Whats the deal with Catholics?

[Utah]

The baby dies in in infancy, Therefore it has been involved in sin. otherwise it would not die.

Utterly pathetic!

 

[Nikki84]

Baptism is just a sign that we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Baptizing a baby is a waste of time.

Now there is nothing wrong if a parent wants their baby Baptized. But to believe and teach Baptism washes away sin is a MYTH taught by the Catholics.

The Catholics are very heavy into Myths. They rather have their ears tickled wit myths then the Truth from God. This is what all the Catholics are about, following man made Myths instead of the Truth.

2 Timothy 4:1-4
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: [SUP]2 [/SUP]preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

We are to reprove, rebuke, exhort what the false Catholics teach. Just because Nikki84 wants to believe Baptism cleanses us of our sin does not prove Baptism cleanses us of our sins.

1 John 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Its the Blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all sins. AND the Scriptures says ALL sin. The problem is the Catholics define all as some, only a few. The Catholics redefine words to try to deceive the very Elect of God for their evil purposes.

So why Nikki84 are you teaching Baptism cleanses us of sin? I believe the reason Nikki84 teaches this is because he has never accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior.

Very few Catholics have ever accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior because its not demanded in the Catholic Church for them to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

Nikki84 will never accept the Truth in the Scriptures. All he wants to do is follow what the Catholic Church says because he totally believes Salvation is only from the Catholic Church.

He will never accept the Truth because his eyes have been blinded.

We can argue all we want with the Catholics, but their main goal in life is deceiving people with lies from the Catholic Church. There is no Truth in the Catholic Church today. This is why God removed all His Children from the Catholic Church when He brought out John Calvin and others from the Corrupted Catholic Church centuries ago.

Today we have no need for the Catholic Church because we have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and His Scriptures. Also we have no need for the minions of the Catholic Church like Nikki84.

After you two have posted your lies and opinions it is evident you do not want a dialogue. Please refrain from posting to me again. Its shameful what you do

 

[Vdp]

BUT the Scriptures does say its the Blood of Jesus that cleanses us of ALL sin in 1 John 1:7.

So how can The Holy Spirit then say its Baptism that cleanses us of our sins?

The Baptism spoken of in the Scriptures you quoted Nikki84 refers to a Spiritual Baptism OF the Holy Spirit. Its when we RECEIVE the Holy Spirit that we are Baptized Spiritually and when we are cleansed of our sins.

1 Peter 3:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

This verse is speaking of the Spiritual Baptism of the Holy Spirit. NOT the water Baptism of men.

Will you ever accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior Nikki84?

I can clearly see you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Therefore if you do not have the Holy Spirit proves you have never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

You can try to deceive others but you cannot deceive me.

No one who walks with Jesus will ever twist the Scriptures to their destruction. Why do you refuse to accept Jesus? What is it that keeps you in bondage to the Catholic Church? Do you want to be with Jesus for all Eternity? So tell us Nikki84, what is keeping you from accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

 

[Nikki84]

Baptism is just a sign that we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Baptizing a baby is a waste of time.

Now there is nothing wrong if a parent wants their baby Baptized. But to believe and teach Baptism washes away sin is a MYTH taught by the Catholics.

The Catholics are very heavy into Myths. They rather have their ears tickled wit myths then the Truth from God. This is what all the Catholics are about, following man made Myths instead of the Truth.

2 Timothy 4:1-4
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: [SUP]2 [/SUP]preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

We are to reprove, rebuke, exhort what the false Catholics teach. Just because Nikki84 wants to believe Baptism cleanses us of our sin does not prove Baptism cleanses us of our sins.

1 John 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Its the Blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all sins. AND the Scriptures says ALL sin. The problem is the Catholics define all as some, only a few. The Catholics redefine words to try to deceive the very Elect of God for their evil purposes.

So why Nikki84 are you teaching Baptism cleanses us of sin? I believe the reason Nikki84 teaches this is because he has never accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior.

Very few Catholics have ever accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior because its not demanded in the Catholic Church for them to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

BUT the Scriptures does say its the Blood of Jesus that cleanses us of ALL sin in 1 John 1:7.

So how can The Holy Spirit then say its Baptism that cleanses us of our sins?

The Baptism spoken of in the Scriptures you quoted Nikki84 refers to a Spiritual Baptism OF the Holy Spirit. Its when we RECEIVE the Holy Spirit that we are Baptized Spiritually and when we are cleansed of our sins.

1 Peter 3:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

This verse is speaking of the Spiritual Baptism of the Holy Spirit. NOT the water Baptism of men.

Will you ever accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior Nikki84?

I can clearly see you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Therefore if you do not have the Holy Spirit proves you have never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

You can try to deceive others but you cannot deceive me.

No one who walks with Jesus will ever twist the Scriptures to their destruction. Why do you refuse to accept Jesus? What is it that keeps you in bondage to the Catholic Church? Do you want to be with Jesus for all Eternity? So tell us Nikki84, what is keeping you from accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

Yes, i have accepted Jesus. Can you stop asking that now? I know you stay constantly in the myths of the church and I feel sorry for you. Why don't you try caring for people instead of making stuff up about them?

 

[valiant]

Acts 2:38 shows baptism for cleansing of sin. Titus 3:5 we are washed in the bath of rebirth. 1Peter 3:21 Baptism now saves you.

