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J
Yes. This is the baptism of Jesus Christ, by Jesus Christ, of the Spirit from above. If I may, some advice I'd so wish to emphasize with you? The conversation here is going all directions, which they do, but I'd like to tell you it's not some recipe you need any of us to give you a formula for. You need not be confused. It's all in scripture, that link to eternal security verses a mountain of glorious scripture promises that boldly speak to gospel faith and salvation.
But what's important? Christianity is a living faith, with a living God. You just ask the Lord Jesus for His Spirit! Go to God, if you have doubts. Pray to Him, as He is there to hear you. You don't need anybody else to be involved in this. You just talk to God about it, prayerfully seek Him. He is there, He will answer, and He is all you need. And our Lord Jesus bless, keep you, and you be prayerful, be happy, just have faith, have the peace and joy of the Lord, at your baptism.
But what's important? Christianity is a living faith, with a living God. You just ask the Lord Jesus for His Spirit! Go to God, if you have doubts. Pray to Him, as He is there to hear you. You don't need anybody else to be involved in this. You just talk to God about it, prayerfully seek Him. He is there, He will answer, and He is all you need. And our Lord Jesus bless, keep you, and you be prayerful, be happy, just have faith, have the peace and joy of the Lord, at your baptism.
C
I have enjoyed reading your posts, your comments, and the scriptures that were provided what a blessing! Yes, I am still a little confused and I understand that we all have different opinions. Yes, I also understand that there are going to be some statements made that I do not agree with at all. I am going to be real open and honest with you guys, I am honestly in denial about getting baptized. I have heard several people say this. Once I walk down into the baptismal pool, what should I expect? This is the first thing that I am confused on!
Water baptism is a Representative ceremony,
(not a magic formula for 'getting right' with God,
as some ppl erroneously teach.)
Going under the water represents your identification
with Jesus' death on the cross.
It means that when He died,
He died to pay for your sins,
and your 'going under' represents outwardly,
your 'death to self'.
Inwardly, this is done by grace through faith in Jesus.
Jesus died in your place, and you're acknowledging that
in a public ceremony, that it was you who was
deserving of the penalty which Jesus paid.
When you come up out of the water, it represents
the fact that Jesus rose from death and the grave,
and is alive forevermore.
It represents that now that Jesus is your Lord and Savior,
you are identified as a new creation in Christ,
you are passed from death to life, your sins are forgiven,
and you've been given the gift of eternal life.
Again, this ceremonial 'rising from the dead'
(from under water)
represents publicly that the
Risen Jesus Christ IS your Lord and Savior.
There are many bible verses that exemplify this,
but perhaps you may want to take the following one
and tuck it in your heart, and may the Lord
bless you richly during your wonderful ceremony,
and grant you peace and joy in His everlasting love.
~~~Galatians2:20 kjv~~~
'I am crucified with Christ:
nevertheles I live; yet not I,
but Christ lives in me:
and the life I now live in the flesh
I live by the faith of the Son of God,
who loved me, and gave himself for me.'
Praise the Lord, and congratulations!
(not a magic formula for 'getting right' with God,
as some ppl erroneously teach.)
Going under the water represents your identification
with Jesus' death on the cross.
It means that when He died,
He died to pay for your sins,
and your 'going under' represents outwardly,
your 'death to self'.
Inwardly, this is done by grace through faith in Jesus.
Jesus died in your place, and you're acknowledging that
in a public ceremony, that it was you who was
deserving of the penalty which Jesus paid.
When you come up out of the water, it represents
the fact that Jesus rose from death and the grave,
and is alive forevermore.
It represents that now that Jesus is your Lord and Savior,
you are identified as a new creation in Christ,
you are passed from death to life, your sins are forgiven,
and you've been given the gift of eternal life.
Again, this ceremonial 'rising from the dead'
(from under water)
represents publicly that the
Risen Jesus Christ IS your Lord and Savior.
There are many bible verses that exemplify this,
but perhaps you may want to take the following one
and tuck it in your heart, and may the Lord
bless you richly during your wonderful ceremony,
and grant you peace and joy in His everlasting love.
~~~Galatians2:20 kjv~~~
'I am crucified with Christ:
nevertheles I live; yet not I,
but Christ lives in me:
and the life I now live in the flesh
I live by the faith of the Son of God,
who loved me, and gave himself for me.'
Praise the Lord, and congratulations!
