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K
Romans 2:6-10
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
You err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. You clearly do not know the breadth of Scripture's teaching on salvation. If I say to someone, do these exercises and you will make yourself fitter, it does not mean that they are not already fit.
Salvation is OF GOD. Once we come to Jesus Christ and truly believe into Him we are saved with an everlasting salvation (Tit 3.5; Eph 2.8-9). We are accounted as righteous before God, reconciled to Him and born of the Spirit. This status is permanent. It means we are saved once for all.
Once we have entered under this status our Saviour begins the next step, His work of saving us from the power of sin through His cross (1 Cor 1.18). From the moment of becoming saved from the condemnation of sin we start being saved from the power of sin. That is what Paul is talking about here.. How do we ensure that our lives are gradually saved from the power of sin? By taking heed to our ways according to His word. It is not a question of 'gaining salvation' but of experiencing continuing salvation BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADT BEEN SAVED.
Well that is so true. The test of whether someone is truly saved is that they will continue in the faith grounded and settled, and will not be moved away from the hope of the Gospel. That is what our Saviour has promised. That we will never perish and none shall pluck us from His hand. They may appear by men's standards to backslide, but their Saviour will be with them and keep their faith settled in Him. THAT IS WHAT SALVATION IS ALL ABOUT. The Saviour keeping those who are His and never failing them or letting them go.,
Read the parable of the sower. Those sown in GOOD GROUND are fruitful in the end. Those who are bad ground cease to bear fruit, even though for a while they may seem fruitful.
T Very true. A Christian who wanders may even find himself in a position where God will take his life so that he will not be condemned with the world (1 Cor 11.29-32). But if a fellow-Christian steps in and prevents it by bringing about the man's restoration, he will save him from that death. It is speaking about physical death not eternal death. Uzzah in the Old Testament may well have been 'saved'. But he still died for touching the Ark. Ananias and Sapphyra may well have been saved but they died for lying to the Holy Spirit. None of these necessarily suffered eternal death.
And what is psuche? It is man's living breath (Gen 2.7). His inner life. His flesh may be destroyed but he will be saved (compare 1 Cor 5.5).
Do you regularly invent texts? LOL
Salvation is OF GOD. Once we come to Jesus Christ and truly believe into Him we are saved with an everlasting salvation (Tit 3.5; Eph 2.8-9). We are accounted as righteous before God, reconciled to Him and born of the Spirit. This status is permanent. It means we are saved once for all.
Once we have entered under this status our Saviour begins the next step, His work of saving us from the power of sin through His cross (1 Cor 1.18). From the moment of becoming saved from the condemnation of sin we start being saved from the power of sin. That is what Paul is talking about here.. How do we ensure that our lives are gradually saved from the power of sin? By taking heed to our ways according to His word. It is not a question of 'gaining salvation' but of experiencing continuing salvation BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADT BEEN SAVED.
Well that is so true. The test of whether someone is truly saved is that they will continue in the faith grounded and settled, and will not be moved away from the hope of the Gospel. That is what our Saviour has promised. That we will never perish and none shall pluck us from His hand. They may appear by men's standards to backslide, but their Saviour will be with them and keep their faith settled in Him. THAT IS WHAT SALVATION IS ALL ABOUT. The Saviour keeping those who are His and never failing them or letting them go.,
Read the parable of the sower. Those sown in GOOD GROUND are fruitful in the end. Those who are bad ground cease to bear fruit, even though for a while they may seem fruitful.
T Very true. A Christian who wanders may even find himself in a position where God will take his life so that he will not be condemned with the world (1 Cor 11.29-32). But if a fellow-Christian steps in and prevents it by bringing about the man's restoration, he will save him from that death. It is speaking about physical death not eternal death. Uzzah in the Old Testament may well have been 'saved'. But he still died for touching the Ark. Ananias and Sapphyra may well have been saved but they died for lying to the Holy Spirit. None of these necessarily suffered eternal death.
And what is psuche? It is man's living breath (Gen 2.7). His inner life. His flesh may be destroyed but he will be saved (compare 1 Cor 5.5).
Do you regularly invent texts? LOL
K
No, James 5:19-20 is not talking about physical death !!!
