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"We" meaning all who are IN Christ Magenta. Like when Jesus compared the woman who washed and dried His feet as loving Him more than the Disciple whose house He was visiting. She was a prostitute and a major big sinner in everyone's (and her own) estimation.
Jesus had forgiven her much she realized and because she realized how much forgiveness she received she loved Jesus more. Being loved is what speaks to people. The love of God constrains us and draws us in.
That is why the Gospel means the good news. Unmerited unearned love and favor (grace) is how we are saved and how we are able to grow up in maturity in Christ.
Knowing by faith there is no condemnation but there IS love from our Father will make all the difference in how we are able to obey and honor God. He meant it that way. The Bible says it is not that we loved God...but that HE loved us and gave His Son. Getting a revelation of the kind of love God has for us will enable us to move forward in our faith.
Jesus told the woman in John 8:11 .."Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more" Because we have the gift of no condemnation since Jesus was condemned for all our sins Rom.8:1 God will no longer condemn us because He is faithful and just to what His Son already did for us.
The mistake people make and many Christians too (myself included) is tell someone to FIRST go and sin no more and then I won't condemn you. But Jesus is not like us. He first takes care of the problem and on top of that, gives us the gift of no condemnation so that we have the strength to go and sin no more.
Jesus had forgiven her much she realized and because she realized how much forgiveness she received she loved Jesus more. Being loved is what speaks to people. The love of God constrains us and draws us in.
That is why the Gospel means the good news. Unmerited unearned love and favor (grace) is how we are saved and how we are able to grow up in maturity in Christ.
Knowing by faith there is no condemnation but there IS love from our Father will make all the difference in how we are able to obey and honor God. He meant it that way. The Bible says it is not that we loved God...but that HE loved us and gave His Son. Getting a revelation of the kind of love God has for us will enable us to move forward in our faith.
Jesus told the woman in John 8:11 .."Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more" Because we have the gift of no condemnation since Jesus was condemned for all our sins Rom.8:1 God will no longer condemn us because He is faithful and just to what His Son already did for us.
The mistake people make and many Christians too (myself included) is tell someone to FIRST go and sin no more and then I won't condemn you. But Jesus is not like us. He first takes care of the problem and on top of that, gives us the gift of no condemnation so that we have the strength to go and sin no more.
Do you think slandering others is loving? Do you think that someone pretending they do not slander others when they do is loving behavior on their part? Is it loving for someone to deny the truth when proof is given? Or is is it a blatant lie to call the truth an untruth? Is it loving to point out to another when they are wrong? Where does one draw the line? Jesus spent a good deal of time pointing out error, and so did Paul. Where do we draw the line? Personally I find it quite distasteful to engage in taking other's inventory. But it is equally difficult to sit idly by and witness such atrocities in silence.
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I was not using Romans 7 as an excuse to sin. But explaining how Paul through the Holy Spirit gives us a way out. This is a false belief that says we have a civil war going on inside us. We do not have 2 natures. We have one nature, the born again spirit man. As Christians we are daily learning 'how' to walk in newness of life.
We used to walk according to the flesh, that is all we knew. But now we have been given a new nature. The old man is passed away.,dead. Old things are passed away behold all things are become new. We do however have the memory and habits of our old life and 'how' to survive here on earth.
By faith we learn to 'work out' our salvation.,our new nature., we have all things pertaining to life and godliness., we have been given the spirit of power and love and a sound mind... These things and much more we have been given at the new birth. We are a new man created IN Christ. We have to identify and see ourselves as sons., not sinners.
Our identity is not based on 'how' we walk it is based on 'where' Christ has placed us IN righteous standing... Our identity is found in WHERE we are IN Christ. Just like we were walking in sin and death and judgment and wrath before Jesus saved us.... now we are walking in righteousness and holiness now that Jesus has saved us and given us sonship. Our POSITION has totally changed.
For instance.... In Adam all sin, all are guilty just by being born in Adam's race. All in Adam have imputed sin put on them by Adam's sin. No matter how good a human wants to be, he can't get himself out of the (place of sin) because he is a sinner in Adam.
(The human needs a Savior). Jesus came and IMPUTED His righteousness on us instead of us having Adam's imputed sin on us. So when we received Jesus, we became new creations in Christ born again made sons of the Most High. No more to be called sinners but sons and saints.
The way for us to walk out Christ in our lives is to yield to the Spirit not the (habits) of the flesh. This takes faith... since it goes against our old nature to take life based on what is NOT seen or felt or proved in the natural.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance the confirmation the title deed of the things we hope for being the proof of things we do not see and the conviction of their reality (faith perceiving as real fact what is NOT revealed to the senses.) Amplified Bible
Try to do that walk of faith in the flesh and see why many people are not fighting the good fight of faith successfully.. They don't know who they are IN Christ. They are still identifying themselves as sinners. Not availing themselves to the gifts of grace and no condemnation that were imparted to them by Christ Himself.
