Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

[FreeNChrist]

Would a "legalist" as you define him ask you to confess your salvation by the Blood of Jesus Christ?

Obviously, yes.

 

[Magenta]

ANYWAYS, back to the topic at hand. Why didn't anyone answer my questions?

"So people, what do you think it is about judgement, mercy, and faith that made them "weightier matters of the law?" What does it mean that they are weightier? Do you think Jesus was saying to the hypocritical Pharisees that it was even possible for them to carry out these weightier matters?"

They adhered to the letter of the law while ignoring the Spirit of the law. Jesus addressed them multiple times, saying, "You have heard it was said... but I say unto you..." He was redirecting their attention to the deeper meaning contained in the Spirit of the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

Does the Blood of Jesus Christ, or the mention of It frighten you? His Blood is my life, and the life all all who believe Him.

If I believe I am saved by His Blood, and I do.........your remarks can only be taken as sarcasm, unedifying, and possibly much worse considering the possible source of your faith.

Now why are you ashamed of the Blood of Christ, to confess His blessed salvation? Does His Blood frighten you?
There is all power in His Blood, and His Blood is good, awaiting t cleans you of your sin and free you forever.

Please for the sake of the other members of the Body of Christ, confess teh Blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Thanks JaumeJ, as I do thank you all for your contributions.
For the sake of starting a constructive edifying discussion, does any Old Testament law scripture come into your mind that reveals just one of these 3 things Jesus defined as the weighter things of the law?

This question is not just for you, but anyone who has something substantial that is written in the law to begin with.

Yes. The two greatest commandments of GOD. Justice, mercy and faith are all manifestations of obedience to these commandments.

And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Deuteronomy 6:5

Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:18​

 

[FreeNChrist]

Does the Blood of Jesus Christ, or the mention of It frighten you? His Blood is my life, and the life all all who believe Him.

If I believe I am saved by His Blood, and I do.........your remarks can only be taken as sarcasm, unedifying, and possibly much worse considering the possible source of your faith.

Now why are you ashamed of the Blood of Christ, to confess His blessed salvation? Does His Blood frighten you?
There is all power in His Blood, and His Blood is good, awaiting t cleans you of your sin and free you forever.

Please for the sake of the other members of the Body of Christ, confess teh Blood of Jesus Christ.

Talk about blind. Who are you to question my relationship with Christ?? Are you so far gone that you cannot see how incredibly self-serving, sanctimonious, and self-righteousness you are being???????

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I detect a certain fear.
In one way that's good.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Proverbs 9:10
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. Hebrews 4:1

In another way it's bad if a certain ungodly fear persists.
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 1John 4:18

As long as it hasn't been discussed, and contrarily side stepped, here is some law, concerning righteous judgment, for those who demand to omit it (judgment) such as the hypocrites that Jesus rebuked. That's 1 of 3 for starters.

For hopefully further sane discussion, here is just a short a preview of the law concerning judgment that the hypocrites missed in Leviticus 19:12,15, and 18.

“And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord. Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.”

Is this a good reason to reject the law of righteous judgment that Jesus said the hypocrites omitted from their doctrine? I'm still attempting to get a good edifying discussion going here. Obviously righteous judgment is interconnected with love, but not as great as loving you neighbor as yourself. But love cannot be void of righteous judgment defined in the law, for it is hanging on the love commandment.

Mark 12:30-31
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

How's that for a new start?

lol..

I do not fear for myself, What do I have to fear? I have been washed in the blood. About the only thing I fear is to be called a hypocrite by the world. to have my light snuffed out because I say I am one thing, yet can not live up to my actions.

That's why the law can not make anyone righteous, all it can do is make you think, because you water it down.

I fear for those who may be blinded by your form of truth (because I lived in it for so long, and saw the damage and hypocrisy it brings to the church of God and those enslaved by it)

Ken is right, You want to discuss, but then you do not. Anyone who wants to discuss anything with you you ignore. or say they hate, or say they are not listening to God.

Your arrogance speaks loud. Thats why people come after you do hard. it is not fear of your message, it is for fear of the damage you may cause someone who does not know much about God.

Like I said earlier, your so close to the truth, but yet you refuse to let anyone speak into you life so you may find a deeper truth. and because of it, you stuck in a rut.

You do not want to talk about WHY jesus exposed the pharisees hypocrisy, All you want to do is yet once again talk law. Law Law Law. thats all you ever talk about.

And you wonder why people call you a pharisee?? a judiaser? A legalist (all the same thing)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

We are required by law (not that we need to memorize this because of our new self by the Holy Spirit), if we encounter our enemy's beast (or any property) strayed from him, to take the beast etc. home and care for it until it is propitious to return it to him. This law has love, justice and mercy self-contained.

Another where we are commanded not to move our neighbor's land marker always strikes me as the fine touch of a Master of ethics.

