Obama's Argument

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PoetMary

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Mitspa said:
I hope He always does ..but be sure he often gives us the physical ability through physical things to bring His Will to pass in our lives....
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Apart from some of the moral issues I have with guns, they are rather expensive. Going to a firing range and maintaining the gun also isn't cheap. So...not my bag. I'd rather spend my money other places.

Why would you say you HOPE that God always protects me? Do you feel there is a way that He is insufficient to do so? Or is it that you believe He might be unwilling to do so?
 
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PoetMary said:
​Not interested. God is my protector.
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That is excellent agreed! However God gives us the brains and abilities to protect ourselves. I am a firm believer in learning to defend oneself from the evil in the world. Of it means using my hands, legs, knife, knuckles, pepper spray or gun...then so be it. Now I entered this forum and am popping out.
 
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PoetMary said:
Apart from some of the moral issues I have with guns, they are rather expensive. Going to a firing range and maintaining the gun also isn't cheap. So...not my bag. I'd rather spend my money other places.

Why would you say you HOPE that God always protects me? Do you feel there is a way that He is insufficient to do so? Or is it that you believe He might be unwilling to do so?
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Theres nothing immoral about owning a weapon for defense. A gun as a matter of fact is ammoral. It has no sin. It is an object. The moral issue comes from the person pulling the trigger. Not the gun.
And God is certainly your protector. Mine too, but if someone was threatening my family I will do whatever I can to eliminate the threat. Praying would definitely be the first thing, but I won't sit there and watch someone harm someone I love when I have the ability to do something about it.
And the person that I mentioned coming after my mother was a cousin of mine who broke into my house while drunk. MY mother is totally blind and there is so way she could have gotten away from him. He has a history of violence and when drink he is highly unpredictable. I would have pulled the trigger on my own cousin if I had no other choice. Thank goodness it didn't come to that.
 
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PoetMary said:
Apart from some of the moral issues I have with guns, they are rather expensive. Going to a firing range and maintaining the gun also isn't cheap. So...not my bag. I'd rather spend my money other places.

Why would you say you HOPE that God always protects me? Do you feel there is a way that He is insufficient to do so? Or is it that you believe He might be unwilling to do so?
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No I was just expressing my "hope" which is a biblical term that means confident expectation ...no matter what if your a real believer you know in the end you will be with Him..right?

As far as His ability ..that is never in doubt ..but as we know, not everyone sees all His promises manifest in their lives because we often are not in the level of faith it requires to see His Promises fulfilled in our lives... right?
 
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PoetMary said:
Apart from some of the moral issues I have with guns, they are rather expensive. Going to a firing range and maintaining the gun also isn't cheap. So...not my bag. I'd rather spend my money other places.
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As to that expense...of the day comes in which someone is atempting to rape you or a loved one or has a knife to your throat...that expense will seem like no big deal!
 
PoetMary

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That is excellent agreed! However God gives us the brains and abilities to protect ourselves. I am a firm believer in learning to defend oneself from the evil in the world. Of it means using my hands, legs, knife, knuckles, pepper spray or gun...then so be it. Now I entered this forum and am popping out.
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And I genuinely believe that God will protect me. I don't believe that I need to make myself into some kind of warrior princess to mitigate the evil in the world. This isn't idealism. It's a tested faith. God has been my protector in a wide variety of circumstances. There is no way that me+a gun could somehow trump God's ability to take care of me. I submit to God and trust him to take care of me. He does.
 
jsr1221

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Mitspa said:
I hope He always does ..but be sure he often gives us the physical ability through physical things to bring His Will to pass in our lives....
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Some people are just uncomfortable with guns. Which is fine. The 2nd amendment is in place for a reason, though. People can't dispute those that do carry. But I don't think we should dispute with those that are uncomfortable with guns either, no matter how much they are beneficiary to protecting oneself.
 
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And I genuinely believe that God will protect me. I don't believe that I need to make myself into some kind of warrior princess to mitigate the evil in the world. This isn't idealism. It's a tested faith. God has been my protector in a wide variety of circumstances. There is no way that me+a gun could somehow trump God's ability to take care of me. I submit to God and trust him to take care of me. He does.
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Since you seem to be taking a position of being in a place no evil can befall you..which is a true biblical position for those in real faith...I would ask if you ever get sick? If you do? does God not always protect you? Do you go to the doctor when its clear God made a promise to heal you? Just want to see if your really believe what your claiming?
 
PoetMary

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As to that expense...of the day comes in which someone is atempting to rape you or a loved one or has a knife to your throat...that expense will seem like no big deal!
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This is the same reasoning that all insurance companies use to get your money. It's fear-based. I'm not into fear-based belief. I'm not going to compromise my principles based on a the idea that "something terrible might happen to you someday."
 
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PoetMary said:
And I genuinely believe that God will protect me. I don't believe that I need to make myself into some kind of warrior princess to mitigate the evil in the world. This isn't idealism. It's a tested faith. God has been my protector in a wide variety of circumstances. There is no way that me+a gun could somehow trump God's ability to take care of me. I submit to God and trust him to take care of me. He does.
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As he has for me...so much so when I froze at a knife as predator was ripping my clothes off...GODS calmness washed over me as to how to deal with the situation. I have a scar as a reminder...but I protected myself and I do not regret having to use violence to protect myself.
 
