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Beautiful truth thank you!
This is Christ abiding in us and His righteousness with it. In John 15 He is encouraging His disciples to abide in Him, not lost men. So though there are positional truths that are permanent, this discussion with His disciples was to let them know they were secure in Him (clean) but the only way to bear fruit would be to continue to follow Him as He was about to leave them.
A large part of the gospel of John was to introduce to His disciples and the world to the Holy Spirit that would be coming as He left, and that He would comfort them and "be in them". The lesson of bearing fruit was fruit of the Spirit, though they likely didn't understand completely until Pentecost.
We are the same as the disciples. Unless we are in submission to the authority of God and His Word, can we expect to bear "much fruit"? I can testify to you that we can't because I lived many years outside His will, and not until a little over 3 years ago did I give Him complete control of my life and I search the scripture for His truth everyday now as I delight in His truth and look for it like I did trouble when I was an immature believer in Christ. I didn't see real useful change in my life until I gave it all to Him and decided to follow Him from now on submitting to His Word in every area of my life.
I am experiencing His fruit now in a much more consistent manner and I have been shown truths in His Word that I have never understood before. My outlook toward myself others has been changing to be more agreeable with His will and though I have a long way to go in every area I recognize the difference HE has made in my life since I turned it all over to Him. Plans that I have had for 15 years I have dropped because they didn't line up with His will for me. I count on Him for my every need and praise Him for supplying it. He was before but now that I have had my eyes opened I can see His work in my life.
I know this passage is not about believers and unbelievers because I have lived it, and understand the difference made in life through abiding in Him and His Word. It may not be everyone's understanding, but it's what I believe He has shown to me, and it only took me 3 years of studying His Word every day for hours to recognize it. If anyone's understanding of the passage is different than mine I understand and that's okay, but it will take a revelation by the Holy Spirit leaving me no doubt in my mind before I am able to see it in any other way.
Thanks for all the replies and comments. Love you all!
This is Christ abiding in us and His righteousness with it. In John 15 He is encouraging His disciples to abide in Him, not lost men. So though there are positional truths that are permanent, this discussion with His disciples was to let them know they were secure in Him (clean) but the only way to bear fruit would be to continue to follow Him as He was about to leave them.
A large part of the gospel of John was to introduce to His disciples and the world to the Holy Spirit that would be coming as He left, and that He would comfort them and "be in them". The lesson of bearing fruit was fruit of the Spirit, though they likely didn't understand completely until Pentecost.
We are the same as the disciples. Unless we are in submission to the authority of God and His Word, can we expect to bear "much fruit"? I can testify to you that we can't because I lived many years outside His will, and not until a little over 3 years ago did I give Him complete control of my life and I search the scripture for His truth everyday now as I delight in His truth and look for it like I did trouble when I was an immature believer in Christ. I didn't see real useful change in my life until I gave it all to Him and decided to follow Him from now on submitting to His Word in every area of my life.
I am experiencing His fruit now in a much more consistent manner and I have been shown truths in His Word that I have never understood before. My outlook toward myself others has been changing to be more agreeable with His will and though I have a long way to go in every area I recognize the difference HE has made in my life since I turned it all over to Him. Plans that I have had for 15 years I have dropped because they didn't line up with His will for me. I count on Him for my every need and praise Him for supplying it. He was before but now that I have had my eyes opened I can see His work in my life.
I know this passage is not about believers and unbelievers because I have lived it, and understand the difference made in life through abiding in Him and His Word. It may not be everyone's understanding, but it's what I believe He has shown to me, and it only took me 3 years of studying His Word every day for hours to recognize it. If anyone's understanding of the passage is different than mine I understand and that's okay, but it will take a revelation by the Holy Spirit leaving me no doubt in my mind before I am able to see it in any other way.
Thanks for all the replies and comments. Love you all!
ISIT,
brother, you must know by now that those of the BODY don't 'hate' as you have said that some
'hate' you in this forum...if there are some here who do 'hate' you, then we know that they are not
of the Body of Christ...
please, you should never give a care if you are hated by the world -
if you are truly on the path of the righteousness of God, then rejoice and love more, forgive more,
those who you feel are against you in your Love and Passion for your Saviour...
brother, you must know by now that those of the BODY don't 'hate' as you have said that some
'hate' you in this forum...if there are some here who do 'hate' you, then we know that they are not
of the Body of Christ...
please, you should never give a care if you are hated by the world -
if you are truly on the path of the righteousness of God, then rejoice and love more, forgive more,
those who you feel are against you in your Love and Passion for your Saviour...
