The Lie of Parental Forgiveness: Rebuilding the Veil Jesus Broke

[BenFTW]

Yes I understand that, but I hope you agree with me that I had to confess and repent of those sins. I was backslidden. Some even say that still then you're saved. If you hate your brother you're in darkness. I was in darkness and living in sin after 20 years of really being saved.

There's nothing wrong with you changing your conduct, it is a natural progression of sanctification. The Lord had His work in you to set you free from the thing that bound you (unforgiveness). You didn't need to confess those sins but indeed you did repent of those sins. Only such repentance was born out of God's transformational power.

You see, no one is against overcoming sin in our lives... only our victory is found in Jesus. The way we overcome sin is found in our identity in Christ, and because of that identity given by God sin doesn't have dominion over us. This is a truth we need to renew our minds to.

So if you have sin should it be repented of? Absolutely. Only such repentance is in acknowledgement that you are the righteousness of God in Christ. You must renew your mind in order to have victory over sin. Such sin is contradictory to who you are in Christ (righteous) and so sinning isn't in alignment with your identity that breaks sins dominion. Meditate on these truths and allow them to transform your conduct.

No one is promoting, endorsing or excusing sin. It has been dealt with at the cross (we are forgiven) and in Christ and by His grace it doesn't dominate our lives. So if a sin is a stronghold in your life, renew your mind to who God says that you are. Not by sight but faith and in doing so that which had its grip on you is loosened.

 

[crossnote]

Of course we should confess our sins. But, is your forgiveness dependent upon your confession?

A clear conscience is.

 

[BenFTW]

A clear conscience is.

A clear conscience is found in a revelation of God's grace, not sin confession. I rest in Jesus and know I am not condemned. My conscience is clear because I have forgiveness already. This is one reason among many as to why we need to continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 10:2King James Version (KJV)

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

 

[Euphemia]

As believers, we don't confess our sin to God for forgiveness, because we already have been forgiven of all our sin. Confession means agreeing with God that yes, we have sinned. We then thank Him in full gratitude for His marvelous forgiveness, and pick ourselves up and begin to walk with Him again.

Sin in us doesn't negate our salvation or our position in Christ, but it does stand in the way of the intimacy we have developed with God. He doesn't move away. We do. We feel alienated spiritually, mentally and emotionally form God because of unconfessed sin. Once we heed Holy Spirit's prodding to turn to God and deal with whatever is distancing us, we are at once restored to that place again in Him. He was always right there.


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[FreeNChrist]

A clear conscience is.

That's progress.

 

[crossnote]

A clear conscience is found in a revelation of God's grace, not sin confession. I rest in Jesus and know I am not condemned. My conscience is clear because I have forgiveness already. This is one reason among many as to why we need to continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 10:2King James Version (KJV)

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

1 John 1:7-9 KJVS
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


Why does vs 9 say cleanses 'us'...us as Christians?
Why is there also a cleansing going on in vs 7 if Christians don't need cleansing?
Short circuit the continual working of the Blood at your own risk.

 

[FreeNChrist]

How many times must God cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness before He is successful??

 

[blondieindahouse]

Perhaps hyper grace is in a sense self imposed entitlement IN ADDITION to imputed righteousness..........

Kinda like spunging off ones parents because the consequences havent been dealt yet. Another way to look at it is taking a ride on someone elses dime because they havent slapped reality on us as of yet..................

 

[crossnote]

How many times must God cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness before He is successful??

As many times as we need a foot washing...

John 13:8-10 KJVS
[8] Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. [9] Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. [10] Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

A clear conscience is found in a revelation of God's grace, not sin confession. I rest in Jesus and know I am not condemned. My conscience is clear because I have forgiveness already. This is one reason among many as to why we need to continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 10:2King James Version (KJV)

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Your application of that verse is flawed for 2 reasons.

The word worshipers really means ones offering divine service, which would be the high priests over the years. So it has nothing to do with us believers (worshipers).

Also, that verse is referring to the day of atonement when no one except the high priest did any confession. The sacrifice on that day was for forgiveness of the nation's sins. Every other day Israelites brought their own personal sacrifices and confessed. Individual sacrifices were to avoid being cut off from the nation.

So as a body (nation) there is no more conscience of sins, but as individuals we all must offer the sacrifice of confession when necessary, or risk being cut off from the body (nation).

 

[BenFTW]

1 John 1:7-9 KJVS
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


Why does vs 9 say cleanses 'us'...us as Christians?
Why is there also a cleansing going on in vs 7 if Christians don't need cleansing?
Short circuit the continual working of the Blood at your own risk.

I'm going to share an old post in a thread you didn't take the time to read:

Okay Kenneth, we ought to not jump to conclusions. Notice that I am not jumping to conclusions but I said we. We is said in a sentence so as to lighten the blow, its as if we are being careful with our speech as to not offend. When you speak to non-believers telling them that if we confess that we are sinners, that we need Jesus, and that we believe in His death and resurrection, are you or are you not including yourself as having the need to do this currently but rather that was the means to receiving salvation?