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I dont think we need to chastise MAry for not believing in guns. Theres nothing wrong with that. She deals with things differently. No problem there.
 
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PoetMary said:
This is the same reasoning that all insurance companies use to get your money. It's fear-based. I'm not into fear-based belief. I'm not going to compromise my principles based on a the idea that "something terrible might happen to you someday."
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Owning a gun is not fear based..its common sense and based on the courage it takes to face a criminal with the justice God intended.
 
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PoetMary said:
This is the same reasoning that all insurance companies use to get your money. It's fear-based. I'm not into fear-based belief. I'm not going to compromise my principles based on a the idea that "something terrible might happen to you someday."
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Well my insurance company can have my money. As a solo parent when I die I know they will be taken care off.
 
PoetMary

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Since you seem to be taking a position of being in a place no evil can befall you..which is a true biblical position for those in real faith...I would ask if you ever get sick? If you do? does God not always protect you? Do you go to the doctor when its clear God made a promise to heal you? Just want to see if your really believe what your claiming?
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I didn't claim that no evil can befall me. I simply claimed that I utterly trust God to protect me in every way. THUS, when/if evil does befall me, God is there for me.

As to being sick, I basically see the doctor once a year. I've not taken antibiotics since 1993. I've occasionally gotten food poisoning. I've been in a couple of car accidents (minor injuries in one, no injuries in another). I've spun out on an icy overpass coming close to both walls (on either side) and ending up perpendicular to the road with an oncoming 18-wheeler. I've had a man break into my home late one night. I've had other men engage in abusive behavior (physically) toward me. I've been threatened by students. I've dealt with some extreme weather incidences. I really don't have any fears regarding what COULD happen to me out in the big bad world. I'm not afraid of any of my material goods being stolen. I'm not afraid of my person being harmed. I just don't have room for that kind of wasted energy in my head.

 
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Mitspa said:
Since you seem to be taking a position of being in a place no evil can befall you..which is a true biblical position for those in real faith...I would ask if you ever get sick? If you do? does God not always protect you? Do you go to the doctor when its clear God made a promise to heal you? Just want to see if your really believe what your claiming?
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Like I said earlier on a different post, I don't have anything to prove. I live in a house with guns.. Do I myself own any? No. But my stepdad does.. No one is forcing me to live here.. I have a choice. If I had an issue with guns, why would I be living here? Also, everyone that knows me knows I went to a conservative Christian university for three years, and knows I'm currently a master's student online at the largest Christian university in the country, which just happens to have the president of the university in the news on how he is encouraging his students to carry on campus in wake of terrorist attacks, since they already have that right.. Why on Earth would someone waste three years and counting, and 50 something thousand dollars worth in education, if the person disagreed with these policies? Like I said on another thread, we need to stop assuming things. You and others didn't know this about me because you never took the time to find out.. You assumed something based on a few replies.

And to answer your question.. I actually spent a week suffering from an allergic reaction.. It healed on its own. I just answered your question. If only you could acknowledge what I say rather than what you think you want to hear.
 
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PoetMary said:
I didn't claim that no evil can befall me. I simply claimed that I utterly trust God to protect me in every way. THUS, when/if evil does befall me, God is there for me.

As to being sick, I basically see the doctor once a year. I've not taken antibiotics since 1993. I've occasionally gotten food poisoning. I've been in a couple of car accidents (minor injuries in one, no injuries in another). I've spun out on an icy overpass coming close to both walls (on either side) and ending up perpendicular to the road with an oncoming 18-wheeler. I've had a man break into my home late one night. I've had other men engage in abusive behavior (physically) toward me. I've been threatened by students. I've dealt with some extreme weather incidences. I really don't have any fears regarding what COULD happen to me out in the big bad world. I'm not afraid of any of my material goods being stolen. I'm not afraid of my person being harmed. I just don't have room for that kind of wasted energy in my head.

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So your basic position is not that God will always protect you, but that your ready to accept whatever comes..which is a understandable position ...but I don't think its a position where you should question or challenge the faith of others who might see self-protection with a firearm as a act of common sense and faith.
 
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Like I said earlier on a different post, I don't have anything to prove. I live in a house with guns.. Do I myself own any? No. But my stepdad does.. No one is forcing me to live here.. I have a choice. If I had an issue with guns, why would I be living here? Also, everyone that knows me knows I went to a conservative Christian university for three years, and knows I'm currently a master's student online at the largest Christian university in the country, which just happens to have the president of the university in the news on how he is encouraging his students to carry on campus in wake of terrorist attacks, since they already have that right.. Why on Earth would someone waste three years and counting, and 50 something thousand dollars worth in education, if the person disagreed with these policies? Like I said on another thread, we need to stop assuming things. You and others didn't know this about me because you never took the time to find out.. You assumed something based on a few replies.

And to answer your question.. I actually spent a week suffering from an allergic reaction.. It healed on its own. I just answered your question. If only you could acknowledge what I say rather than what you think you want to hear.
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jsr...reread my post..it was not to you?...but thanks for your response :)
 
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If folks want to be or are willing to allow their loved ones to be raped, robbed and abused by criminals and wicked people? That's up to you...but don't claim its biblical or Gods desire for His people, because its clearly not.
 
jsr1221

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jsr...reread my post..it was not to you?...but thanks for your response :)
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You responded to my post, though. So I thought it was. If it wasn't directed to me, then my apologies.
 
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