trying to figure out what Gods plan is with having my back get so messed up.
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Yep, just as no one wants to follow a man who died upon a cross, penniless and abandoned and alone...
No one wants to be beaten and thrown in prison.
No one wants to be nailed upside down on a cross like Apostle Peter
No one wants to rot in a Roman prison. Like Apostle Paul...
No one wants to die because they refused to curse God, renounce Jesus and walk over a cross like it's nothing.
No one whose eyes are on money, no one who believes that treasures in this world are promised to them by God. No one who doesnt, know no matter how healthy this body is, it will die and rot in the ground...
No one except God's people would chose to suffer for His glory and ensure hardship and pain because they know this life and world are temporary.
No one wants to be beaten and thrown in prison.
No one wants to be nailed upside down on a cross like Apostle Peter
No one wants to rot in a Roman prison. Like Apostle Paul...
No one wants to die because they refused to curse God, renounce Jesus and walk over a cross like it's nothing.
No one whose eyes are on money, no one who believes that treasures in this world are promised to them by God. No one who doesnt, know no matter how healthy this body is, it will die and rot in the ground...
No one except God's people would chose to suffer for His glory and ensure hardship and pain because they know this life and world are temporary.
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God doesn't owe you anything.
If people got that through their heads, then maybe they can begin thanking God for,the many blessings He has given you.
Who are you to demand anything from the maker of Heaven?
Can you give God anything?
Yet people expect God to give you everything.
God gives you air you breathe, have you thanked Him for it today?
If people got that through their heads, then maybe they can begin thanking God for,the many blessings He has given you.
Who are you to demand anything from the maker of Heaven?
Can you give God anything?
Yet people expect God to give you everything.
God gives you air you breathe, have you thanked Him for it today?
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I will pray that God will reveal what you can do with the time and ability you have been blessed with to further His kingdom and bring glory to His name.
May God's healing touch bring comfort to your soul and May the,peace of the Lord encompass you in His love. May His Holy angels surround you and drive out any darkness. But above all may you draw closer to God and gain wisdom and power from above to know what His will is for your life.
Your will be done Lord on Earth as in Heaven. In Jesus name we pray, amen.
May God's healing touch bring comfort to your soul and May the,peace of the Lord encompass you in His love. May His Holy angels surround you and drive out any darkness. But above all may you draw closer to God and gain wisdom and power from above to know what His will is for your life.
Your will be done Lord on Earth as in Heaven. In Jesus name we pray, amen.
I am aware of that story.
Today, many people are fans of women's sports but this is largely new for many. As for me, I have long been a fan of women's sports. My first sports heroine was Olympic diver Paula Pope who was the original Super Mom. By 1967 he retired as diver, became a coach, teacher, businesswoman, wife, mother, and role model for all. Thus, women's Olympic diving has always been one of my favorite sports.
Joni's story, though tragic and ultimately triumphant for her is just that: her story, not mine. While I admire her strength and ability to withstand her crisis, this was never my experience. While she has accepted her fate she fails to note that the Bible indicates "ask and ye shall receive". On that basis healing should take place upon request. As she admits in her speech at BIOLA, her experience is not necessarily a template for all other persons. Just because she was healed spiritually, it does not automatically follow that the same follows for anyone else.
Another thing that is admirable about Miss Joni is the fact that she is a disability rights advocate. Back in the late 1960s when in high school and becoming a peacenik, I also became a disability rights advocate. I lobbied for passage of the law which became the Americans With Disability Act long before others chimed in on that effort. It ultimately was passed in 1990*. Today, I benefit from this legislation as I have been issued a limited mobility bus pass and can travel throughout the Twin Cities at reduced fares.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGA_Tour,_Inc._v._Martin
The Supreme Court majority decision was 100% spot on. As one who lobbied for its passage and with a law degree (albeit one that is worthless), I could easily have written that decision.
A thought occurred to me re Joni and others who are like minded. These unfortunate souls, somehow, feel that the illness or suffering is good because it glorifies God. Indeed, that is what so many Christian professing churches teach. However, they are in error as shown in John 11:4 where Lazarus got sick and died. Jesus said that his untimely illness and death glorified God only after he was healed. This was the same when Dorcas was healed (Acts 9:36 et seq) and the young girl of Matthew 9:26. Each was healed first then came the glorification of God. The idea that sickness by itself glorifies God and that you should be happy to be ill or disabled so that the glorification comes about by itself is putting the cart before the horse.