B
What are you confused about? Simply follow the minister's lead. You'll be fine.
As folks have said, the minister will probably call you into the pool, say a few words, and then walk you through the baptism step-by-step.
Here's a video of a baptismal service at a local church I attended last October: (https://www.facebook.com/greg.chaney/videos/10153651073258838)
As folks have said, the minister will probably call you into the pool, say a few words, and then walk you through the baptism step-by-step.
Here's a video of a baptismal service at a local church I attended last October: (https://www.facebook.com/greg.chaney/videos/10153651073258838)
C
What are you confused about? Simply follow the minister's lead. You'll be fine.
As folks have said, the minister will probably call you into the pool, say a few words, and then walk you through the baptism step-by-step.
Here's a video of a baptismal service at a local church I attended last October: (https://www.facebook.com/greg.chaney/videos/10153651073258838)
As folks have said, the minister will probably call you into the pool, say a few words, and then walk you through the baptism step-by-step.
Here's a video of a baptismal service at a local church I attended last October: (https://www.facebook.com/greg.chaney/videos/10153651073258838)
Repentance in regards to receiving salvation is always coupled with believe and we are not saved by repentance "alone" as if we simply change our mind about "whatever" and don't believe the gospel but are saved anyway. *Notice also that repentance precedes believe/believe the gospel/faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. *Notice the order.
Mark 1:15 - Repent and believe the gospel. *Notice the order.
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. *Notice the order.
The Bible sometimes only mentions repentance as a condition for salvation. One example of this would be Luke 13:3, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Also see Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; Acts 5:31 etc.. A few times both repentance and believe/faith are mentioned in the same verse (Matthew 21:32; Mark 1:15; Acts 20:21). There are many, many verses which only mention believe/faith as the condition for salvation (John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8 etc..).
Repentance in receiving salvation is a "change of mind" and the new direction of this change of mind is faith in Christ for salvation. *Two sides to the same coin. When only repentance is mentioned, believe/faith is implied or assumed. When only believe/faith is mentioned, repentance is implied or assumed. Where you have one you must have the other.
If you truly repented, then you now believe the gospel. If you believe the gospel, then you already repented in the process of changing your mind and choosing to believe the gospel. Repentance and believe/faith are inseparable in receiving salvation. Not so with baptism. *You can repent and believe the gospel and NOT YET BE WATER BAPTIZED (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18).
Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. *Notice the order.
Mark 1:15 - Repent and believe the gospel. *Notice the order.
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. *Notice the order.
The Bible sometimes only mentions repentance as a condition for salvation. One example of this would be Luke 13:3, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Also see Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; Acts 5:31 etc.. A few times both repentance and believe/faith are mentioned in the same verse (Matthew 21:32; Mark 1:15; Acts 20:21). There are many, many verses which only mention believe/faith as the condition for salvation (John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8 etc..).
Repentance in receiving salvation is a "change of mind" and the new direction of this change of mind is faith in Christ for salvation. *Two sides to the same coin. When only repentance is mentioned, believe/faith is implied or assumed. When only believe/faith is mentioned, repentance is implied or assumed. Where you have one you must have the other.
If you truly repented, then you now believe the gospel. If you believe the gospel, then you already repented in the process of changing your mind and choosing to believe the gospel. Repentance and believe/faith are inseparable in receiving salvation. Not so with baptism. *You can repent and believe the gospel and NOT YET BE WATER BAPTIZED (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17,18).
You are very welcome!
We are placed into the body of Christ through Spirit baptism when we believe the gospel/receive Christ through faith. Acts 11:16 - Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, 'John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' 17 If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?"
Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation - having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise.
To be thirsty for Christ, come to Him and drink. A spiritual longing to receive Christ and know God. Just as our physical bodies long for physical water, our spirit longs for living water. The sons of Korah sang, "As the deer pants for streams of water, so my soul pants for you, O God. My soul thirsts for God, for the living God (Psalm 42:1-2). In Isaiah 12:3 we read, "With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation."
Believers receive the Holy Spirit when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ/believe the gospel (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17; Ephesians 1:13). Water baptism is not the cause of receiving the Holy Spirit, as we saw in Acts 10:43-47, in which Cornelius and his household received the gift of the Holy Spirit BEFORE water baptism. John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mother's womb (Luke 1:15; 1:41). Of course this was before he was water baptized. The apostle Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit before he was water baptized (Acts 9:17,18). So water baptism is neither the cause of receiving or being filled with the Holy Spirit.
