Do you know why you are a protestant???

[KenAllan]

At least we True Christians read and study the Scriptures and accept the Truth from the Holy Spirit. Can you Catholics say the same thing? NO. You cannot.

For one major fact that God says for ALL have sinned, but yet the Catholics call God a liar and say Mary was without sin.

So its the Catholics who making up doctrines not in Scriptures to suite their own preconceived notions about Mary and God.

 

[secularhermit]

Anyone who appears to be outwardly religious by what they wear is obviously trying to draw attention to themselves and is false. Jesus said, "Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"

Let it be known that ourward religiousness has the same visual effect (of drawing attention) as religious literacy has.

The Lord Jesus NEVER boasted about being God´s chosen! (This was NOT boasting: Mat_12:6 )

He never did anything to draw attention over Him, instead of doing that, He clearly stated whom He wanted to please...

Joh 13:16 I tell you for certain that servants are not greater than their master, and messengers are not greater than the one who sent them.

Joh 15:20 Remember how I told you that servants are not greater than their master. So if people mistreat me, they will mistreat you. If they do what I say, they will do what you say.

 

[PeterJens]

OSAS - If a helicopter comes over you, throws down safety rope with harness and you strap your self it, you are saved.

If you get out a samuri sword slice the rope in half you are no longer saved. People do do this, or redefine the whole process into something else, and what they say is Jesus in their lives is only their own imagination.

Two many people when faced with a Holy God, want to say, no it is just about being friendly.
But we are not God, nor do we set the rules, or are the source of light. Only in the light do we see reality, and there do we see the layers of rebellion and its self justification.

Look at the catholic church. It compromised itself to get worldly sinners into heaven by paid for substitution.
The problem is we love our family, no matter how broken, and find it hard to separate this mourning from righteousness.
It is why Jesus said we have to hate our families, because they are just a shadow of the source of love itself.

God is a lonely place, where true communion is found. A real contradiction, yet true.

 

[JaumeJ]

There you go again, sobrino, making me proud of Jesus in you.........amen..

Let it be known that ourward religiousness has the same visual effect (of drawing attention) as religious literacy has.

The Lord Jesus NEVER boasted about being God´s chosen! (This was NOT boasting: Mat_12:6 )

He never did anything to draw attention over Him, instead of doing that, He clearly stated whom He wanted to please...

Joh 13:16 I tell you for certain that servants are not greater than their master, and messengers are not greater than the one who sent them.

Joh 15:20 Remember how I told you that servants are not greater than their master. So if people mistreat me, they will mistreat you. If they do what I say, they will do what you say.

 

[secularhermit]

There you go again, sobrino, making me proud of Jesus in you.........amen..

Family PRAYERS do well!

(I love ya, Jack!)

 

[MikeHenderson]

How can one lose their Salvation?

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.

How can you lose the Grace of God? What sin must one do to lose Grace which is from God and given to us by God?

I do not know of ANY sin that will remove the Grace of God from us.

We also receive Salvation by Faith. What sin can cause us to lose our Faith in God?

I do not know of ANY sin that will cause us to lose our Faith in God.

So how then do we lose Faith? We CAN reject our faith in God. We can say we do not believe in God and reject Him.

But the problem with this is once you have tossed aside your Faith in God you can never receive it back!

Hebrews 6:4-6
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Once you lose your salvation its Impossible to receive it again!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How can one lose their Salvation?

Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.

How can you lose the Grace of God? What sin must one do to lose Grace which is from God and given to us by God?

I do not know of ANY sin that will remove the Grace of God from us.

We also receive Salvation by Faith. What sin can cause us to lose our Faith in God?

I do not know of ANY sin that will cause us to lose our Faith in God.

So how then do we lose Faith? We CAN reject our faith in God. We can say we do not believe in God and reject Him.

But the problem with this is once you have tossed aside your Faith in God you can never receive it back!

Hebrews 6:4-6
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Once you lose your salvation its Impossible to receive it again!

They do not understand the term Grace. If one can lose salvation, they would have to lose grace, because they somehow, (even though they never deserved it to begin with) have done something, that even though they still do not deserve it, causes God to remove his offer of grace to them.

in a nutshell. they preach they are better than everyone else. and deny their own sin. or unworthyness

 

[ember]

Why you are not catholic?? or if you are a Catholic do you know what the other churches disagree??