Everyone is, of course, free to praise God all they want. But if the Bible is to be believed, if it is true that each of Jesus's ministers can duplicate and surpass all of his miracles as stated in John 14:12, if healing miracles truly represent the divine forgiveness of sin, then (in theory, at least) you have no business being blind or sitting on a wheelchair. Those of you who, like me, suffers illness or anything else, let's first get healed as there is plenty of time to glorify God later.
Everyone is, of course, free to praise God all they want. But if the Bible is to be believed, if it is true that each of Jesus's ministers can duplicate and surpass all of his miracles as stated in John 14:12, if healing miracles truly represent the divine forgiveness of sin, then (in theory, at least) you have no business being blind or sitting on a wheelchair. Those of you who, like me, suffers illness or anything else, let's first get healed as there is plenty of time to glorify God later.
Are you keeping the laws, statutes and commandments of the bible and walking in the newness of life ? Have you recieved the Holy Spirit since you believed ? You most likely need deliverance from evil spirits and live a life separated away from the world in holiness with quiet and peace in order to be healed.
Peacenik, please don't call us "unfortunate souls". I consider myself very blessed to have all my ailments, because each one has only made me stronger for having come through it. 
I know you don't hold the same view, but please don't say we are unfortunate. I am richer (more fortunate) than you will ever even know..
I know you don't hold the same view, but please don't say we are unfortunate. I am richer (more fortunate) than you will ever even know.. Work on cleansing your spirit and walking in obedience to the commandments and teachings, remove all toxic people from your life and presence. Jesus gives the Holy Spirit baptism with fire to those who obey him. Work on holiness and that will make an environment inductive for the Holy Spirit to come and dwell in. He cannot dwell in an unclean temple, and friendship with this world is what makes our spirit darkened and vexed.
Peacenik, please don't call us "unfortunate souls". I consider myself very blessed to have all my ailments, because each one has only made me stronger for having come through it. I know you don't hold the same view, but please don't say we are unfortunate. I am richer (more fortunate) than you will ever even know..
I know you don't hold the same view, but please don't say we are unfortunate. I am richer (more fortunate) than you will ever even know..
Wonderful. You have a very positive and commendable attitude.
Sadly, there are many people who will never know that type of serenity. I have known several people who succumbed to alcoholism and drug addiction because they could not cope with their life problems. Certainly did not mean to equate Joni who accepts her fate with those who do not. However, I do stand by my interpretation of what the Bible teaches in that illness or death such as that suffered by Lazarus, Dorcas, and the little girl serve to glorify God only after they are healed of the affliction. The verses I previously quoted clearly show that.
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I figure you'd be aware of that story. It's not her autobiography. It's truly about what she learned when she and Steve spent six months studying the Bible to answer the obvious question, "Why me?"
I've been a Christian for 44 years. I heard all the excuses given for God on why he let those blasted jets crash into the Trade Center. What a pile of malarky I heard! Big pile! As if God just couldn't help it! It wasn't good enough for me. Matter of fact, it added fuel to my fire, because they were also telling me that inept god just couldn't help it that I have a bad back over some stupid little mistake orderlies or medical students did in an operating room!
I've heard miraculous stories of God's divine intervention where people were miraculously healed. Good for them. Why doesn't God do that for me?
I've read books and books about how to deal with pain -- from believers and nonbelievers. (Actually, only one from a believer -- C.S. Lewis. But, I think his book is a pile of malarkey too.) Know what I got from them? "The best way to deal with pain is to advert your mind to something else." It's true. I helps. It doesn't erase pain, but it isn't the one and only thing occupying the mind anymore.
But why can't God fix my pain? And then worse! Why doesn't he fix my husband's pain?
Does this sound like just another well-meaning Christian telling you "Grin and bear it?" I almost punched the blasted doctor that told me that. The only thing that stopped me from punching him, (and I'm not really a violent person, so when I mean "punch" literally it's bad), is he told that to me over the phone. I do tell people IRL who start in on that whole line of manure firmly ingrained in the modern fabric of Christianity who are about to tell me that either God can't help it or it's my fault because either I sinned or I don't believe enough to shut up before they get the words out. Those are the biggest cop outs I've ever heard, and the only ones buying it are strictly those idiots who truly don't think God is quite that powerful.
