Are women allowed to Preach?

[Depleted]

What was Mariam? Deborah spoke the Word as given her by the Holy Spirit. What she did is part of the Word, that is Jesus Christ, as is all of the Bible. I am hard pressed to find the distinction....Barak was instructed by God through Deborah.

Mariam? Prophet, worship leader, God praiser, protector of her brothers, and voice for the women. (And, at times, pot stirrer, but sometimes that wasn't a good thing.) Also, sister to the High Priest and sister to the leader of the people. She had a voice, and, most the times used it well. BUT her two brothers filled the roles of high priest and leader.

You do know, when I see the name "Barak" I'm hard pressed not to think of the guy heading the US, most known for NOT listening, right? lol But you're right, Deborah spoke and the leader listened. She did not speak as the leader. Just like Aaron spoke for Moses to the Pharaoh. That's the difference. That is the distinction.

I'm not saying women should be seen, but not heard. We most definitely should be heard. BUT it isn't our final say when it comes to matters of the Church. God gave that job to men. We are the keepers of men. We take care of them so they can do their jobs. And we are an important voice. We simply aren't THE voice when it comes to dealing with Church issues. (Thank you, Lord, for that!)

Actually, read closely and you can see why it was a good idea not to have Mariam in the top role. We tend to go with our feelings over doing what God wants. (So do men, but a little less often. lol)

 

[John146]

In reality..there is no such thing as a "pulpit"..that's a man-made tradition...but id they did have their pants on fire and get burned off...that could save them from the wrath to come...lol

Nehemiah 8:4 "And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, [and] Meshullam."

 

[Depleted]

This is not a put down of women or men, but if God can use what is not to bring to nothing what is, and when I think of it, when He has used the likes of me for a few tasks in my stint in this age, women not only should be allowed to preach when led by the Holy Spirit, it is their due. God bless all who preach.........all, amen.

I was saved through the musical Jesus Christ Superstar. Did that make Andrew Lloyd Weber a man of God? Sure, God can use many means to reach us. It doesn't make the means sanctified in him though or make them his rightful way.

I remember being taught something of faith by a ten-year-old. That didn't make him a pastor.

 

[Grace777x70]

Cool!..so someone stood on a piece of wood one time...good finding tho in the scriptures..I like that..

Nehemiah 8:4 "And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, [and] Meshullam."

 

[Depleted]

By this same reasoning, humans are subject to animals, and animals to plants, according to the "order of creation". Is that what you are proposing?

Without a proper understanding of the context into which Paul was speaking, v. 13 is a non-sequitur to v. 12, as v. 15 is to v. 14. Logically, they do not follow.

"Usurp authority" is one possible translation of "authentein"; there are many, as Angela noted in a previous post. It probably is not the best choice, according to the context.

Truthfully? If you get your entire understanding of a biblical principal from the proper definition of a single word, (especially after being told that word has 100 definitions) in only one single passage in scripture, I think it's time to stop shoving your desire into the Bible and look at the Bible as a whole.

Angela is a woman who wanted to be a pastor. She worked hard to get it to say what she wanted it to say. And you easily agreed. Exactly what I have against women pastors, and it's not just the woman's problem. Angela won't change her mind, because she worked too hard for this. You, on the other hand, won't change your mind, because it's easier to go along with Angela than actually suss it out for yourself.

I'd rather trust someone who tried to get a pet belief to work in the Bible, but ended up changing the belief after seeing what the Bible says as a whole.

 

[Depleted]

Ever heard a conservative female preacher? I guess not, because that would be a contradiction in itself. Ergo, if you hear a woman preach she's by definition a liberal. Btw, not that I never gave women preachers a chance -test all says the apostle- but the ones I did hear were awful without exception. Nothing misogynic about that, in fact I highly appreciate women, just not in the pulpit. True, there are awful males preachers too, but biblically speaking THATs still no reason to allow women to preach.

