trying to figure out what Gods plan is with having my back get so messed up.
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I'm going to tell you that even WHILE a person is going through an affliction, God IS glorified. Glorification does not only come afterwards, but also DURING the affliction. God says those who persevere through afflictions are blessed, and don't I know it!!
The people you know who succumbed to their addictions did not die because they couldn't cope with their life problems. That's just a cop out. They died because they didn't let God help them, and they didn't glorify him in any way during their drunken, high times. Those of us here who have severe disabilities or afflictions are grateful. Blain, Angela, Depleted, myself and so many others here glorify God during our times of hardship. We thank God for giving us our trials, because it only makes us spiritually and emotionally stronger in our faith. Even Joni gave God the glory for her accident that left her paralyzed. To say that God is only glorified AFTER an affliction is absolutely ridiculous. God can be glorified at ANY TIME during an affliction.
Many people when they are afflicted with something, be it divorce, adultery, illness or whatever, tend to say stuff like "why me? WHY is this happening to ME?". Well, the answer is simple: why NOT them? They are'nt exempt from hard times, so why not them to give a hardship to? Too many blame God for their troubles, and treat him like a genie in a bottle. They think they can just sit on their butts and do nothing, and let God do all the work. It don't work that way, a person has to be proactive in dealing with their situation to better it. For example, if I was still in an abusive relationship with my ex, I'd probably be dead right now, because he tried strangling me. Or if I hadn't had a pap smear/D&C done to deal with my periods, I'd never have known I had uterine cancer until it was too late. Or if I hadn't gone to the hospital ER last year to get treatment for my herniated disk/sciatica, I'd still be stuck in bed with it today and be in agonizing pain. However, I CHOSE to leave my abusive ex, I CHOSE to have the pap smear done, and I CHOSE to go to the ER, so in essence I was proactive in helping God heal me of those things.
The ones who don't help themselves, and the ones who choose to blame God for their hardships, are the ones that I have pity for.
Then perhaps you just haven't learned any lessons from your hardships. I certainly have, and I'm sure several others here also have too. I've had epileptic seizures since age 5, and while the grand mal ones are fully controlled, the petit mal ones aren't and I still have them all the time. I don't know how much thanks or glory you've given to God during your hardships, but you might want to try it sometime, instead of bemoaning your situation.
This is the most ignorant, insulting reply I have read yet today. Are you serious?! We need deliverance from evil spirits? That's just ridiculous. Evil spirits do NOT cause illness or hardships. And don't even say that we don't have enough faith, or enough belief to be healed. You are very uninformed on how God deals with illness. He gives us illnesses and hardships to deal with, in order to make us more like him. I suggest you go read Angela's response on page 2. She explains it perfectly. It really ticks me off when people like you tell others that they need deliverance from demons, or need to have more faith. Your reply is just so condescending and unhelpful, IMO.
Seriously? You await God's giving? Well, let's see what he's given you so far, shall we?
He has given you life, both physical and eternal. He probably has given you a wife and kids. He's given you somewhat relatively good health. He's given you trials and tribulations in order to make you a better, stronger, more spiritually sound person. He's given you a home, a vehicle, and a computer or other device to access CC with so that you can connect with other christians. He's given you friends and family. God has given ALL of this to you? So what else are you waiting for him to give you? Complete healing? Sorry, but that will NOT happen in this lifetime, in this crappy fallen world. You need to just deal with your hardships as best you can, and give glory to God, instead of complaints that you haven't received healing..
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I am waiting for the OP to come back and post...,
The other folks should make their own thread and I refuse to reward their trollish, rude behavior with a response.
But recommend all re-read the verses on the difference between worldly wisdom and wisdom from above...difference between godly sorrow and worldly sorrow....especially if you think yourself a scholar.
The other folks should make their own thread and I refuse to reward their trollish, rude behavior with a response.
But recommend all re-read the verses on the difference between worldly wisdom and wisdom from above...difference between godly sorrow and worldly sorrow....especially if you think yourself a scholar.
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The man blind from birth didn't have any of the things you suggest.
John 9:1-3 NKJV
[1] Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. [2] And His
disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he
was born blind?" [3] Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that
the works of God should be revealed in him.
John 9:1-3 NKJV
[1] Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. [2] And His
disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he
was born blind?" [3] Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that
the works of God should be revealed in him.
Yes we need deliverance from evil spirits!
Ephesians 6:12 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]places.[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Our fight is with spiritual entities warring against us! One third of Jesus Christ's ministry was Deliverance from evil spirits![/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jesus Christ went about healing ALL who where oppressed by the DEVIL (Acts 10:38).
