Thats Not My Calling: The Great Commission.A Christian Call To Arms

[MsSuzanna]

Well I was in ministry. And I am now speaking ONLY of the people and churches I ministered in, which in over 20yrs of ministry was hundreds of churches. It was very disheartening and disappointing to see the apathy of a lot of Christians. Many would put two dollars in the love offering and go spend 40 at the local diner. We traveled from church to church,did outdoor concerts,sang anywhere we were invited. Sang for the Salvation Army in a park in the middle of Toronto. And when people sat back in the seat with an uncaring attitude it was very frustrating.

I remember a Nazarene church we sang at where four older ladies who had come to church together all accepted the Lord that morning. We even had family accept the Lord in some of the concerts. When you stood in front of a congregation you could tell if they were serious about seeing people come to Christ or they were coming to put their time in in church. To me,the worse thing that ever happened to the church is when it moved up town. When they moved away from the little missions on the main street of town. They moved up town and they have a big electric sign out front,thats their ministry to the lost you know. Some quip that they got online. They have air conditioning and a big screen tv to watch the Super Bowl,because thats a ministry too you know! They don't sing out of the hymn books but on the wall, no one wants to hear about being a "worm". Yes, they moved up town and the only converts these days are disgruntled church members from the church down the road. This is my observation from travelling in churches of all denominations. Songs always have a way of saying best for me...



It's crowded in worship today
As she slips in trying to fade into the faces
The girls teasing laughter is carrying farther than they know
Farther than they know

But if we are the body
Why aren't His arms reaching?
Why aren't His hands healing?
Why aren't His words teaching?
And if we are the body
Why aren't His feet going?
Why is His love not showing them there is a way?
There is a way, there is a way

A traveler is far away from home
He sheds his coat and quietly sinks into the back row
The weight of their judgmental glances
Tells him that his chances are better out on the road
But if we are the body

Why aren't His arms reaching?
Why aren't His hands healing?
Why aren't His words teaching?
And if we are the body
Why aren't His feet going?
Why is His love not showing them there is a way?

Jesus paid much too high a price
For us to pick and choose who should come
And we are the body of Christ
But if we are the body
Why aren't His arms reaching?
Why aren't His hands healing?
Why aren't His words teaching?
And if we are the body
Why aren't His feet going?
Why is His love not showing them there is a way?

Jesus is the way
Jesus is the way
we are His hands
We are His feet
We are His body
Jesus is the way


SONGWRITERS
JOHN MARK HALL

Thank you very much for your input!! It really is the true temperature of Christianity today with MOST. My heart is very sad over this. All
we can do is keep putting it out there and hope that something hits home with someone. It is Gods desire that people are saved and on fire! It is better to be red hot or chilling cold than lukewarm! Many are "vomit" christians.

Thanks for the lyrics. What singer sings that song? Id like to hear it sung.


Blessings to you sister!

 

[posthuman]

It is a clash, but they are not venomous vipers. You are not extracting their gift.

i really like what you said here.

over the last couple weeks in discussions with my wife, God has been revealing to both of us something, and i was led to teach on it last week -- about the pearl of great price, and the field with a treasure in it.

we've been concentrating on talking about loving others for quite a while now at my church in several groups, especially those who are 'hard to love' -- as some are 'easy' and some are not so easy!
. . and what i came to see was that all people are like this parable: in them is a treasure, a precious thing that God sees that is to Him worth setting aside all His glory and humbling Himself beyond understanding, "selling all that He has" in order to obtain. the field itself may be full of thorns and rocks, ill-watered, not suitable for building on or planting a field, and utterly worthless as real estate by every measure -- but He gave His very Son in order to purchase it, because of something in it that He sees, of such great value.

we need to see with His eyes in order to love as He loves - and so we need to look at others like this: we see a field, a worthless, desolate field - but within it is something God considers worth dying on a cross and being spit on and totally disrespected for. we need to realize that, and we need to look for that in others.

to "extract their gift" as you said, popeye.

i like what you said there very much

we are all made in Him for each other - all are for you, and each is for all. don't discard each other; the Lord has not discarded you!

 

[posthuman]

Thanks for the lyrics. What singer sings that song? Id like to hear it sung.

it's by Casting Crowns -- i love this song too

here you go:

[video=youtube;z4wojcSO9Ww]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4wojcSO9Ww[/video]

 

[MsSuzanna]

That's true and IMO it became +1 when you arrived. At least that's been my experience with your "tongue" towards me.

I apologize that you have that impression of me but usually those who adhere to works salvation will not get anything but rebuttal from me. We are saved by grace alone faith alone .
I cling to Jesus. I didnt come here to follow along in your perversion of the gospel of Christ.

 

[PeterJens]

Many are "vomit" christians.

This sounds like someone is angry from to little recognition.
Most christians I have met are just people who have found Christ. Most are weak, often damaged individuals who appreciate the Lords love and have gained new life through His Spirit.

The people who went to church from tradition have largely left, and cannot be bothered. Those who do go, go for a good reason and often at a cost. Some cannot articulate why or how, just that they love Jesus.

It is always up to God to close fellowships, move people on, change inspirations. He is our Lord and judge, but this type of contribution "vomit christians" seems to be not out of insight or understanding but personal problems.