Actually, I have. They preach to women. (They're very good too. Nice to really get into the Word woman-to-woman every now and again.) Why? Are you now interested in joining a women's Bible Study? Sorry. Up there with still calling it "Boy's High School" after the girls enrolled.

Got to say, I'm glad you're not American. We already have enough people who don't like to think things out voting.

 

[Depleted]

I say we make them wear "pants"...

Ya know? I often wonder if I was forced to wear pants because of my gender, would I suddenly like dresses?

It's 20 degrees out, there is 19 inches of snow, the plow hasn't come through, and I'm going to the hospital (by cab) if I have to freeze my feet to do so. So, okay, even if forced to wear pants, I would. lol

 

[Depleted]

good one!...well now..."wooden" that be a good idea to let one of them fired up spirit-filled pants wearing women preach on the grace of Christ and His great love for us?

Who have you been hanging around to think we don't? It's really a matter of who can be a priest. (And that's an OT reference, not a Catholic reference.)

 

[Depleted]

Oh well, who am I to judge anyway (James 3:1)

You teach? Yikes! I hope the students can think for themselves first.

 

[Depleted]

Many years ago, the Lord told me to preach - teach - proclaim - comfort with - bring people to Jesus with the Word. And he told me to do this as much as possible with whomever he brought into my path.

And along that path were many men along with the women. In hospitals, hospice care, bible studies, conferences. I discovered that it is not the vessel, but the Word that does its work.

There is a difference between preaching and pastoring though.

 

[Depleted]

But... you never headed a Church though, did you? That's the difference in what Paul was teaching, that in God's House the woman is not to usurp authority over the man. Christ's Church doesn't need Leftist Women's Liberation movements.

But it obviously could use good old-fashioned feminism.

 

[Depleted]

It's your reasoning; I merely took it to its logical conclusion.




...any more than it needs unfounded insults.


If you want to discuss Scripture, then let's do so. If you want to throw stones, you're in the wrong place.

Are we on the same BDF? Isn't this the forum with the most stone throwers per square inch? lol

 

[Depleted]

A woman in the pulpit: 'liar, liar, pants on fire!' Judgement will be more severe for those who preach without license.(James 3:1)

 

[JaumeJ]

Although the Levitical priests were always men, this was according to the law with the veil of Moses hiding the nature of just about everything from those who read or heard it.

Women were spoken to by God in th Old Testament just as were men. Women were used to minister to God's Word and will. The Catholic Church has set up its own set of rules and regulations for what it deems as the proper manner to worship God under its tutorship, teaching their own rules and regulations as commandment from God. The hierarchy of this organization has no excuse, being men of higher education peddling whatever it takes to remain in control of millions and their donations.

Yes, women may preach the Word of God, and they must if and when called to do so.

Who have you been hanging around to think we don't? It's really a matter of who can be a priest. (And that's an OT reference, not a Catholic reference.)

 

[Depleted]

If we examine only what is in the Epistles, we get what Paul would allow.

It is important to read how Jesus spoke to women in the Old Testament also, not just the new. After all, He is the Word, and the Word begins with "In the beginning," right?

Whoa! So you're suggesting Paul's words don't quite add up to God's words?

I don't see where God's word changes in the Bible. Pentateuch, history, prophets, wisdom, gospels or epistles, it all adds up to God's word.

(I do, however, wonder why the gospels aren't consider epistles though. Doesn't epistles mean "letters?" If so, aren't the four gospels letters too? Just one of those things that baffles me.)

 

[Depleted]

Although the Levitical priests were always men, this was according to the law with the veil of Moses hiding the nature of just about everything from those who read or heard it.

Women were spoken to by God in th Old Testament just as were men. Women were used to minister to God's Word and will. The Catholic Church has set up its own set of rules and regulations for what it deems as the proper manner to worship God under its tutorship, teaching their own rules and regulations as commandment from God. The hierarchy of this organization has no excuse, being men of higher education peddling whatever it takes to remain in control of millions and their donations.

