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I have schizophrenia and some of the medications are good and have improved efficacy and fewer extrapyramidals/ side effects, but with some drugs the side effects can be worse than the symptoms. I know that God has provided this medicine from His pharmacy for mankind. My Christian friend with chronic schiz said 'For some, meds just quieten the spirits, but don't stop the voices and for others, it works.'
It is my hope that those that are on meds, would pursue deliverance in Christ Jesus so as to get free (set the captives free!). It is not God's will that ANYONE be bound to and trapped in the use of pharmakia/pharmaceuticals/pharmacy. He did not create any of us for that. That is how sneaky the devil is...he who come to kill, steal and destroy; Kill you, steal your peace and joy, and destroy your health...your life.
This is probably the most insulting post I've read yet, on this thread!! Are you trying to say that we need deliverance, just because we have an illness? Are you implying that we aren't saved, and that's why we need deliverance? Step into my shoes, honey. Or Angela's or BillyD's or Lynn's. God does NOT heal EVERYONE, and that's a fact! Sad and unfortunate, but very true. So, if your opinion is correct, then satan's been working on me since I was 5 years old? I wasn't even a christian yet at 5 years old!! Or maybe Billy and I have epilepsy because of some stupid "generational curse"?! I don't believe in curses, that's voodoo stuff. I am so frickin' sick and tired of being told "change your diet", "have more faith", and "you have demons in you"!!! Do you even comprehend how insulting and condescending that is to say to someone?!! YOU haven't said that to me, but many other ignoramuses here certainly have. My opinion is they need to keep their idiotic opinions quiet if they have nothing of value to offer me!!
Yup so true, sweet blue ladybug, I have a sweet ladybug tattoo lol..........I agree I have not been healed of schizophrenia, and God does not heal everyone. But Jesus has healed a lot of my illnesses. Someone told me Jesus may have to come back to earth practically, to heal some people with schizophrenia lol.....As it is a very difficult illness to heal, but having said ' that nothing is impossible for God to heal.' I am healed more when I speak the word of God to my infirmities.
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It is my hope that those that are on meds, would pursue deliverance in Christ Jesus so as to get free (set the captives free!). It is not God's will that ANYONE be bound to and trapped in the use of pharmakia/pharmaceuticals/pharmacy. He did not create any of us for that. That is how sneaky the devil is...he who come to kill, steal and destroy; Kill you, steal your peace and joy, and destroy your health...your life.
This is probably the most insulting post I've read yet, on this thread!! Are you trying to say that we need deliverance, just because we have an illness? Are you implying that we aren't saved, and that's why we need deliverance? Step into my shoes, honey. Or Angela's or BillyD's or Lynn's. God does NOT heal EVERYONE, and that's a fact! Sad and unfortunate, but very true. So, if your opinion is correct, then satan's been working on me since I was 5 years old? I wasn't even a christian yet at 5 years old!! Or maybe Billy and I have epilepsy because of some stupid "generational curse"?! I don't believe in curses, that's voodoo stuff. I am so frickin' sick and tired of being told "change your diet", "have more faith", and "you have demons in you"!!! Do you even comprehend how insulting and condescending that is to say to someone?!! YOU haven't said that to me, but many other ignoramuses here certainly have. My opinion is they need to keep their idiotic opinions quiet if they have nothing of value to offer me!!
It is my hope that those that are on meds, would pursue deliverance in Christ Jesus so as to get free (set the captives free!). It is not God's will that ANYONE be bound to and trapped in the use of pharmakia/pharmaceuticals/pharmacy. He did not create any of us for that. That is how sneaky the devil is...he who come to kill, steal and destroy; Kill you, steal your peace and joy, and destroy your health...your life.
This is probably the most insulting post I've read yet, on this thread!! Are you trying to say that we need deliverance, just because we have an illness? Are you implying that we aren't saved, and that's why we need deliverance? Step into my shoes, honey. Or Angela's or BillyD's or Lynn's. God does NOT heal EVERYONE, and that's a fact! Sad and unfortunate, but very true. So, if your opinion is correct, then satan's been working on me since I was 5 years old? I wasn't even a christian yet at 5 years old!! Or maybe Billy and I have epilepsy because of some stupid "generational curse"?! I don't believe in curses, that's voodoo stuff. I am so frickin' sick and tired of being told "change your diet", "have more faith", and "you have demons in you"!!! Do you even comprehend how insulting and condescending that is to say to someone?!! YOU haven't said that to me, but many other ignoramuses here certainly have. My opinion is they need to keep their idiotic opinions quiet if they have nothing of value to offer me!!