This is what angela53510 and many others have been trying to tell you. You quote scriptures out of context and leave out what the scripture is actually referring to.
Let's look to see what the John 16:7-8 when you include the rest of the context with it and then we will actually see what is really being said in John 16:7-9.
John 16:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; ( they = the world - unbelievers )
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; ( you = believers . The Holy Spirit convicts/convinces/ which is what the Greek word means - He shows the believer Christ's righteousness because He is with the Father as our Advocate - Jesus the Righteous )
Let's look to see what the John 16:7-8 when you include the rest of the context with it and then we will actually see what is really being said in John 16:7-9.
John 16:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; ( they = the world - unbelievers )
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; ( you = believers . The Holy Spirit convicts/convinces/ which is what the Greek word means - He shows the believer Christ's righteousness because He is with the Father as our Advocate - Jesus the Righteous )
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Beautiful truth thank you!
This is Christ abiding in us and His righteousness with it. In John 15 He is encouraging His disciples to abide in Him, not lost men. So though there are positional truths that are permanent, this discussion with His disciples was to let them know they were secure in Him (clean) but the only way to bear fruit would be to continue to follow Him as He was about to leave them.
A large part of the gospel of John was to introduce to His disciples and the world to the Holy Spirit that would be coming as He left, and that He would comfort them and "be in them". The lesson of bearing fruit was fruit of the Spirit, though they likely didn't understand completely until Pentecost.
We are the same as the disciples. Unless we are in submission to the authority of God and His Word, can we expect to bear "much fruit"? I can testify to you that we can't because I lived many years outside His will, and not until a little over 3 years ago did I give Him complete control of my life and I search the scripture for His truth everyday now as I delight in His truth and look for it like I did trouble when I was an immature believer in Christ. I didn't see real useful change in my life until I gave it all to Him and decided to follow Him from now on submitting to His Word in every area of my life.
I am experiencing His fruit now in a much more consistent manner and I have been shown truths in His Word that I have never understood before. My outlook toward myself others has been changing to be more agreeable with His will and though I have a long way to go in every area I recognize the difference HE has made in my life since I turned it all over to Him. Plans that I have had for 15 years I have dropped because they didn't line up with His will for me. I count on Him for my every need and praise Him for supplying it. He was before but now that I have had my eyes opened I can see His work in my life.
I know this passage is not about believers and unbelievers because I have lived it, and understand the difference made in life through abiding in Him and His Word. It may not be everyone's understanding, but it's what I believe He has shown to me, and it only took me 3 years of studying His Word every day for hours to recognize it. If anyone's understanding of the passage is different than mine I understand and that's okay, but it will take a revelation by the Holy Spirit leaving me no doubt in my mind before I am able to see it in any other way.
Thanks for all the replies and comments. Love you all!
This is Christ abiding in us and His righteousness with it. In John 15 He is encouraging His disciples to abide in Him, not lost men. So though there are positional truths that are permanent, this discussion with His disciples was to let them know they were secure in Him (clean) but the only way to bear fruit would be to continue to follow Him as He was about to leave them.
A large part of the gospel of John was to introduce to His disciples and the world to the Holy Spirit that would be coming as He left, and that He would comfort them and "be in them". The lesson of bearing fruit was fruit of the Spirit, though they likely didn't understand completely until Pentecost.
We are the same as the disciples. Unless we are in submission to the authority of God and His Word, can we expect to bear "much fruit"? I can testify to you that we can't because I lived many years outside His will, and not until a little over 3 years ago did I give Him complete control of my life and I search the scripture for His truth everyday now as I delight in His truth and look for it like I did trouble when I was an immature believer in Christ. I didn't see real useful change in my life until I gave it all to Him and decided to follow Him from now on submitting to His Word in every area of my life.
I am experiencing His fruit now in a much more consistent manner and I have been shown truths in His Word that I have never understood before. My outlook toward myself others has been changing to be more agreeable with His will and though I have a long way to go in every area I recognize the difference HE has made in my life since I turned it all over to Him. Plans that I have had for 15 years I have dropped because they didn't line up with His will for me. I count on Him for my every need and praise Him for supplying it. He was before but now that I have had my eyes opened I can see His work in my life.