All the law is good and affords true wisdom to all mankind, while it all points to Jesus............ God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

Yes. Those are expressions of obedience to the 2nd greatest commandment to love our neighbor as ourselves, otherwise stated by Jesus to treat others as we'd like to be treated.

 

[Magenta]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They adhered to the letter of the law while ignoring the Spirit of the law. Jesus addressed them multiple times, saying, "You have heard it was said... but I say unto you..." He was redirecting their attention to the deeper meaning contained in the Spirit of the law.

I think it even goes deeper than this, He was exposing the fact the law could not do what they wanted it to do.

There is no way to look at the law and say if i lust after A woman, I committed adultery with her. It is not even inferred spiritually. It is black and white, if you do this, you have broken the law. If you have broken the law. your under a curse.

That is why the law can not make us righteous, It can not expose all areas of sin, Just a few (and we can not even live up to those guidelines)

Which is why I am amazed, and horrified at the aspect of anyone (including Just-me and those like her) who preach law as a means to moral goodness, When Jesus said over and over again, it can not do that. And paul told us, it eas never intended to do that. It was given for one purpose. to keep us at check, until Christ came. To make us admit, I can not even keep these ten, let alone the (I bet when we get to heaven, we may find there are hundreds, if not thousands of laws which we have broken)many which are given in scripture. I am a wretched person, I need the servant who the OT prophesied would come and die for the sin of the people. I need that lamb of God to take away My Sin, I need Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you love someone, point them in a way they will not get hurt, no matter how hard it is, and how painful it may be.

 

[Magenta]

I think it even goes deeper than this, He was exposing the fact the law could not do what they wanted it to do.

There is no way to look at the law and say if i lust after A woman, I committed adultery with her. It is not even inferred spiritually. It is black and white, if you do this, you have broken the law. If you have broken the law. your under a curse.

That is why the law can not make us righteous, It can not expose all areas of sin, Just a few (and we can not even live up to those guidelines)

Which is why I am amazed, and horrified at the aspect of anyone (including Just-me and those like her) who preach law as a means to moral goodness, When Jesus said over and over again, it can not do that. And paul told us, it eas never intended to do that. It was given for one purpose. to keep us at check, until Christ came. To make us admit, I can not even keep these ten, let alone the (I bet when we get to heaven, we may find there are hundreds, if not thousands of laws which we have broken)many which are given in scripture. I am a wretched person, I need the servant who the OT prophesied would come and die for the sin of the people. I need that lamb of God to take away My Sin, I need Christ.

Jesus also directed their attention to the good Samaritan...
who kept the Spirit of the law, while they did not.

 

[JaumeJ]

Who am I? Let us see! I have followed Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior since His Holy Spirit entered into me on Good Friday, 1969. He led me, sharing His Word, around many of the US States, through 17 countries including six months in Israel. I gave up finishing my University Degree just three months before graduating because of the joy of His Salvation just for me, and for all others who believe Him, and cleave to Him

I am but a small member of the Body of Christ with Jesus as the Head of all members. Being of His Body, I have th e absolute right to ask anyone for their spiritual ID, for the confession of Jesus Christ is proof by the Holy Spirt of who believes, aslo this confession is from the spirit of prophecy.

Any member of the Body of Christ is well within propriety in asking what I have asked you. How may I be permitted to call you family in Christ if you refuse to identify yourself as a Blood born disciple of our Lord.

You have already made it very difficult by labeling those who are children of obedience as under the law. this should not be so from any family member.

All I ask of you are your spiritual credentials since you are claiming to be of the Body of Christ, that is a part of me.

You have already accused me of being lacking in my understanding, in public rebuking me, your elder by quite a bit.

So now I ask you, are you able to confess the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ as your salvation? If not, stop bothering the member s of HIs Body in this age.

Good night from here.......God bless you.

Talk about blind. Who are you to question my relationship with Christ?? Are you so far gone that you cannot see how incredibly self-serving, sanctimonious, and self-righteousness you are being???????

 

[BenFTW]

I asked this very question in my post. Putting others on ignore, especially at the cost of hiding what you believe to be the truth is selfish and inconsiderate. He is now making a call for everyone to ignore others... the fruit of that is division. I once heard it said that "Diversity is of God, division is of the devil." Why does he make all these threads if he is not ready to address opposition to it? The ignore button doesn't refute the truth, it blinds you to it if indeed what you believe is false. How can he know, if he isn't willing to discuss it?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Who am I? Let us see! I have followed Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior since His Holy Spirit entered into me on Good Friday, 1969. He led me, sharing His Word, around many of the US States, through 17 countries including six months in Israel. I gave up finishing my University Degree just three months before graduating because of the joy of His Salvation just for me, and for all others who believe Him, and cleave to Him

I am but a small member of the Body of Christ with Jesus as the Head of all members. Being of His Body, I have th e absolute right to ask anyone for their spiritual ID, for the confession of Jesus Christ is proof by the Holy Spirt of who believes, aslo this confession is from the spirit of prophecy.