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It is my hope that those that are on meds, would pursue deliverance in Christ Jesus so as to get free (set the captives free!). It is not God's will that ANYONE be bound to and trapped in the use of pharmakia/pharmaceuticals/pharmacy. He did not create any of us for that. That is how sneaky the devil is...he who come to kill, steal and destroy; Kill you, steal your peace and joy, and destroy your health...your life.
This is probably the most insulting post I've read yet, on this thread!! Are you trying to say that we need deliverance, just because we have an illness? Are you implying that we aren't saved, and that's why we need deliverance? Step into my shoes, honey. Or Angela's or BillyD's or Lynn's. God does NOT heal EVERYONE, and that's a fact! Sad and unfortunate, but very true. So, if your opinion is correct, then satan's been working on me since I was 5 years old? I wasn't even a christian yet at 5 years old!! Or maybe Billy and I have epilepsy because of some stupid "generational curse"?! I don't believe in curses, that's voodoo stuff. I am so frickin' sick and tired of being told "change your diet", "have more faith", and "you have demons in you"!!! Do you even comprehend how insulting and condescending that is to say to someone?!! YOU haven't said that to me, but many other ignoramuses here certainly have. My opinion is they need to keep their idiotic opinions quiet if they have nothing of value to offer me!!
One woman who also believes it's occult (the drugs, not the meds) and has it as her profession said you should never tell a schizophrenia patient to just stop meds. That's dangerous. It's more about giving benzoids that drugaddicts get at the black market, to kids who are not completely quiet. Where to draw the exact line I don't know, since I don't know much about it. I do know though that the ones who are normal and never used it say way too quick that it's all good, because the doctor says so and people end up killing themselves or others.
LB, an apology is given when someone does something unethical, or hurtful to hurt another person, usually knowing what they are doing, but not always.
I have found that sometimes, not always, people who request or demand an apology have a pride issue. Or are over sensitive, or controlling. Or all three.
A lot of you here just don't get it. Don't have your feelings hurt by that statement. It is just true, when it comes to diet and lifestyle. I feel like a Christian trying to argue with atheists.
I said I can personally attests to the lifestyle.
I said the bible supports what the lifestyle is.
I said I know someone who is a doctor who lives it, in his 80's, (and does not take one med, btw).
I said he has counseled over 10,000 patients/clients over a more then 40 years span.
I said him and I have discussed our experiences in counseling people (his dwarfing mine) and we both have concluded that the general population does not really understand what a "good" or biologically healing diet is. And that we are both amazed again and again what people call a good diet.
I have been attacked by a man who essentially called my profession quackery, and by extension, called me a quack. Despite him reading my previous posts, I assume he did anyway, and if he didn't, then that speaks volumes too. If he did, he is lost to the concept I am putting out there. So I took the tact that rather then try to explain to him why he should have not said what he did, because either he did not read my posts, or did not believe the information, I took the position of of telling him to look at all the mistakes his age group has made following dogmatic positions they were taught as youngsters. Including the notions he was probably raised with concerning doctors, our health care system, meds, our responsibility to our bodies, and holistic therapies. In the hope it would open his eyes, and maybe he would think before he speaks and disparage's peoples professions.
Then immediately after that post someone else after posted his support of his insulting comments. Very nice.
Then Willie tells me that he did not live a lifestyle that most people did in that age group. And he tells me essentially that he looked great at my age. And all that does is just make two things evident to me. One is that Willie is a unique individual both physically and mentally. He was blessed with genes that most of us don't have, and thought outside of the box, was ahead of his time, and was not typical for his age group. Two, Willie makes the common mistake that just because someone looks good, it means they are in great health. This makes it clear to me that he, along with most of the general population (Christian and non Christian) and many here, but for different reasons, that there is a narrow understanding of nutrition and lifestyle and how it effects us. Body builders have the physiques they do because they eat a lot of animal protein. In the short term they may look good, seem healthy, but in the long term it has a detrimental impact on their health. That is why I spoke about blood work. A good doctor, or any health care person, looks on the inside, not the outside. And before I am attacked, this is for most people, not everyone. And I would expect that. I am not being critical, a this is not most peoples area of study.
I have been doing this for 23 years. So I would think I have more knowledge then most of you about this.
I know when someone has more knowledge then me about something, I listen to what they have to say. Humbly so. With a willing spirit.
Believe it or not, many of the things I have said here and on the health forum, I have gotten paid for. And I have a willing and eager audience. And they apply it and see the truth of it.
But I understand it is not for everyone. Not even Christians, even though this all comes from God and the bible anyway.