I know this passage is not about believers and unbelievers because I have lived it, and understand the difference made in life through abiding in Him and His Word. It may not be everyone's understanding, but it's what I believe He has shown to me, and it only took me 3 years of studying His Word every day for hours to recognize it. If anyone's understanding of the passage is different than mine I understand and that's okay, but it will take a revelation by the Holy Spirit leaving me no doubt in my mind before I am able to see it in any other way.
Thanks for all the replies and comments. Love you all!
I don't understand how it can be understood as meant for unbelievers, but I appreciate the other views presented
It really has to soak in that we can do nothing apart from Christ....
it is never wrong to question...if we lack wisdom, we are told to ask with faith ... in my experience, at times, the answer was not given when I thought I needed it, but much later, when things had happened that allowed for the answer to be accepted
we don't walk in darkness, but we do walk one step after the other...I am impatient by nature so that has been a trial at times
the only problem I have with quoting verse after verse, is 'how do you apply that to your life?'
I am more interested in walking out the truth and 'seeing' the effect then I am in quoting verses that may be true but which may have no substance in my own life
11 out of 12 of the disciples were already clean, but not Judas. John 13:10 - Jesus said to him, "He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you." 11 For He knew who would betray Him; therefore He said, "You are not all clean."
While growing up in the Roman Catholic church, I was taught that the fruitless branches represented Christians who refused to produce fruit and thus lost their salvation and were cast into hell (cut off/thrown into the fire). I certainly don't agree with the Roman Catholic view. After rightly dividing the word of truth, I still believe that in John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit).
While growing up in the Roman Catholic church, I was taught that the fruitless branches represented Christians who refused to produce fruit and thus lost their salvation and were cast into hell (cut off/thrown into the fire). I certainly don't agree with the Roman Catholic view. After rightly dividing the word of truth, I still believe that in John 15, we see two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, and the spiritual and vital which bears fruit).
What is this.....
What did I do or say in this thread to justify such a blatant attack on my person? And why are these types of personal attacks and verbal abuses being ignored?
Originally Posted by ember
I'm not sure what kind of juice you soak in there...but it is not the Holy Spirit
I don't accept your judgement and condemnation...you go ahead and wear that...you wear it so well
I think you are a kind of lost person who has found some very slight favor in these forums with others of your particular mind set
you are truly just a very silly man who sounds angry most of the time and unhappy all of the time
I forgive you and bless you in Jesus name...I am forgiven and not under judgement
you are mistaken in your views and that is all most of us need to see and understand
I don't accept your judgement and condemnation...you go ahead and wear that...you wear it so well
I think you are a kind of lost person who has found some very slight favor in these forums with others of your particular mind set
you are truly just a very silly man who sounds angry most of the time and unhappy all of the time
I forgive you and bless you in Jesus name...I am forgiven and not under judgement
you are mistaken in your views and that is all most of us need to see and understand
Yet Judas, on the surface, "appeared" to be abiding in the vine and appeared to truly be Christ's disciple, but was an imposter who would betray Jesus. Even to the other disciples, Judas looked like the real deal, but was a self-attached branch who was an unbelieving, unclean devil (John 6:64-71; 13:10,11). In John 8:31, Jesus said - "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine. Judas did not continue in His word. Judas was not truly His disciple.
Amen! At least we agree on that.
Amen! At least we agree on that.
I have been thinking about this "fruit" that is from abiding in Christ. How that fruit should look like could vary depending on people's thoughts, religious upbringing..etc.
An orange tree is still an orange tree even though it doesn't produce the fruit we want to see in the timeframe we think it should. What happens if this orange tree dies before it has had a chance to be fed properly to grow up to be able to produce the fruit of a ripe orange?
To some works-based people - you would have to display 50 oranges in order to prove you are a real orange tree ( saved ) - to others you need 100 oranges in order to be a proved orange tree. ( saved ) So, this fruit inspection thing is not viable ..that's for God to look at people to determine if they are in Christ or not.