 

[kaylagrl]

it's by Casting Crowns -- i love this song too

here you go:

[video=youtube;z4wojcSO9Ww]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4wojcSO9Ww[/video]

Ahh thanks for posting! Their songs really grab me and give me a good shake.lol

 

[posthuman]

those who adhere to works salvation will not get anything but rebuttal from me. We are saved by grace alone faith alone .
I cling to Jesus. I didnt come here to follow along in your perversion of the gospel of Christ.

i'm pretty sure HRFTD actually believes and teaches that salvation is by grace, not works.
i had the wrong impression of him in the past because i wasn't paying close enough attention to what he says; i was not being humble myself, and i was 'jumping to conclusions' about others.

i feel now like he catches a lot of undeserved flak, and i gave him some in the past too, and am sorry for it, so in my heart i want to make up for that, i guess.
but he can tell you for himself, if he thinks it's worth telling you.

 

[Yet]

Why can't we all just get along?

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a good one too that we all can rest in .....


[video=youtube;djrY_eFDOwE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djrY_eFDOwE[/video]

 

[JesusLives]

I give credit where its due.



I can hear your mocking tone as if you know me. You dont know me. I am actually a very kind soft hearted person. This site is full of venimous vipers.
You have two faces. I do not desire to be your friend.

Most all of the time I try to be funny and it is obvious that you are not in the camp that enjoys my type of humor.....No one said you have to be my friend, but I have extended that courtesy to you and you are welcome not to reach out and take the friendship request... I don't force anyone to be my friend but I usually extend it to everyone bosom buddy or not.

 

[PeterJens]

A small observation. Grace7x77 was into condemnation of jezebel spirited christians, or the legalists who had to be condemned, exposed and ejected. One contributor shared it was his ministry to do exactly that.

Oddly for a ministry this is not in scripture or shared by the apostles. I do not know why this "grace" group of beleivers seems to have such a thorny and agressive condemnation of normal loving and caring believers, but there it is. Is it not by their fruits you will know them?

It is also strange that those who preach a dispensational gospel, disregard Jesus's words as applying to believers then call those who obey Jesus as being peverse. Maybe looking in the mirror too much turns the real realities upside down.

 

[posthuman]

Ahh thanks for posting! Their songs really grab me and give me a good shake.lol

you're welcome! yes, i love them too!
and i love their name!

And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives forever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
“Worthy are you, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they existed and were created.”
(Revelation 4:9-11)
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[49]

Why can't we all just get along?

This is too funny!

 

[PeterJens]

Why can't we all just get along?

Yet... you make me laugh. Your pet problem is ministers/pastors ripping the church off, so I think you can answer your own question, because we do not agree over some simple fundamental concepts.

 

[posthuman]

Here is a good one too that we all can rest in .....


[video=youtube;djrY_eFDOwE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djrY_eFDOwE[/video]

hey thanks! this one is wonderful too!! it is a favorite of our 'worship leader' and we sing it often when we meet on sundays. i always 'change' the lyrics a little bit when i sing:

♪ you are perfect, you are, oh Yahweh
how perfect you are Yahweh!
you are perfect in all of your ways to us ♫
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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I apologize that you have that impression of me but usually those who adhere to works salvation will not get anything but rebuttal from me. We are saved by grace alone faith alone .
I cling to Jesus. I didnt come here to follow along in your perversion of the gospel of Christ.

Well then you need to rebuttal yourself because your guilt-tripping about witnessing is nothing more than works-based righteousness that puts all kinds of people into bondage, and makes them take their eyes off of walking by the spirit.

Again, you have no idea what I believe. You simply allowed yourself to be influenced by some serpent tongues here.

 

[PeterJens]

Just a small point to make. As we do not agree about some of the fundamental concepts around salvation, this audience will never agree about evangelism, because we are not evangelising about the same principles in the same way.

It is why the question only makes sense when the audience believe in the same way as the asker of the question.

 

[kaylagrl]

This sounds like someone is angry from to little recognition.
Most christians I have met are just people who have found Christ. Most are weak, often damaged individuals who appreciate the Lords love and have gained new life through His Spirit.

The people who went to church from tradition have largely left, and cannot be bothered. Those who do go, go for a good reason and often at a cost. Some cannot articulate why or how, just that they love Jesus.

It is always up to God to close fellowships, move people on, change inspirations. He is our Lord and judge, but this type of contribution "vomit christians" seems to be not out of insight or understanding but personal problems.

She has a very direct way of speaking. She's talking,I believe,about God saying He will spew you out of His mouth. I can only speak for myself and my own words in these forums. But there are people on CC that are confrontational, rude and very direct and yet they seem to be well received and respected by most here. I see likes on their posts all the time. But it seems,to me,that people here have ganged up on Ms Susanna and attacked her and she,like all of us,is left trying to defend herself. I dont often step in but I think if people can accept "not naming names" that have been here a while,they can accept Ms Susanna. No one likes to be ganged up on. There are plenty people here that spout off and have to apologize after. So lets chill out. If you disagree with her so much then skip her threads. But it seems some here near get away with murder and no one picks them up on it. And if you've been here a while you know the people I am referring to. So lets calm down a bit and stop attacking one another. If we cant get along,how will we evangelize/witness to others? And this post wasn't directed at you Peter.

 

[PeterJens]

If we cant get along,how will we evangelize/witness to others? And this post wasn't directed at you Peter.

I agree with your point, I cannot accept the two words "vomit" and "christians" put together.

I am pointing out a spirit that is apparent among some, that is all.

 

[oyster67]

There are some people who can't evangelize in the traditional way that many Christians view it, which is fine. Sometimes their lives are the best evangelism there is.

One thing that comes to mind here is that we must all remain sensitive to the Spirit's leading. It is amazing how the Spirit can enable even the meekest of Christians when the time is right.

(Luke 12:11 [KJV])
And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and [unto] magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:

(Luke 12:12 [KJV])
For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.