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Grace7x77 is hyper grace. On the subject of John the Baptist, the apostles I started another thread talking about the issues
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-apostles-righteous-john-baptist-sinless.html
The more I think about it the more significant it actually is.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-apostles-righteous-john-baptist-sinless.html
The more I think about it the more significant it actually is.
Thank you Lynn, that is very sweet of you, and
I appreciate it very much and return the sentiment
((((((((((((HUG))))))))))))))
You know I have always appreciated what you share here,
and more than that, the heart with which you share it.
I know I am powerless over what others do. If they want to lie and misrepresent themselves while they misrepresent others that is their business, but neither does it mean I am to sit idly by in silence forever while they do it. We are actually called to correct others, those within the church, when they are out of line (as described). Hugs are nice but at the same time it does not address any of the pertinent issues. They are not necessarily yours to answer to, either, though, so all is well. I know the other person may never address them either, and that is okay too. It would be good if they stopped, though. It is not like others are blind to their offenses. Maybe only they are.
I appreciate it very much and return the sentiment
((((((((((((HUG))))))))))))))
You know I have always appreciated what you share here,
and more than that, the heart with which you share it.
I know I am powerless over what others do. If they want to lie and misrepresent themselves while they misrepresent others that is their business, but neither does it mean I am to sit idly by in silence forever while they do it. We are actually called to correct others, those within the church, when they are out of line (as described). Hugs are nice but at the same time it does not address any of the pertinent issues. They are not necessarily yours to answer to, either, though, so all is well. I know the other person may never address them either, and that is okay too. It would be good if they stopped, though. It is not like others are blind to their offenses. Maybe only they are.
Amen...I would just add....it is not our ability ( but I know what you were getting at with that statement..)..to the degree that we have the life of Jesus manifesting and flowing out of our lives...It's His live that we are saved by.
Romans 5:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Romans 5:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
The life of Jesus manifesting sounds like possesion and not transformation or the sense of becoming or obeying or following Jesus.
No where is scripture are christian called to manifest the life of Jesus. We are called to walk in the spirit, live by loving people. It implies you just become something rather than there is a choice of the will involved.
People often use the word he manifested a demon that just appeared and took him over. Now I oppose the concept that walking in the Spirit is anything like the occult or possession. My experience of the Lord is he inspires and directs but the believer does the action. If you think it is otherwise have you any scriptural examples of this?
No where is scripture are christian called to manifest the life of Jesus. We are called to walk in the spirit, live by loving people. It implies you just become something rather than there is a choice of the will involved.
People often use the word he manifested a demon that just appeared and took him over. Now I oppose the concept that walking in the Spirit is anything like the occult or possession. My experience of the Lord is he inspires and directs but the believer does the action. If you think it is otherwise have you any scriptural examples of this?
I wonder about this. Didn't Jesus say that he would give us ability to do his works? Yes he did.
But you will receive power (ability, δύναμις dunamis) [when] the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest part of the earth. Acts 1:8
Technically, the ability is not of us, but it does become our ability.
But you will receive power (ability, δύναμις dunamis) [when] the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest part of the earth. Acts 1:8
Technically, the ability is not of us, but it does become our ability.
As far as I understand demon possession a person has no control, the demon takes over and shoves the person in the background.
The Holy Spirit gifts or empowers the believer so they can exercise the skills or gifts as they choose. The Lord also gives faith to use to ask the Lord to do something in His will. I see this as a very different process, because it is the difference between a servant heart and a dominating dictatorship.
The Holy Spirit gifts or empowers the believer so they can exercise the skills or gifts as they choose. The Lord also gives faith to use to ask the Lord to do something in His will. I see this as a very different process, because it is the difference between a servant heart and a dominating dictatorship.
John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
But,
1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth
And because,
1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
But,
1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth
And because,
1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
All believers are light in the Lord. You are either in light or darkness..it's kind alike you are either a sheep or a goat..we don't change from a sheep to a goat and then back to a sheep again..amd there are no "shoats"..
2 Corinthians 6:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?
Ephesians 5:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light
We are light in the Lord. Now, we are to walk in who we are in the Lord. But we need to have our foundation down solid on the finished work of Christ for us and who we are in Christ in our inner man
2 Corinthians 6:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?
Ephesians 5:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light
We are light in the Lord. Now, we are to walk in who we are in the Lord. But we need to have our foundation down solid on the finished work of Christ for us and who we are in Christ in our inner man
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Adding these in,
1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren.
He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren.
He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?