Yes, women may preach the Word of God, and they must if and when called to do so.

Preach yes. Pastor/high priest NO! And that's what the OP was asking.

(And for the record, RCC priest aren't educated all that highly. They aren't even taught their own church's doctrine. And yet they teach whatever they believe as if whatever they say even agrees with the church's doctrine.)

 

[JaumeJ]

My replies is strictly to the "hook," that is to say, the title of the OP.

The author should stick to what he or she is asking about in the text of an OP, especially for those who have difficulty reading who come into the forum. It is almost deceitful to put a hook then change the subject. I respond usually to th e titles of OP's.

Again though, the high priest was appointed by the Law with a physical Temple in a specific place, Israel. We all have but One High Priest now, Jesus Christ.

Since our Savior, Jesus Christ, came to save us, we are not under the law, but we are to obey the law as He teaches it, and He does not teach against women preaching....being pastors. He does not.

 

[proverbs35]

My replies is strictly to the "hook," that is to say, the title of the OP.

The author should stick to what he or she is asking about in the text of an OP, especially for those who have difficulty reading who come into the forum. It is almost deceitful to put a hook then change the subject. I respond usually to th e titles of OP's.

Again though, the high priest was appointed by the Law with a physical Temple in a specific place, Israel. We all have but One High Priest now, Jesus Christ.

Since our Savior, Jesus Christ, came to save us, we are not under the law, but we are to obey the law as He teaches it, and He does not teach against women preaching....being pastors. He does not.

I agree with much of what you said in this particular reply. The OP asked about women preachers. The OP didn't ask about women being priests.

The NT testament describes the 5 fold ministry. Priest is an OT office and not part of the 5 fold ministry listed in the NT. In the NT, Jesus is the great high priest and BOTH men and women in the body of Christ are part of God's royal priesthood. 1 Pet 2:9

 

[Dino246]

Truthfully? If you get your entire understanding of a biblical principal from the proper definition of a single word, (especially after being told that word has 100 definitions) in only one single passage in scripture, I think it's time to stop shoving your desire into the Bible and look at the Bible as a whole.

... You, on the other hand, won't change your mind, because it's easier to go along with Angela than actually suss it out for yourself.

I'd rather trust someone who tried to get a pet belief to work in the Bible, but ended up changing the belief after seeing what the Bible says as a whole.

Lynn, I respect your right to disagree with me, but you're off-base here. There is no eisegesis in what I have said. I've done my own homework, the 'sussing out' on this passage and the others which have been discussed, and my post to which you responded simply pointed out some faulty logic. I haven't built a doctrine on one word, though it seems that is exactly what is done by those who don't allow female preachers.

1 Tim 2:12 stands in apparent opposition to many other passages. Therefore it is worthwhile looking deeper. What I have found in my study on the matter (over the last 20 years or so) is that the arguments against women preaching uphold a couple of verses against a lot of other evidence, and don't sit right with the character of God as revealed in the Bible, while arguments for female preachers are able to hold the whole Scripture together.

As for your last sentence, I have done exactly that on a different matter, so your criticism falls flat. What is shared in a few lines can hardly begin to encompass all that a person knows or believes on a matter, or how they have come to the conclusions they hold.

At least we do agree that our beliefs should be based on "the Bible as a whole". Let's have that as the basis for our interaction.

 

[JaumeJ]

It seems the New testament teaches we are made priests to God by the Blood of the Lamb. Perhaps I misunderstand the context in which this is taught, but the words seem straightforward and plain.

I agree with much of what you said in this particular reply. The OP asked about women preachers. The OP didn't ask about women being priests.

The NT testament describes the 5 fold ministry. Priest is an OT office and not part of the 5 fold ministry listed in the NT. In the NT, Jesus is the great high priest and BOTH men and women in the body of Christ are part of God's royal priesthood. 1 Pet 2:9