A person could have love and kindness as a fruit in their life but be addicted to some pills or alcohol which they are continuing to struggle with in their life. Or they may have an anger problem. The people that don't have a struggle with alcohol ( or any other problem of the flesh ) will condemn the ones that do and declare they don't have the fruit and thus are not saved. This is Pharisee-ism at it's finest.
Does the orange tree stop being an orange tree even though it dies without having fruit that we think "proves" it was an orange tree to begin with?
What if Christians were like that? What if we fed them messages about the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness in Christ so that they could grow? Then they would bear an abundance of His fruit.
An orange tree is still an orange tree even though it doesn't produce the fruit we want to see in the timeframe we think it should. What happens if this orange tree dies before it has had a chance to be fed properly to grow up to be able to produce the fruit of a ripe orange?
To some works-based people - you would have to display 50 oranges in order to prove you are a real orange tree ( saved ) - to others you need 100 oranges in order to be a proved orange tree. ( saved ) So, this fruit inspection thing is not viable ..that's for God to look at people to determine if they are in Christ or not.
A person could have love and kindness as a fruit in their life but be addicted to some pills or alcohol which they are continuing to struggle with in their life. Or they may have an anger problem. The people that don't have a struggle with alcohol ( or any other problem of the flesh ) will condemn the ones that do and declare they don't have the fruit and thus are not saved. This is Pharisee-ism at it's finest.
Does the orange tree stop being an orange tree even though it dies without having fruit that we think "proves" it was an orange tree to begin with?
What if Christians were like that? What if we fed them messages about the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness in Christ so that they could grow? Then they would bear an abundance of His fruit.
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Yet Judas, on the surface, "appeared" to be abiding in the vine and appeared to truly be Christ's disciple, but was an imposter who would betray Jesus. Even to the other disciples, Judas looked like the real deal, but was a self-attached branch who was an unbelieving, unclean devil (John 6:64-71; 13:10,11). In John 8:31, Jesus said - "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine. Judas did not continue in His word. Judas was not truly His disciple.
Amen! At least we agree on that.
Amen! At least we agree on that.
Obviously we could go back and forth this way all day. I have posted my understanding of the passage and why. Others have posted their understanding and why. I guess some that aren't sure can read the passage and asking God for discernment, will come to their understanding. But I think it has now been discussed just about every way it could be, so I see no reason to continue saying the same things over and over.
Thanks for all the input everyone.
I think this post is able to answer the question: What does it mean to "abide" in Christ. Search the passages and see if they be so.
It is He's grace that Leads us to repentance (Romans 2:4) which is regretting our sins and becoming obedient to the law statutes and commandments(1 John 3:4). Jesus is our salvation and He is saving those who believe in him from their sins (Matt 1:21), which is transgression of the law (1 john 3:4). When we receive Jesus Christ as our personal Saviour we do it solely upon belief by the answer towards God out of a good conscience (1 Peter 3:21). Does this mean we are no longer supposed to live a life in accordance with the righteous laws and judgments of God ? God forbid, but rather that we establish the law and walk in obedience to it (Romans 3:31). Now if we choose to be willfully ignorant of our Saviour and continue to live in transgression of He's will and divine instructions then we will loose our reward and we show ourself to be trampling the grace of God under our feet (Hebrews 10:26-29).
Consider those who followed Christ and did not choose to keep He's laws: (Matt 7:21-23).
Also consider the parable of the ten virgins.
Matthew 25:
The Parable of the Ten Virgins 1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2And five of them were wise, and fivewere foolish. 3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Psalms 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.
Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Proverbs 21:20 There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise;
but a foolish man spendeth it up.
Proverbs 29:3 Whoso loveth wisdom rejoiceth his father:
buthe that keepeth company with harlots spendeth his substance.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Clearly those teaching we are only to rely upon Christs obedience are wrong and they are teaching a form of "hyper grace" doctrine which teaches people they don't have to strive for perfection by learning the commandments of the Torah by being obedient to the Words of Jesus Christ (Matt 5:48, Matt 19:21, Luke 6:40, Luke 8:14, John 17:23, Rom 12:2, 1 Corin 1:10, 1 Corin 2:6, 2 Corin 7:1, 2 Corin 13:9, 2 Corin 13:11, Eph 4:12-13, Phil 3:15, Col 1:28, Col 3:14, Col 4:12, 1 Thess 3:10, 2 Tim 3:17, Heb 6:1, Heb 10:14, Heb 12:23, Heb 13:21, James 1:4, James 1:25, James 2:22, James 3:2, 1 Peter 5:10, 1 John 2:5, 1 John 4:12, 1 John 4:17-18, Rev 2:3).