You know I have been invited to speak at church's in NYC about this stuff. Does that mean I can't be wrong. Does that mean I am full of myself, and think I am elite, as some of you here are implying? No, of course not. But I do know I have seen great results from my one on one counseling and in church's. Not because of me, but because an altered lifestyle frees up Gods mechanics of health in our bodies.
I have said time and again, :most people", "some people", "many people". I never said 100% for anything I have said.
I always generalized my comments. But I got replies like it it won't work for me with this, or for this one with that.
But most of you wouldn't know if it would or wouldn't work, and to waht extent, because you never really did it.
I never said that with emotional or physiological issues one could or would be "cured' 100%. I said with some people they could see dramatic improvement. I said many people would be able to decrease their dosage. I said some would be able to eliminate their drugs. This is truth, because my friend, who is a Christian, btw, has seen it with people he has counseled.
Some people with certain disorder may be able to do a combination of prescription drugs and herbs, or other supplements.
I am a proponent of trying to get off, as much as possible, prescription drugs because of the dmage they cuase the body.
So don't twist my words and say I am saying that some peole don't need them. I understand some people will be on them the rest of their lives.
But when you say that I have no idea what I am talking about, you are being narrow minded.
When you tell me diet is not a factor, your being ignorant, and/or stubborn for emotional/physiological/dogmatic reasons.
You may not like they way I said that, or may think I am being arrogant, but I am speaking the truth. Bluntly. Because you here are speaking to me bluntly about things you are quite frankly just not informed about.
If you were to say to me that you had to do some research, or that you didn't know for sure, or something that you never heard of it, but it may be possible, I would not be so forth right.
But I ma being ganged up on for no good reason.
I never said you should go off your meds LB, but somehow I have been told otherwise, things I have never said.
But getting back to what I was saying.
So I feel like the king without clothes.
And I know some of you may refuse this message because it puts the ball in your court. If you believe what I am putting out here it means you have to now take more responsibility for your own body, your own health.
It means to break a comfort zone.
A lot of people can't alter their diets sufficiently. I get it. I know it. I have seen it time and again as a counselor.
I have compassion or that. I feel for peoples ailments. Why do you think I got into this?
I have my issues, it just so happens my diet and lifestyle re health is not one of them.
You guys don't think I have not heard very single one fo your arguments before? I have, and at least 10 times over.
I understand the emotional/physiological reasons why people may be resistant to what I am saying.
But none of you have offered my scientific proof of why what I am stating is wrong. And I mean real science. Empirical studies, not funded by big pharma, or hospital's.
So please, don't shoot the messenger. If you don't believe fine, but don't belittle me, insult me, or twist my words.
Argue the science and facts. But please don't tell me what my friend and I have witnessed is not true.
Thank you.
God bless you all.
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They do cost a lot of money, LB, no doubt. That is why i sometimes counseled for free, to help ease the burden.
And that is why I ma frustrated by the whole medical complex and all of its strands of webs. They have limited people who have not the means to choices which are less then optimal. I think the circle of death they have propagated is a disgrace. And while quite a few of them are unaware of what is going on, many of them are, and just turn a deaf ear, because of personal gain.
Look, LB, you can't afford the supplements. But you can eat better. Even if it does not hep your condition one bit and it may or may not; my friend and I spoke and he said it can go either way, you will still see other benefits. You will generally feel better. I will go out there and say (you can believe this or not, but again, I have experienced it, and so have others) you will have a improved emotional, intellectual and spiritual state and may possibly prolong your life span. You will probably have a improved immune system. If those are things you don't desire, well...
As far as Angela, none of this directed to her. I love that woman's heart. If she has a issue, then I am sure, or I hope, she will let me know. But I hope she is not insulted. But why don't you let her speak for herself?
And that is why I ma frustrated by the whole medical complex and all of its strands of webs. They have limited people who have not the means to choices which are less then optimal. I think the circle of death they have propagated is a disgrace. And while quite a few of them are unaware of what is going on, many of them are, and just turn a deaf ear, because of personal gain.
Look, LB, you can't afford the supplements. But you can eat better. Even if it does not hep your condition one bit and it may or may not; my friend and I spoke and he said it can go either way, you will still see other benefits. You will generally feel better. I will go out there and say (you can believe this or not, but again, I have experienced it, and so have others) you will have a improved emotional, intellectual and spiritual state and may possibly prolong your life span. You will probably have a improved immune system. If those are things you don't desire, well...
As far as Angela, none of this directed to her. I love that woman's heart. If she has a issue, then I am sure, or I hope, she will let me know. But I hope she is not insulted. But why don't you let her speak for herself?