It is talking about the soul being destroyed in the eternal death in the lake of fire, and the Greek usage of soul here clearly teaches that.
1 Corinthians 11:29-30 is not speaking of physical death either, for it clearly says they will be condemned if they eat of an unworthy manner. Meaning they who do not walk in the faith properly are spiritual dead/condemned !!!
K
This has been handle extensively in the past....
This scripture has nothing to do with those who fall away, depart from the faith do to cares of the world (sins) or fall to false teaching.
This passage is clearly speaking of forms of the antichrist that came in with the purpose to defile the gospel of Christ, as the previous verse 18 shows this. You can not compare weak brethren in the faith to forms of the antichrist, as weak members of the faith do not have the purpose to defile the word of God. They instead because they are still struggling in the milk they can easily be influenced to be drawn away from false teaching, or fall away in a hard time.
This scripture has nothing to do with those who fall away, depart from the faith do to cares of the world (sins) or fall to false teaching.
This passage is clearly speaking of forms of the antichrist that came in with the purpose to defile the gospel of Christ, as the previous verse 18 shows this. You can not compare weak brethren in the faith to forms of the antichrist, as weak members of the faith do not have the purpose to defile the word of God. They instead because they are still struggling in the milk they can easily be influenced to be drawn away from false teaching, or fall away in a hard time.
psuche is a very innocuous word and simply indicates the inner man, the man himself. It has a wide variety of meanings. James gives no hint that he is talking about anything but physical death. Thus you are reading into Scripture what you WANT to see to support you case which in fact falls apart on examination. If James meant that why did he not say Hell? He uses the word earlier..
LOL talk about wresting the Scriptures to your own destruction. The literal Greek is 'many sleep'. Sleep always refers to physical death. BOOM BOOM
LOL talk about wresting the Scriptures to your own destruction. The literal Greek is 'many sleep'. Sleep always refers to physical death. BOOM BOOM
K
This is not a theoretical case in Romans 2:6-10.........
Apostle Paul is clearly teaching how we are to walk in the faith if we have eternal life abiding in us, and it is only those who continue in obeying the teachings of the Lord in the faith.
Those however who know the truth of salvation in the Lord, but continue to still sinful lifestyles and not obey how to walk in the faith will not receive salvation.
Trying to explain away an actual situation mentioned in the bible does no justice to God's word.
If God says it will happen, it will happen !!!
K
Wrong again as the Greek word psuche (soul) and its usage can clearly be looked up in a Greek usage study;
b. "the (human) soul in so far as it is so constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life": 3 John 1:2; ἀγρύπνειν ὑπέρ τῶν ψυχῶν, Hebrews 13:17;ἐπιθυμίαι, αἵτινες στρατεύονται κατά τῆς ψυχῆς, 1 Peter 2:11; ἐπίσκοπος τῶν ψυχῶν, 1 Peter 2:25; σῴζειν τάς ψυχάς,James 1:21; ψυχήν ἐκ θανάτου, from eternal death, James 5:20;σωτηρία ψυχῶν, 1 Peter 1:9; ἁγνίζειν τάς ψυχάς ἑαυτῶν, 1 Peter 1:22; (τάς ψυχάς πιστῷ κτίστῃ παρατίθεσθαι, 1 Peter 4:19).
This comes from Greek Lexicon that shows how the words are used...........
God is the only one that can destroy the soul, not man, and this is clearly shown in Matthew 10:28 and the bible clearly shows also this is done in the lake of fire.
I am not wrestling with scripture as you are the one that is ignoring that it clearly says they are eating and drinking damnation/condemnation to themselves. This can not be possible if there is not condemnation to those in Christ, but there still is condemnation to those who sow to the flesh or as in walk by the flesh and not by the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
K
Once again it is speaking of the spirit of antichrist (false teachers) who came in to pervert the gospel of Christ !!!
Those who fall away do to the false teaching, or return back to a sinful lifestyle are not false teachers that are perverting the gospel. They are ones who have either fallen to that apostasy because they were weak in the faith, or they get drawn away by giving into their lusts again.
James clearly teaches of this in James 1:13-15 where he says if those who are drawn away by their lusts and let them get full grown again to where they control them again it brings forth eternal death.