Search the passages and see if they be so.
It is He's grace that Leads us to repentance (Romans 2:4) which is regretting our sins and becoming obedient to the law statutes and commandments(1 John 3:4). Jesus is our salvation and He is saving those who believe in him from their sins (Matt 1:21), which is transgression of the law (1 john 3:4). When we receive Jesus Christ as our personal Saviour we do it solely upon belief by the answer towards God out of a good conscience (1 Peter 3:21). Does this mean we are no longer supposed to live a life in accordance with the righteous laws and judgments of God ? God forbid, but rather that we establish the law and walk in obedience to it (Romans 3:31). Now if we choose to be willfully ignorant of our Saviour and continue to live in transgression of He's will and divine instructions then we will loose our reward and we show ourself to be trampling the grace of God under our feet (Hebrews 10:26-29).
Consider those who followed Christ and did not choose to keep He's laws: (Matt 7:21-23).
Also consider the parable of the ten virgins.
Matthew 25:
The Parable of the Ten Virgins 1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2And five of them were wise, and fivewere foolish. 3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Psalms 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.
Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Proverbs 21:20 There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise;
but a foolish man spendeth it up.
Proverbs 29:3 Whoso loveth wisdom rejoiceth his father:
buthe that keepeth company with harlots spendeth his substance.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Clearly those teaching we are only to rely upon Christs obedience are wrong and they are teaching a form of "hyper grace" doctrine which teaches people they don't have to strive for perfection by learning the commandments of the Torah by being obedient to the Words of Jesus Christ (Matt 5:48, Matt 19:21, Luke 6:40, Luke 8:14, John 17:23, Rom 12:2, 1 Corin 1:10, 1 Corin 2:6, 2 Corin 7:1, 2 Corin 13:9, 2 Corin 13:11, Eph 4:12-13, Phil 3:15, Col 1:28, Col 3:14, Col 4:12, 1 Thess 3:10, 2 Tim 3:17, Heb 6:1, Heb 10:14, Heb 12:23, Heb 13:21, James 1:4, James 1:25, James 2:22, James 3:2, 1 Peter 5:10, 1 John 2:5, 1 John 4:12, 1 John 4:17-18, Rev 2:3).
Search the passages and see if they be so.
How do we "abide" in Christ? Paul says on thing we are to do is have our thoughts that are strongholds to be torn down. Notice in verse 4 that it is "through God" that we have stronghold torn down. Then imaginations and every other thing that lifts itself above the knowledge of God is brought into captivity to the "obedience of Christ".
This is what Christ has already accomplished for us in His finished work. We live in Him now and rely on His life in us only. As we walk in Him we will follow what the Holy Spirit has for us to do = we are saved "for" good works which He has already prepared for us to do as He lives His life in and through us.
It is Christ's obedience that brings us life and freedom from all things including anything that is against they very nature of God. Remember what Jesus has done for us on the Cross and resurrection. This is one way to "abide in Christ"
2 Corinthians 10:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Here is Christ's obedience and what He did for all of us.
Romans 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
When we see that Christ's obedience has made us righteous - then we will awake to righteousness that is in us in our inner man created in Christ - in righteousness and holiness. We will awake to who we really are in Christ and sin not but instead bear much fruit. ( sin is defined as anything that we can't do in faith = it is a sin )
This is what Christ has already accomplished for us in His finished work. We live in Him now and rely on His life in us only. As we walk in Him we will follow what the Holy Spirit has for us to do = we are saved "for" good works which He has already prepared for us to do as He lives His life in and through us.
It is Christ's obedience that brings us life and freedom from all things including anything that is against they very nature of God. Remember what Jesus has done for us on the Cross and resurrection. This is one way to "abide in Christ"
2 Corinthians 10:3-5 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Here is Christ's obedience and what He did for all of us.
Romans 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
When we see that Christ's obedience has made us righteous - then we will awake to righteousness that is in us in our inner man created in Christ - in righteousness and holiness. We will awake to who we really are in Christ and sin not but instead bear much fruit. ( sin is defined as anything that we can't do in faith = it is a sin )