Any member of the Body of Christ is well within propriety in asking what I have asked you. How may I be permitted to call you family in Christ if you refuse to identify yourself as a Blood born disciple of our Lord.

You have already made it very difficult by labeling those who are children of obedience as under the law. this should not be so from any family member.

All I ask of you are your spiritual credentials since you are claiming to be of the Body of Christ, that is a part of me.

You have already accused me of being lacking in my understanding, in public rebuking me, your elder by quite a bit.

So now I ask you, are you able to confess the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ as your salvation? If not, stop bothering the member s of HIs Body in this age.

Good night from here.......God bless you.

I rest my case.

 

[Magenta]

I asked this very question in my post. Putting others on ignore, especially at the cost of hiding what you believe to be the truth is selfish and inconsiderate. He is now making a call for everyone to ignore others... the fruit of that is division. I once heard it said that "Diversity is of God, division is of the devil." Why does he make all these threads if he is not ready to address opposition to it? The ignore button doesn't refute the truth, it blinds you to it if indeed what you believe is false. How can he know, if he isn't willing to discuss it?

I have been here for almost three months and just figured out how to put someone on ignore, not that I have, as I have not done that at all here, though it would seem that those who use the feature are often of two minds about it.

 

[Hoffco]

Anyone one who can not keep the laws of God are not born of the Spirit, No one can keep the laws of God perfectly or at all times, ; But it is a general statements that the Bible makes of Born again ,children of God : they love and keep God's laws. hoffco

 

[FreeNChrist]

Anyone one who can not keep the laws of God are not born of the Spirit, No one can keep the laws of God perfectly or at all times, ; But it is a general statements that the Bible makes of Born again ,children of God : they love and keep God's laws. hoffco

There is no such thing as "keeping" the Law imperfectly. Either you "keep it" perfectly, or you aren't "keeping" it. So there is a contradiction in your thinking.

 

[just-me]

Explaining the OP

The OP was purposefully not complete so we could address the truth together and grow in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior together rather than tear each other apart. The thread is not designed for me to teach by myself. Now the people who clearly have a problem with the thread are teaching something, but it isn't what Jesus is trying to teach us in relation to the story of hypocrisy. Let us not fall into the same trap by omitting judgment, mercy, and faith from the law of God.

I was endorsing Jesus' words in contrast to the hypocrisy He revealed. We are now on page 4, and haven't really addressed where God's judgment, mercy, and faith are in the law (as Jesus said they were) and how we, in contrast to the hypocritical Pharisees, are supposed to make sure we don't follow their pattern by not omitting those 3 things in the law as they did.

 

[just-me]

Let's try this again

Not all Pharisees were pretenders. Paul was a Pharisee as was Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews who had not noticed that the concept of being “born again” was also defined in the scriptures available to all the Pharisees at that time in history.

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?” John 3:10

It isn't that understanding the principles that causes the “born again” experience, but the principles define the reality of it, enabling us to know where we stand in the sight of God. Just like Paul wrote to Timothy; “Study to shew thyself approved unto God.”

We notice that Jesus didn't call Nicodemus a “hypocrite” just because he hadn't understood the scripture he was familiar with. The difference between a hypocrite and Nicodemus is the sincerity factor. Therefore it is obvious that these Pharisaical hypocrites purposefully omitted judgment, mercy, and faith, because they were so consumed in propagating their own doctrine rather than God's original doctrine written in the law, available to them at their discretion causing their digression.

“Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.” Matthew 23:24

So where do we find these 3 things in the law what they (the Pharisees) were supposed to know, concerning judgment, mercy, and faith, using the same scriptures they had that are now (in general) available to all of us?

Let us not be so hypocritical by skirting the issue. (smile)

 

[just-me]

More explaining for the reason in the OP

As long as it hasn't been discussed, and contrarily side stepped, here is some law, concerning righteous judgment, for those who demand to omit it (judgment) such as the hypocrites that Jesus rebuked. That's 1 of 3 for starters.

For hopefully further sane discussion, here is just a short a preview of the law concerningjudgment that the hypocrites missed in Leviticus 19:12,15, and 18.

“And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord. Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.”

Is this a good reason to reject the law of righteous judgment that Jesus said the hypocrites omitted from their doctrine? I'm still attempting to get a good edifying discussion going here. Obviously righteous judgment is interconnected with love, but not as great as loving you neighbor as yourself. But love cannot be void of righteous judgment defined in the law, for it is hanging on the love commandment.

Mark 12:30-31
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

How's that for a new start?