No one is saying what you and your friend have experienced isn't true. What no one here can seem to get you to understand, is that a certain diet, or remedy or whatever, may work good on SOME people, and it may do nothing on others. What works for some, does not work for everyone. Yet you keep saying, eat better, try this algae diet, yada yada. I don't give a flying fig about what or who your doctor friend is, or what he's done. He is only ONE doctor. He hasn't counseled me, or BillyD or Angela. So I'm not taking his word as absolute truth that this algae, probiotic, infrared sauna stuff will work for ME. Even if I COULD afford it. I'm sorry, but I think what you said to BillyD WAS hurtful and unethical, especially since YOU are NOT a doctor, you have no MD after your name, no medical credentials at all. You DID insult him in your post, many times over. Like I keep saying, step into his shoes for awhile. Or mine, or both. Maybe then you'll finally understand OUR point of view. I stand by my earlier comment. I do still think you owe BillyD and Angela an apology.
It is my hope that those that are on meds, would pursue deliverance in Christ Jesus so as to get free (set the captives free!). It is not God's will that ANYONE be bound to and trapped in the use of pharmakia/pharmaceuticals/pharmacy. He did not create any of us for that. That is how sneaky the devil is...he who come to kill, steal and destroy; Kill you, steal your peace and joy, and destroy your health...your life.
This is probably the most insulting post I've read yet, on this thread!! Are you trying to say that we need deliverance, just because we have an illness? Are you implying that we aren't saved, and that's why we need deliverance? Step into my shoes, honey. Or Angela's or BillyD's or Lynn's. God does NOT heal EVERYONE, and that's a fact! Sad and unfortunate, but very true. So, if your opinion is correct, then satan's been working on me since I was 5 years old? I wasn't even a christian yet at 5 years old!! Or maybe Billy and I have epilepsy because of some stupid "generational curse"?! I don't believe in curses, that's voodoo stuff. I am so frickin' sick and tired of being told "change your diet", "have more faith", and "you have demons in you"!!! Do you even comprehend how insulting and condescending that is to say to someone?!! YOU haven't said that to me, but many other ignoramuses here certainly have. My opinion is they need to keep their idiotic opinions quiet if they have nothing of value to offer me!!
Satan is trying to destroy us btw, directly, or indirectly.
You think our sick and perverse system is from God?
It is by us and of the devil.
It was pretty clear to me anyway, that in the post Angela did, she was quite hurt and insulted. Now let me set you straight on something. I DO eat well, I DO get adequate exercise AND I sleep well at night WITHOUT a sleeping pill. I don't eat junk, I don't do drugs, I don't smoke or drink. Do I want to be well? Of course I do! Those are things that I desire. So telling me to eat better when I already am, is a rather senseless and moot point. Once again, I'll say I don't care how many people you have counseled, or if this nutty diet has worked for them. You have not counseled ME, nor helped ME in any way, except to keep echoing that I should eat better. Which I already am. So you're flogging a dead horse trying to sell this diet on me..
Jeremiah 17:5 This is what the Lord says: “Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the Lord.
Jeremiah 17:7 “But blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him.
Genesis 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
Ezekiel 47:12 Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”
Matthew 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
The devil has deceived a lot of people, having them to put all of their faith in what man says. And by them doing this, that it is offending God. It says that God is the father, not pill pushers and which there are a lot of pill pushers that are on this site. No one says when their child is born, "That I cannot wait to put you on Prozac or Ritalin.". Everyone know on the inside that this were not the way God has intended for us to be, pill poppers. These corporation trolls or you can called them corporate imps, are here to make sure that you put your trust in these corporations and abandon your faith that you had with God. These corporation deceiving everyone by pretending that they has came in peace to help feed the world. But they are lying. So far they has been devouring farmers fields and taken over their homes. By looking at their fruit, that you see that they are evil.
Here's a story about David. [video]https://youtu.be/oPKoSrc99p4[/video]
Jeremiah 17:7 “But blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him.
Genesis 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
Ezekiel 47:12 Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”
Matthew 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
The devil has deceived a lot of people, having them to put all of their faith in what man says. And by them doing this, that it is offending God. It says that God is the father, not pill pushers and which there are a lot of pill pushers that are on this site. No one says when their child is born, "That I cannot wait to put you on Prozac or Ritalin.". Everyone know on the inside that this were not the way God has intended for us to be, pill poppers. These corporation trolls or you can called them corporate imps, are here to make sure that you put your trust in these corporations and abandon your faith that you had with God. These corporation deceiving everyone by pretending that they has came in peace to help feed the world. But they are lying. So far they has been devouring farmers fields and taken over their homes. By looking at their fruit, that you see that they are evil.
