After all, both husbands and wives have authority over the children within their families.

I can think of instances where teachers and pastors will be judged more harshly because of the grave responsibilities attached to their roles.

As an aside: Please don't take to heart the comments regarding your age. You have thoughts and ideas you are exploring and you need to feel free to bring them to the table. Of course, you know I'm not going to coddle you either because of your age. :) But I do appreciate you chiming in with your interpretations and insights.
ok well tell me what it means to be the head of a house?
 
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When I made this post it was me asking a genuine question. I was not trying to start a debate or be patronized, mocked, or be talked down to. I would never do that to anyone else. Sure my marriage might seem strange to some but all the scripture seems to contradict itself here. Some may not agree with my lifestyle choices but that does not make me any less God fearing as anyone else. And to clarify I do put God first. I am not seeking approval from anyone (trust me I've been with my husband for 8 years and married for 3 I'm confident in us and in God) I was just wondering how others see this and o suppose looking for similar make friends. I'm sorry for causing any issues but I did not like being attacked for simply having a different lifestyle than others.
Technically, no one attacked YOU. Your philosophical ideas were attacked. That's pretty much par for the course when you post your ideas on a public forum.

Additionally, the only problem I have with what you posted is that it was a bit disingenuous. You weren't transparent about your "lifestyle," but instead engaged in a kind of "Christianspeak" in order to seek some kind of approval or acceptance. It's the slightly manipulative representation that I find objectionable. Personally, whatever a couple negotiates within the bounds of their marriage is their business. I don't have the energy or interest to micromanage the relationship of every couple I come across.
 
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Mitspa

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When I made this post it was me asking a genuine question. I was not trying to start a debate or be patronized, mocked, or be talked down to. I would never do that to anyone else. Sure my marriage might seem strange to some but all the scripture seems to contradict itself here. Some may not agree with my lifestyle choices but that does not make me any less God fearing as anyone else. And to clarify I do put God first. I am not seeking approval from anyone (trust me I've been with my husband for 8 years and married for 3 I'm confident in us and in God) I was just wondering how others see this and o suppose looking for similar make friends. I'm sorry for causing any issues but I did not like being attacked for simply having a different lifestyle than others.
I think your great...got any sisters or friends that think like you? :)
 
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WolfGaming

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Yes, that is part of the CURSE of the FALL.

I'd like to introduce you to Jesus. The man who broke the back of satan and reversed the curse by his shed blood on the cross.

If you prefer to live under the curses of the Fall instead of the victory of the risen Christ, have at it. I prefer the model offered in the NT where man is the head of the family and is called to love his wife as Christ loves the Church (you know...by sacrificing his life for her---back to that shed blood thing).
is that so well part of the curse is death, sin, pain in child birth and the man rules over the woman so tell me if Jesus did reversed the curse by his shed blood on the cross.
your words tell me why do people still die? sin? and women still have pain in child birth ? he came for the remission of sins and so we mite be forgiven.