God bless you my young sister in Christ!
We are placed into the body of Christ through Spirit baptism when we believe the gospel/receive Christ through faith. Acts 11:16 - Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, 'John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' 17 If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?"
Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation - having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise.
To be thirsty for Christ, come to Him and drink. A spiritual longing to receive Christ and know God. Just as our physical bodies long for physical water, our spirit longs for living water. The sons of Korah sang, "As the deer pants for streams of water, so my soul pants for you, O God. My soul thirsts for God, for the living God (Psalm 42:1-2). In Isaiah 12:3 we read, "With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation."
Believers receive the Holy Spirit when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ/believe the gospel (Acts 10:43-47; 11:17; Ephesians 1:13). Water baptism is not the cause of receiving the Holy Spirit, as we saw in Acts 10:43-47, in which Cornelius and his household received the gift of the Holy Spirit BEFORE water baptism. John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while still in his mother's womb (Luke 1:15; 1:41). Of course this was before he was water baptized. The apostle Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit before he was water baptized (Acts 9:17,18). So water baptism is neither the cause of receiving or being filled with the Holy Spirit.
God bless you my young sister in Christ!
It is good you are going slow and asking the opinion of others. It was almost 25 years in my Christian walk when I began to understand the purpose for the doctrine, like all doctrines of God that fall like rain upon our hearts making them soft.
I think you should first of all expect that when you have performed the will of God as a good thing that adds nothing to the work of Christ but does show a heart he has prepared making it willing to continue to believe .. In this case it shows ones new desire depending on the foundation of what one believes which as to the true roots it can easily be searched out if a person is interested.
Differences in opinion and how we begin as to the foundation of the doctrine to understand the ceremonial law of (h20) baptism not to be confused with the water by the word our hearing of faith as it roots are shown below in Exodus. The purpose of entering the ministry of the priesthood as shown by an outward demonstration remains the same.
Exodus 40:12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water.
The end is the same as any ceremonial law they provide no real substance but are required.. But if you are interested in searching out the foundation of the h2o purifying law that John was discussing with others who were familiar with the ordinance, again we must go to the beginning of the matter.
According to the purifying ordinance done with human hands it must be a Levite who performs the work. This is unlike the baptism of the Holy Spirit done without human hands by and through he water of the word, the unseen eternal spiritual work God works in us. It is why John the Baptist from the Levite family was used to baptize Jesus from the tribe of Judas .This was before he was sent out into the wilderness to begin His priestly duty of bringing the gospel into the world.
The question below is in regard to the foundation of the doctrine.
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.For John was not yet cast into prison.Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. Joh 3:23
I think you should first of all expect that when you have performed the will of God as a good thing that adds nothing to the work of Christ but does show a heart he has prepared making it willing to continue to believe .. In this case it shows ones new desire depending on the foundation of what one believes which as to the true roots it can easily be searched out if a person is interested.
Differences in opinion and how we begin as to the foundation of the doctrine to understand the ceremonial law of (h20) baptism not to be confused with the water by the word our hearing of faith as it roots are shown below in Exodus. The purpose of entering the ministry of the priesthood as shown by an outward demonstration remains the same.
Exodus 40:12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water.
The end is the same as any ceremonial law they provide no real substance but are required.. But if you are interested in searching out the foundation of the h2o purifying law that John was discussing with others who were familiar with the ordinance, again we must go to the beginning of the matter.
According to the purifying ordinance done with human hands it must be a Levite who performs the work. This is unlike the baptism of the Holy Spirit done without human hands by and through he water of the word, the unseen eternal spiritual work God works in us. It is why John the Baptist from the Levite family was used to baptize Jesus from the tribe of Judas .This was before he was sent out into the wilderness to begin His priestly duty of bringing the gospel into the world.
The question below is in regard to the foundation of the doctrine.
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.For John was not yet cast into prison.Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. Joh 3:23
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C
The church is divided on spiritual gifts. Some churches believe the gifts of the spirit exist today and others teach that it ceased. Some of us want to know the truth and on top of that, there are a lot of false teachers who use this as an avenue to get attention. And others go off the deep end. What we want to know is truth. What does the Bible really say? And I won't tell you what to think. I will let you figure it out. But what a church believes is how they will teach you on baptism.