So, yes, you know Joni's story. I'm giving you the opportunity to find out why God chose you specifically NOT to be healed. And it ain't that blasted Christian bull we've been given all of our disabled-Christian lives. I really couldn't care less about another miracle story or do-gooder story. I don't give that junk to others who really need a real answer to "Why me?" if for no other reason than I spent a good five years reading all about those crappy answers until I found the book that really did answer.
And it's a good answer. And it's a real answer. And, once you learn it, you no longer have to waste yet more time either trying to find out Why Me or trying to force yourself into not asking anymore. There is another choice -- the truth.
Not an autobiography. The truth by someone who did need that answer and not because she might turn into a disability advocate some day. She was 17. She had no idea what God's plans were for her. All she saw was the same thing we saw -- this isn't supposed to be like that if God is who he says he is. But she did what we did not. She didn't go to books, articles, the Internet, advice from friends and love ones. She took her question to God himself. And he answered THE TRUTH!
I've been a Christian for 44 years. I heard all the excuses given for God on why he let those blasted jets crash into the Trade Center. What a pile of malarky I heard! Big pile! As if God just couldn't help it! It wasn't good enough for me. Matter of fact, it added fuel to my fire, because they were also telling me that inept god just couldn't help it that I have a bad back over some stupid little mistake orderlies or medical students did in an operating room!
I've heard miraculous stories of God's divine intervention where people were miraculously healed. Good for them. Why doesn't God do that for me?
I've read books and books about how to deal with pain -- from believers and nonbelievers. (Actually, only one from a believer -- C.S. Lewis. But, I think his book is a pile of malarkey too.) Know what I got from them? "The best way to deal with pain is to advert your mind to something else." It's true. I helps. It doesn't erase pain, but it isn't the one and only thing occupying the mind anymore.
But why can't God fix my pain? And then worse! Why doesn't he fix my husband's pain?
Does this sound like just another well-meaning Christian telling you "Grin and bear it?" I almost punched the blasted doctor that told me that. The only thing that stopped me from punching him, (and I'm not really a violent person, so when I mean "punch" literally it's bad), is he told that to me over the phone. I do tell people IRL who start in on that whole line of manure firmly ingrained in the modern fabric of Christianity who are about to tell me that either God can't help it or it's my fault because either I sinned or I don't believe enough to shut up before they get the words out. Those are the biggest cop outs I've ever heard, and the only ones buying it are strictly those idiots who truly don't think God is quite that powerful.
So, yes, you know Joni's story. I'm giving you the opportunity to find out why God chose you specifically NOT to be healed. And it ain't that blasted Christian bull we've been given all of our disabled-Christian lives. I really couldn't care less about another miracle story or do-gooder story. I don't give that junk to others who really need a real answer to "Why me?" if for no other reason than I spent a good five years reading all about those crappy answers until I found the book that really did answer.
And it's a good answer. And it's a real answer. And, once you learn it, you no longer have to waste yet more time either trying to find out Why Me or trying to force yourself into not asking anymore. There is another choice -- the truth.
Not an autobiography. The truth by someone who did need that answer and not because she might turn into a disability advocate some day. She was 17. She had no idea what God's plans were for her. All she saw was the same thing we saw -- this isn't supposed to be like that if God is who he says he is. But she did what we did not. She didn't go to books, articles, the Internet, advice from friends and love ones. She took her question to God himself. And he answered THE TRUTH!
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Something that occurs to me. You're doing to Joni exactly what you hate others to do to you. You consider her "an unfortunate soul."
Should we then just look at you as someone to pity? Or maybe you owe yourself a deeper look than the mere Christianese expression of "you unfortunate soul!"
I'll tell you this much, I am a very fortunate soul! God heaped love and help on me even when I didn't want him anymore and he gave me a deeper connection and deeper understanding. Not "You unfortunate soul."
You're assumption about healing are at first grade level. Time for the rest of your schooling.
Should we then just look at you as someone to pity? Or maybe you owe yourself a deeper look than the mere Christianese expression of "you unfortunate soul!"
I'll tell you this much, I am a very fortunate soul! God heaped love and help on me even when I didn't want him anymore and he gave me a deeper connection and deeper understanding. Not "You unfortunate soul."
You're assumption about healing are at first grade level. Time for the rest of your schooling.