I'm sorry it doesn't say what you want it to. Baptism cleanses sin and that is biblical. What you are teaching is not biblical

firstly there is no infant baptism in the new testament.


second Titus 3.5 refers to the washing of regeneration which has in mind rain causing the earth to regenerate. It refers to the New Birth.

third Peter says, 'baptism now saves you, NOT AS A REMOVAL OF DIRT BUT BY THE ANSWER OF A GOOD CONSCIENCE TOWARDS GOD THROUGH THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST,

Sorry it doesn't say what you want it to say, or what your church teaches. I repeat NOWHERE does it say infants are washed through baptism You are so so wrong,, and mixed up.

Scripture reference to baptism also refer to ADULT BAPTISM where the person has a choice.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

The baby dies in infancy, Therefore it has been involved in sin. otherwise it would not die.

Utterly pathetic!

But Scriptural none-the-less

 

[valiant]

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A baby dies because it is flesh, after Adam.

But the soul of the child does not die to God.

To sin someone has to know the difference between good and evil.

Infants and toddlers don't know the difference, they have to be taught.
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Ezek 18:20, The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Everyone is responsible for their own sins.

Baby's do not inherit sin on their souls from their parents.
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Man's philosophy.

Scripture? It is sadly lacking, 0/10

they are sinners in Adam. (Rom 5.12 etc)

 

[Vdp]

Actually its shameful what the Catholics do in the Name of God. Its a shame on you Catholics to teach the lies of the Catholic Church above the Truths from God in the Scriptures. This is what is really shameful!

We all know Catholics hate the Truth from God.

Just look at Romans 3:23 where God says everybody is a sinner, even Mary. Then look at the Catholics where they say Mary was sinless.

Does this not prove the Catholics are wolves in sheep clothing? Trying their best to destroy all that is good?

Flee the teachings of the Catholics, read the Scriptures, reject everything the Catholics teach and follow God for the Truth.

 

[valiant]

Yes, i have accepted Jesus. Can you stop asking that now? I know you stay constantly in the myths of the church and I feel sorry for you. Why don't you try caring for people instead of making stuff up about them?

so has the devil. But accepted Him as what?

 

[Vdp]

Then why Nikki84 do you hate the Truths from God so much if you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Why do you still teach what Satan preaches?

 

[abcdef]

Man's philosophy.

Scripture? It is sadly lacking, 0/10

they are sinners in Adam. (Rom 5.12 etc)

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I gave you the scripture, Ezek 18:20.

Read the whole chapter, Ezek 18.

It PLAINLY states that the sins of the father are not passed to the son,

But you say that they are.
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If you pay the priest more money,

He will pray the soul through purgatory faster,

After all, he can forgive the sin of men against God,

And Jesus will obey him.

 

[Nikki84]

firstly there is no infant baptism in the new testament.


second Titus 3.5 refers to the washing of regeneration which has in mind rain causing the earth to regenerate. It refers to the New Birth.

third Peter says, 'baptism now saves you, NOT AS A REMOVAL OF DIRT BUT BY THE ANSWER OF A GOOD CONSCIENCE TOWARDS GOD THROUGH THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST,

Sorry it doesn't say what you want it to say, or what your church teaches. I repeat NOWHERE does it say infants are washed through baptism You are so so wrong,, and mixed up.

Scripture reference to baptism also refer to ADULT BAPTISM where the person has a choice.

Where does scripture forbid infant baptism?

 

[Nikki84]

Then why Nikki84 do you hate the Truths from God so much if you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Why do you still teach what Satan preaches?

I have never taught Satan. That is your misguided mind going against a child of God and slandering them

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

Man's philosophy.

Scripture? It is sadly lacking, 0/10

they are sinners in Adam. (Rom 5.12 etc)

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I gave you the scripture, Ezek 18:20.

Read the whole chapter, Ezek 18.

It PLAINLY states that the sins of the father are not passed to the son,

It is quite plain that Ezek 18 is referring to individual sins committed by father and son. It has no reference to the contamination of the human race by Adam,

If you pay the priest more money,

He will pray the soul through purgatory faster,

as there aren't any souls in purgatory its a waste of money,

After all, he can forgive the sin of men against God,

And Jesus will obey him.

LOL no priest can forgive sins, God alone can do that, you are mixed up.

 

[valiant]

Where does scripture forbid infant baptism?

by not referring to it.

but of course your church teaches it,

 

[Nikki84]

by not referring to it.

but of course your church teaches it,

Wow, with that type of logic, why are you using a computer? The bible is silent on computers so you better not use one! Just silly!

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

by not referring to it.

but of course your church teaches it,

Wow, with that type of logic, why are you using a computer? The bible is silent on computers so you better not use one! Just silly!

your comparison is so silly that it is ludicrous, infant baptism is central to your faith, Computers don't even come into mine.

you reveal yourself as small minded and totally ridiculous,

NOTHING is central to faith unless Scripture TEACHES it.

 

[Nikki84]

your comparison is so silly that it is ludicrous, infant baptism is central to your faith, Computers don't even come into mine.

you reveal yourself as small minded and totally ridiculous,

NOTHING is central to faith unless Scripture TEACHES it.

Insults, ah yes, the last bastion of the person with no argument

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

your comparison is so silly that it is ludicrous, infant baptism is central to your faith, Computers don't even come into mine.

you reveal yourself as small minded and totally ridiculous,

NOTHING is central to faith unless Scripture TEACHES it.

Insults, ah yes, the last bastion of the person with no argument

but they were not insults, they were fact based on your answers. your answer was small minded (others will judge)

so ANSWER my arguments

 

[Nikki84]

I am no longer posting on this thread. Its getting ugly