Matthew 12: [/FONT]When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Luke 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. 24And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.25When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
God is the one who heals us, a big part of Jesus ministry was healing and deliverance from evil spirits, and he told us to go and do the same ! I have given you scriptural references to the devil oppressing people and Jesus healing them. It is not He's will that anyone goes about with illness because he is the Healer and want us life and life in more abundance. Illness and sickness ARE associated with evil spirits, and transgression to God's commands are a direct cause of it. The solution is obedience and deliverance in Jesus name! Do not be ignorant of this scriptural truth.
Ephesians 6:12 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]places.[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Our fight is with spiritual entities warring against us! One third of Jesus Christ's ministry was Deliverance from evil spirits![/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jesus Christ went about healing ALL who where oppressed by the DEVIL (Acts 10:38).
Matthew 12: [/FONT]When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Luke 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. 24And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.25When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
God is the one who heals us, a big part of Jesus ministry was healing and deliverance from evil spirits, and he told us to go and do the same ! I have given you scriptural references to the devil oppressing people and Jesus healing them. It is not He's will that anyone goes about with illness because he is the Healer and want us life and life in more abundance. Illness and sickness ARE associated with evil spirits, and transgression to God's commands are a direct cause of it. The solution is obedience and deliverance in Jesus name! Do not be ignorant of this scriptural truth.
So in your estimation, I've had demons since I was 5? I DON'T THINK SO.. "Powers and principalities" are referring to governments and people in high positions, they aren't referring to demons. Transgression of God's commands is NOT a direct cause of illness. We get ill because we live in an evil, fallen world, where environment and stress or trauma are the biggest factors of getting an illness. Demons cannot cause illness, such as epilepsy or cancer. They don't have that kind of power. They can only do what GOD allows them to do.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts! The scriptures are clear on the subject. What you choose to do about it is up to you. The whole world lies in the hand of the wicked one. I already gave you a scripture which says: Go and sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon thee. And that if we are diligent to keep God's commandments he will make sure none of the illnesses come upon us and he is the one who heals us. You cant cover up these scriptural facts with your own opinions. It is unbiblical and you are going against the word of God.
I have given you three examples from the Bible which shows that the healing takes place first, then the glorification of God occurs afterwards. Can you show me three examples from that same source which shows the opposite? I fully realize that the churches teach people to accept their fate of sickness as it supposedly is good for the soul. But the New Testament gives us example after example which teach us that healing is a sign of divine forgiveness of sin. In fact Jesus was quoted as saying "thy sins are forgiven" when a person was healed. And another instance (I forget which one) where a person was not healed meaning that he clearly was not forgiven of his sins ever what they were.
The Bible teaches that "greater miracles than these" are to be performed via the power of the Holy Spirit. I see NOTHING in the New Testament which teaches that we are not to have miracles and healings. If being sick to you constitutes "blessings" than so be it. But when I see NT teaching I see that sickness is oppression of the devil (Acts 10:38).
In your post, you express your opinion. In my post I invoke biblical teaching. Again, if you can show me where you opinion trumps biblical teaching I shall happily accept that your ideas have more validity.
If God could heal us once and for all, we would be immortal and have no need of doctors or medicine or procedures and surgeries.. Illness befalls us because we live in an evil corrupted world. Not because God is displeased with us. Babies get born with illnesses, do you honestly believe an newborn baby has demons or God is displeased with it? Get real.
God never wanted us sick to begin with. His original plan got ruined because of sin, which HE ALLOWED to come into the world. Us fallen mortals needed a Savior, and that's why he allows evil. That is why all manners of bad things befall us. He gives us these things so we will draw closer to him in our times of trouble. If he DOES want us CONSTANTLY healthy, then why doesn't he do a one-time healing, instead of a million times?
Then perhaps you just haven't learned any lessons from your hardships. I certainly have, and I'm sure several others here also have too. I've had epileptic seizures since age 5, and while the grand mal ones are fully controlled, the petit mal ones aren't and I still have them all the time. I don't know how much thanks or glory you've given to God during your hardships, but you might want to try it sometime, instead of bemoaning your situation.
I have had seizures since I was born. I was so sick that I was declared dead and was about to be buried when I woke up.
You say illness does not come from demons (post # 66), please re-read the Bible which tells us that illness is oppression from the devil as I wrote above. Demons cause deafness and muteness: Matt: 12:22; Mark 9:17; Luke 9:1,2 & 9:39; Acts 5:16 & 8:7. I can easily give you ten more examples from the Bible.
Please note that you have failed to use actual biblical quotes to support the arguments you are making. By contrast, I continually use actual biblical quotes to support my views. As before, I quoted the Bible to prove that God is glorified AFTER the healing takes place, not before. You argue that he is glorified beforehand. Please present biblical quotes that trump my quotes so that you may be believed.