I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe He is my Savior and that He died for my sins and rose again and lives forever more.

There are thousand if not millions of both Catholics and Protestants who are not Christians. They are simply religious.

I am not religious. I am a beliver in Christ.

I know why too! It is because God drew by His Spirit and I responded positively and continue to do so.

 

[secularhermit]

I´m a protester, because I´m learning how the humility of elders are teaching the youngers (Rom_9:12, Gen 25:23 and he told her: "Your two sons will become two separate nations. The younger of the two will be stronger, and the older son will be his servant." )

 

[secularhermit]

The Lord Jesus, COHERENTLY said:

Mar 10:44 And if you want to be first, you must be everyone's slave.

Mar 10:45 The Son of Man did not come to be a slave master, but a slave who will give his life to rescue many people.

Mar 10:45 For the Son of man also came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Mar 10:44 And if you want to be first, you must be everyone's slave.

Luk 22:27 Who do people think is the greatest, a person who is served or one who serves? Isn't it the one who is served? But I have been with you as a servant.

 

[tribesman]

Oh give me a home,
Where there's no Pope of Rome
Where there's nothing but Protestants stay.
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
And flute bands play The Sash every day.

No, no Pope of Rome
No chapels to sadden my eyes
No nuns and no priests
No Rosary beads
Every day is the 12th of July

Up a wee narrow close
Just by Brighton Cross
Aye it's there the place we call home
On the twelth there we join
To remember The Boyne
And to pray let's have no Pope of Rome

No, no Pope of Rome
No chapels to sadden my eyes
No nuns and no priests
No Rosary beads
Every day is the 12th of July

-No Pope of Rome

 

[Jason0047]

thats the problem with trying to put everyone in a group. It is not a protestant vs catholic issue.

Protestantism was not initially OSAS but it turned out that way, though (Because of the influence of Calvinism). For Martin Luther did not believe in Once Saved Always Saved. Granted, what is ironic is that many (but not all OSAS proponents) reject Calvinism yet when it comes to free will of the believer (of whether they can walk away from God or not, suddenly they no longer have a free will choice anymore).

Eternal security is from God. not some church.

Not true. Here is a....

Long List of Verses Refuting Eternal Security or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

• Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.

• Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.

• Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.

• Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.

• Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:25-26 - Forgive men’s sins against you, or God won’t forgive your sins against Him.

• Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.

• Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.

• Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.

• Mark 13:13 - But he who endures with his faith to the end (of his life) shall be saved eternally (Also seeMatthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Colossians 1:22-23, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 10:35-39, Revelation 2:10)

• Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).

• Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?

• Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.

• John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).

• John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.

• John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.

• John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?

• Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.

• Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.

• Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.

• Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.

• Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.

• Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.

• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.

• 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.

• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.

• Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.

• Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

• Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.

• Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.

• Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.

• Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
  … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.

• Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.

• Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

• Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.

• 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.

• 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.

• 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.

• 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).

• 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.

• Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.

• Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?

• Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

• Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.

• Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).

• Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).

• Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.

• Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.

• Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.

• Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.

• Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.

• Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.

• Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.

• James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.

• 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.

• 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.

• 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.

• 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.

• 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

• 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.

• 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.

• 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.

• Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality

• Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.

• Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death and Jesus will give you the crown of (eternal) life (Also see Mark 13:13above).

• Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).

• Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.

• Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.

• Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

• Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.

• Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.

Source Used:
Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS - BaptistBoard.com

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Protestantism was not initially OSAS but it turned out that way, though (Because of the influence of Calvinism). For Martin Luther did not believe in Once Saved Always Saved. Granted, what is ironic is that many (but not all OSAS proponents) reject Calvinism yet when it comes to free will of the believer (of whether they can walk away from God or not, suddenly they no longer have a free will choice anymore).



Not true. Here is a....

Long List of Verses Refuting Eternal Security or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

• Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.

• Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.

• Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.

• Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.

• Matthew 18:21-35, Mark 11:25-26 - Forgive men’s sins against you, or God won’t forgive your sins against Him.

• Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.

• Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.

• Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.

• Mark 13:13 - But he who endures with his faith to the end (of his life) shall be saved eternally (Also seeMatthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Colossians 1:22-23, 1 Timothy 4:16, Hebrews 10:35-39, Revelation 2:10)

• Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).

• Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?

• Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.

• John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).

• John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.

• John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.

• John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?

• Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.

• Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.

• Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.

• Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.

• Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.

• Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.

• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.

• 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.

• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.

• Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.

• Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

• Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

• Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.

• Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.

• Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.

• Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
  … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.

• Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.

• Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.

• Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.

• 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.

• 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.

• 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.

• 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).

• 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.

• Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.

• Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?

• Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

• Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.

• Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).

• Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).

• Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.

• Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.

• Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.

• Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.

• Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.

• Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.

• Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.

• James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.

• 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.

• 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.

• 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.

• 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.

• 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

• 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.

• 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.

• 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.

• Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality

• Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.

• Revelation 2:10 - Be faithful until death and Jesus will give you the crown of (eternal) life (Also see Mark 13:13above).

• Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).

• Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.

• Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.

• Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

• Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.

• Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.

• Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.

Source Used:
Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS - BaptistBoard.com

I can pull verses out of context and make it say anything I want also.

Eternal security is from God. it is HIS SALVATION, HIS GIFT, based on HIS PROMISE based in HIS ETERNAL PLAN OF THE AGES.

to say anything else is to deny God.

PS. I do not follow denominational, I got out of that when I left the baptist church, I follow God. no denomination has it 100 % right, not even your own, whatever that may be.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Probably because I grew up in a country with very few Catholics?
What matters is Jesus though. So far it has been the same message that has been preached in most Churches I have been to.
(Methodist, Church of Scotland, Catholic, Episcopal etc)

 

[Jason0047]

Let it be known that ourward religiousness has the same visual effect (of drawing attention) as religious literacy has.

The Lord Jesus NEVER boasted about being God´s chosen! (This was NOT boasting: Mat_12:6 )

He never did anything to draw attention over Him, instead of doing that, He clearly stated whom He wanted to please...

Joh 13:16 I tell you for certain that servants are not greater than their master, and messengers are not greater than the one who sent them.

Joh 15:20 Remember how I told you that servants are not greater than their master. So if people mistreat me, they will mistreat you. If they do what I say, they will do what you say.

Not sure what you are trying to say? Do you disagree with me? Exactly on what point?

 

[Jason0047]

I can pull verses out of context and make it say anything I want also.

Eternal security is from God. it is HIS SALVATION, HIS GIFT, based on HIS PROMISE based in HIS ETERNAL PLAN OF THE AGES.

to say anything else is to deny God.

PS. I do not follow denominational, I got out of that when I left the baptist church, I follow God. no denomination has it 100 % right, not even your own, whatever that may be.

Nothing out of context at all. Surely you can at least take 2-3 of those verses and explain them, no?

 

[Jason0047]

Sounds like the people who deny eternal security to me.

they put on a false clothing and appear to be righteous. but deny that inside they are sinful and in need of Christ.

While it is true that unregenerate relgiious men appear to do so outwardly to look good in front of others, you have not actually read and understood the Bible if you think we cannot live holy lives as a believer. Do a study on holiness and the believer. For it is why one is born again in the first place. They are given a new heart with new desires.

 

[MikeHenderson]

I think what the problem is that so many people claim to have received Salvation when in reality they have not received Salvation.

Look at the Catholics and see what they teach in receiving Salvation. Everything is based on the "Works" that they do.

Not everyone who says Lord, Lord has received Salvation.

Many people like the Catholics have a head knowledge of God, but not a Heart knowledge. They do believe in God, but they really do not want to follow God. Every Catholic I know follows Mary instead.

Its these who never had Salvation is the one's we view as losing their Salvation.

 

[Utah]

Some people count sheep to go to sleep. Some people count money. Others, well, what can I say?

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[mwc68]

At least we True Christians read and study the Scriptures and accept the Truth from the Holy Spirit. Can you Catholics say the same thing? NO. You cannot.

For one major fact that God says for ALL have sinned, but yet the Catholics call God a liar and say Mary was without sin.

So its the Catholics who making up doctrines not in Scriptures to suite their own preconceived notions about Mary and God.

Once again you have put God into a little box and then accuse Catholics of making things up. How bout your OSAS, which has been refuted successfully in other threads. How about your silly rapture theory that has been successfully refuted in other threads? You don't have all the answers are apparently following man made doctrine yourself!