Here's a story about David. [video]https://youtu.be/oPKoSrc99p4[/video]
Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food – attributed to Hippocrates
I am beginning to think you just like to take up offenses. It is not the most insulting post you ever read, mine is.
Satan is trying to destroy us btw, directly, or indirectly.
You think our sick and perverse system is from God?
It is by us and of the devil.
Satan is trying to destroy us btw, directly, or indirectly.
You think our sick and perverse system is from God?
It is by us and of the devil.
K
One of the worlds oldest women is 112 yrs old. For 95 of those years she smoked 30 cigarettes a day .. and still does. Japan and Greece have the highest adult smoking rates in the world .. yet have the lowest incidence of lung cancer. The five countries with the lowest adult smoking rates in the world have the highest rates of lung cancer. There are more carcinogens in everyday margarine (hydrogenated oil) than there is in cigarettes. Moral of the story ? Quit eating margarine and light up a camel
I am not a doctor. My friend is. Besides my own education, you don't think I haven't learned a few things from him over the years?
And even if I am not a doctor, does that prohibit me from seeing results? You don't think whatever knowledge I do have, and through my prayer, and study of the bible, and my experiences counseling people, and my own experiences doing this 23 years I can't offer something?
Is that what you are telling me? That you can ignore what I am stating because I am not a doctor?
If your saying that, I really don't know what to say...
Did you read my previous post yet? About the general benefits of a improved life style?
Are you going to tell that is just nonsense too?
And your saying something again that I did not say. I said did you ever try? Not "try this". Please stop doing that.
The guy has counseled over 10,000 people. Your saying, oh. so what??
And what is your point, that it won't work for every. single. person. Neither does western medicine.
Holistic therapies have a better chance of getting long term, non invasive, non poisoning results then western meds. Do you know that? i like for you to tell me why, in a calm, scientific way that my previous statement is not true. Stick to facts.
Do you believe anything with the benefit of numbers?
Or is it that just because you think it won't work for you (and you don't even know if it will or won't have some kind of benefit overall, but maybe your one of those people who like to live in their ailments. Don't be mad at me that I said that. There are some people who identify themselves in their sickness. I don't know if your are one, but I can't grasp why you are holding onto to irrational arguments for dear life - or are you afraid to lose your benefits. just kidding -).
And even if I am not a doctor, does that prohibit me from seeing results? You don't think whatever knowledge I do have, and through my prayer, and study of the bible, and my experiences counseling people, and my own experiences doing this 23 years I can't offer something?
Is that what you are telling me? That you can ignore what I am stating because I am not a doctor?
If your saying that, I really don't know what to say...
Did you read my previous post yet? About the general benefits of a improved life style?
Are you going to tell that is just nonsense too?
And your saying something again that I did not say. I said did you ever try? Not "try this". Please stop doing that.
The guy has counseled over 10,000 people. Your saying, oh. so what??
And what is your point, that it won't work for every. single. person. Neither does western medicine.
Holistic therapies have a better chance of getting long term, non invasive, non poisoning results then western meds. Do you know that? i like for you to tell me why, in a calm, scientific way that my previous statement is not true. Stick to facts.
Do you believe anything with the benefit of numbers?
Or is it that just because you think it won't work for you (and you don't even know if it will or won't have some kind of benefit overall, but maybe your one of those people who like to live in their ailments. Don't be mad at me that I said that. There are some people who identify themselves in their sickness. I don't know if your are one, but I can't grasp why you are holding onto to irrational arguments for dear life - or are you afraid to lose your benefits. just kidding -).
One of the worlds oldest women is 112 yrs old. For 95 of those years she smoked 30 cigarettes a day .. and still does. Japan and Greece have the highest adult smoking rates in the world .. yet have the lowest incidence of lung cancer. The five countries with the lowest adult smoking rates in the world have the highest rates of lung cancer. There are more carcinogens in everyday margarine (hydrogenated oil) than there is in cigarettes. Moral of the story ? Quit eating margarine and light up a camel
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One of the worlds oldest women is 112 yrs old. For 95 of those years she smoked 30 cigarettes a day .. and still does. Japan and Greece have the highest adult smoking rates in the world .. yet have the lowest incidence of lung cancer. The five countries with the lowest adult smoking rates in the world have the highest rates of lung cancer. There are more carcinogens in everyday margarine (hydrogenated oil) than there is in cigarettes. Moral of the story ? Quit eating margarine and light up a camel
haha..............