"Guys, we need to calm down." I may not be excited and heated, but I include myself so there is no holier than though self righteous offense taken to those being reprimanded, if you will. "I think we should correct each other with meekness and respect." I said we, but I am not the one in error, but I still included myself, in the context of this hypothetical. You see, we can be used in such a way that does not mean that I am the one doing what is being spoken of. Its to be welcoming and inviting.

In searching for a definition, I found this - This is a rhetorical narrative voice which is used in nonfiction. It has the effect of creating a sense of level ground between the narrator and audience by creating an inclusive feeling. There is a separation between us and the subject matter, but we (narrator and audience) are both on the same side of it, approaching it together as equals.

They go on to define it in the form of cooking books. We then put the chicken in the oven... it could be then said of sin confession, that we then confess our sin therefore showing our need for the Savior Jesus Christ. So, John was not so much including himself in the process now, so much as showing the method by which we receive forgiveness. Acknowledge we are sinners in need of a Savior and then repent. Believe.

Also said: The first person plural we-voice is particularly suitable for presenting in front of an audience.

Is that sufficient for you?

This thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ion-confession-1-john-1-9-sin-confession.html

 

[Grace777x70]

it looks like Jesus with His word sanctifies us and He makes us righteous......we participate in His life...

John 17:17-19 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.

Ephesians 5:26-27 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[SUP]27 [/SUP] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.


Hebrews 13:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate.

We are sanctified by the blood of Jesus in which He has become to us righteousness....I cor 1:30

We have complete forgiveness in Him!

There are lots more but I think we are catching on....

 

[BenFTW]

Perhaps hyper grace is in a sense self imposed entitlement IN ADDITION to imputed righteousness..........

Kinda like spunging off ones parents because the consequences havent been dealt yet. Another way to look at it is taking a ride on someone elses dime because they havent slapped reality on us as of yet..................

Grace. Its unmerited.

 

[crossnote]

I'm going to share an old post in a thread you didn't take the time to read:


This thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ion-confession-1-john-1-9-sin-confession.html

Because I didn't agree with a previous thread of yours, does it follow that I didn't read it?

 

[Gr8grace]

How many times must God cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness before He is successful??

Its our daily walk in this world. Why did Jesus Christ wash the disciples feet? Because we walk in this world and ARE deceived in areas and WILL sin in areas, and WILL perform human good or evil in areas.

Our body is clean......saved and forgiven. But we need to wash our feet because we fail and need to regroup in this life to get back into His plan.

This where I am a little surprised. We need to recognize where and when we failed and get back into His For our lives.

What do you do when you quench or grieve the Spirit?

If we don't do this we don't lose salvation or we weren't really saved............we are just losers in the Christian way of life on this earth. Rebound is paramount in our spiritual lives for advancing and CHOOSING to Glorify Him who saved us....with our own positive volition towards Him.

 

[BenFTW]

Because I didn't agree with a previous thread of yours, does it follow that I didn't read it?

You stated its length as to the reason you didn't read it ("to just hear another person's opinion."). I am redirecting you there because you still falsely believe 1 John 1:9 as applicable to a believer instead of understanding it as the recognition of being a sinner in need of Jesus Christ (cleansing them from all unrighteousness by His blood/sacrifice).

PS: I think this is petty, to be honest. Have an open mind.

 

[FreeNChrist]

As many times as we need a foot washing...

John 13:8-10 KJVS
[8] Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. [9] Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. [10] Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

Then it should read that He cleanses us of ALL un righteousness, except for our feet. Apparantly we're all walking around with unrighteous feet.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Its our daily walk in this world. Why did Jesus Christ wash the disciples feet? Because we walk in this world and ARE deceived in areas and WILL sin in areas, and WILL perform human good or evil in areas.Our body is clean......saved and forgiven. But we need to wash our feet because we fail and need to regroup in this life to get back into His plan.This where I am a little surprised. We need to recognize where and when we failed and get back into His For our lives.What do you do when you quench or grieve the Spirit?If we don't do this we don't lose salvation or we weren't really saved............we are just losers in the Christian way of life on this earth. Rebound is paramount in our spiritual lives for advancing and CHOOSING to Glorify Him who saved us....with our own positive volition towards Him.

Except the "foot washing" passage has nothing to do with forgiveness or cleansing of unrighteousness.

 

[Gr8grace]

You stated its length as to the reason you didn't read it ("to just hear another person's opinion."). I am redirecting you there because you still falsely believe 1 John 1:9 as applicable to a believer instead of understanding it as the recognition of being a sinner in need of Jesus Christ (cleansing them from all unrighteousness by His blood/sacrifice).

PS: I think this is petty, to be honest. Have an open mind.

Ben, So you don't name and site your sins or human good to God?

Why Did Jesus Christ wash the disciples feet?

And this is my typical confession...............Darn, messed up again, getting back into your plan.

 

[Gr8grace]

Except that passage has nothing to do with forgiveness or cleansing of unrighteousness.

And this is why I am surprised. I know that and I know you know that.

The way I read it, it seems that you don't believe in confession(naming and siting sin to GOD) at all for a believer. For any means or reason.