The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy
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These are the scriptures you gave..but they don't say any dude can do what the leaders role is in discipline.....but do what ever you want...
Mtthew 18:15-17 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Here is the scripture and it is to Timothy...the leader....1 Timothy 5:19-20 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.
Mtthew 18:15-17 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Here is the scripture and it is to Timothy...the leader....1 Timothy 5:19-20 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.
Perhaps I should add that at the time I experienced this infilling of my entire being with the Light of God's unconditional love and forgiveness (for truly that is how I experienced it, feeling it in every fiber of my being to the depths of my soul), I simply wept, for well and truly I knew how undeserving of such love I was. But that's the thing, isn't it? None of us are worthy. Now I can accept this, and understand in the greater context of what has been revealed to all of us. We are loved, and we are forgiven. Glory hallelujah! Our God is an awesome God.
Like already discussed, He works through other believers His written word and the law written on our hearts...
preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
(2Ti 4:2)
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
(2Ti 3:16)
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(Jer 31:33)
You can't separate the Holy Spirit from His Word as He works through His Word.
preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
(2Ti 4:2)
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
(2Ti 3:16)
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(Jer 31:33)
You can't separate the Holy Spirit from His Word as He works through His Word.
It reads "faults" and even if it were sins you're confessing to one another for the restoration of the relationship ("that you may be healed"). It is about righting our wrongs, it isn't a verse in reference to confessing our sins to God, but to fellow man. A man or woman that you have done wrong to (a fault) and are to correct for restoration.
Those who are of the flesh tend to look and judge outwardly by appearances, but the wording in the book of Revelation is very symbolic and can only be discerned by way of the Holy Spirit. For instance people tend to look at the 2 witnesses as flesh and blood men, but they tend to ignore the parts where these 2 are referred to as the 2 candlesticks and 2 Olive trees. If you take the mystery apart piece by piece you will see the 2 Olive trees feed the golden oil to feed the 7 lamps=7 spirits of God. No flesh and blood man feeds the golden oil to the 7 spirits of God.
Here is a post I wrote on it, which connects the dots in scripture to reveal the 2 faithful witnesses are God's Word and Spirit.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107274-lords-2-witnesses-7-spirits.html
God's people are referred to as the "holy city" in scripture, as these 2 witnesses are killed inside the "holy city"(hearts and minds) of the saints by the beast who ascends out of the bottomless pit. So the imagery is of God's people being overcome and killed by the lies of the beast and is symbolized in the 2 witnesses laying in dead the streets of the "holy city", or God's people for a time, like the body of Jesus in the tomb. It was also shown in Daniel that the spirit of a lie would cast the Truth (God's Word is Truth) to the ground and trodden it under foot during this time of the lies practicing and prospering.
God's people who had God's words in their mouths are also shown as being laid to the ground, and as the street to them that trampled on them in Isaiah. This was prophesied to happen when the salt lost his savour, like the parable of the salt that lost his savour which was foretold of by Jesus.
So when you put all the pieces of the puzzle together you see the 2 witnesses lay dead for a time in the saints (holy city) until they are resurrected again after 3 and a half days. These represent the dead "in Christ" being raised up first prior to the last 7th trump. This revival and resurrection is also shown here.....
Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Here is a post I wrote on it, which connects the dots in scripture to reveal the 2 faithful witnesses are God's Word and Spirit.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107274-lords-2-witnesses-7-spirits.html
God's people are referred to as the "holy city" in scripture, as these 2 witnesses are killed inside the "holy city"(hearts and minds) of the saints by the beast who ascends out of the bottomless pit. So the imagery is of God's people being overcome and killed by the lies of the beast and is symbolized in the 2 witnesses laying in dead the streets of the "holy city", or God's people for a time, like the body of Jesus in the tomb. It was also shown in Daniel that the spirit of a lie would cast the Truth (God's Word is Truth) to the ground and trodden it under foot during this time of the lies practicing and prospering.
God's people who had God's words in their mouths are also shown as being laid to the ground, and as the street to them that trampled on them in Isaiah. This was prophesied to happen when the salt lost his savour, like the parable of the salt that lost his savour which was foretold of by Jesus.
So when you put all the pieces of the puzzle together you see the 2 witnesses lay dead for a time in the saints (holy city) until they are resurrected again after 3 and a half days. These represent the dead "in Christ" being raised up first prior to the last 7th trump. This revival and resurrection is also shown here.....
Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
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Well, if you aren't discussing the topic at hand, but completely changing it, please make that known. We can't read your mind to know that you are now talking about something entirely different.
It you're deliberately stealing, then you are back living in the world where, "Yes", the Holy Spirit convicts.... because you are no longer living the life of a Believer. (A "Believer" is not just a person who said some words at a church a few years ago.)
It you're deliberately stealing, then you are back living in the world where, "Yes", the Holy Spirit convicts.... because you are no longer living the life of a Believer. (A "Believer" is not just a person who said some words at a church a few years ago.)
Jer 31:33 is quoted in the NT and it speaks of the Holy Spirit witnessing of this truth but it goes on and says...
Hebrews 10:15-18King James Version (KJV)
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Tell me, why do people receive that first part as an on-going reality that they walk in (the law being on their heart) but not that second part about Him not remembering our sins or iniquities anymore?
Hebrews 10:15-18King James Version (KJV)
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Tell me, why do people receive that first part as an on-going reality that they walk in (the law being on their heart) but not that second part about Him not remembering our sins or iniquities anymore?
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ROMANS 3:25.
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare His righteousness
for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
this simply means exactly what it says.....
as we begin our new journey after conversion, the Holy Spirit now teaches us that after we are reconciled
to God by the death of His Son, that much more we shall be saved by His life....another words,
He lives in order to 'make intercession' for us, that is our relationship with Christ, if we have no
Mediator, then we have no relationship.....we must learn to let Christ be our Lord, our Mediator,
for without Him interceding for us when we sin, we have sin against us and can no longer be
able to be clean in God's eyes....
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare His righteousness
for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
this simply means exactly what it says.....
as we begin our new journey after conversion, the Holy Spirit now teaches us that after we are reconciled
to God by the death of His Son, that much more we shall be saved by His life....another words,
He lives in order to 'make intercession' for us, that is our relationship with Christ, if we have no
Mediator, then we have no relationship.....we must learn to let Christ be our Lord, our Mediator,
for without Him interceding for us when we sin, we have sin against us and can no longer be
able to be clean in God's eyes....
About addressing the topic seriously instead of with trollish behavior.
I can't keep going back and hold your hand to lead you through each post spelling out every item.
If you are serious then explain the unpleasant chastisement God puts us thru in Heb 12
And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
(Heb 12:5-11)
And please no cute comebacks.
I can't keep going back and hold your hand to lead you through each post spelling out every item.
If you are serious then explain the unpleasant chastisement God puts us thru in Heb 12
And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
(Heb 12:5-11)
And please no cute comebacks.
Also, you didn't give a verse that straight on addressed the question. Is there a verse that explicitly states that the Holy Spirit convicts us, believers, of sin? You gave a roundabout answer, but reproof, rebuke, and correct are not the same as convicting. Plus they are done in love, as a side note.
