Metanoia/Repentance

[UnderGrace]

Amen..I love repenting as I see new truths about the beauty and nature of our Lord and Father.

As, I said..I make no bones about it. I believe in "hyper-repenting". And if people want to malign me for that - then so be it! I'm joyful in my Lord.

Repentance is a beautiful gift from our Father. Some repentance is sorrowful but only for a moment but most of it is joyful and exciting as I "repent" about the new wonderful, glorious realities of the beauty of the Lord when they are revealed to me by the Holy Spirit.

Thank you Father! We trust You and thank you for Your Son - our Lord Jesus Christ. I just typed myself happy!...lol

So true...

Dare I be so bold as to say.... the more I Hyper-Repent and live in His Hyper-Grace the less I have to Confess....

 

[Chester]

So we wind up with two views of repentance: and both sides feel the other's view is at best very insufficient and at worst heretical and leading others into eternal hell!

I am not going to further argue or give my two cents on the meaning of repentance.

I will ask each person a personal question: How are you living personally/daily with God? Are you living in victory and thus bringing honor and glory to the kingdom of God? Or, are you hiding secret sins that no one on this forum (and maybe those around you) knows about?

So, how is your view of repentance actually working out in your daily walk?

 

[UnderGrace]

So we wind up with two views of repentance: and both sides feel the other's view is at best very insufficient and at worst heretical and leading others into eternal hell!

I am not going to further argue or give my two cents on the meaning of repentance.

I will ask each person a personal question: How are you living personally/daily with God? Are you living in victory and thus bringing honor and glory to the kingdom of God? Or, are you hiding secret sins that no one on this forum (and maybe those around you) knows about?

So, how is your view of repentance actually working out in your daily walk?

I really think you should state first how repentance is working for you, you should at least share what you want to know from other people.

 

[Chester]

I really think you should state first how repentance is working for you, you should at least share what you want to know from other people.

Good point -- I was not really, though, expecting (or wanting) people to respond. I guess I didn't make that clear.

I guess I am too much of a "preacher" -- It was my final point for everyone to ponder!

 

[ukok102nak]

:smoke: weve heard about the vision of one of our brethren
who belong to the group of :8) our brethren
while the vision isnt clearly seen for now from what were those groups fighting with meaning if its physical or spiritual or both

:happy: we became part of a group unknown unto anyone and
we were been tested physically and spiritually
that its like fighting both spiritual abd physical at the same time
just like fighting a human corrupted by devils

:blush: all of us are brethrens brothers sisters
and when we said this things unto anyone especially unto this forum we really mean it

... . :smoke: . ... we only want to be part of your salvation
for that is one of the two great commandments
and we never disregard anyone who wants to be in that salvations
as it is written
:read:
Juan: 3. 10. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[Cee]

My daily walk with Jesus is amazing bro! I am so filled with His joy, peace, and love! I still have struggles sometimes with do people want me around and some vulnerability issues, but He's working me through it.

I love Jesus and He loves me.
And the more I realize He loves me, the more I love Him. And I'm filled with Him. (Eph 3:19)

I don't usually talk about my life, because I'd rather show it.

But just to give you an idea, I pray for people often, I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, I don't lie (even something that could be a half truth I try to clear up quickly), I give money to people as I feel lead, I talk to people so often about Jesus, I also love to help people discover truths in Scripture, I've seen soo many miracles, I share with strangers how God feels about them (and see them break down and cry), I've seen numerous people saved by sharing my testimonies, I pray daily, I read Scripture often, I worship almost daily, I am thankful often, I've seen people delivered of panic, anxiety, fear, and all kinds of crazy stuff. I've seen God set people free of suicide, sins, etc. One time I told my friend as I felt lead by God that his relationship with his girlfriend, wasn't right, and he said wow God was just talking to me about that, and they slept in separate rooms and got married like a week or 2 later, it was crazy.

I worked in a homeless discipleship program and watched people's lives become transformed as they understand more about God, they reconciled with families, it was incredible. One time I ran out of food, and my friend came over with groceries because "God told Him to". I can give you so many radical stories. I've had so many people say, wow I didn't know God was so real. When they truly meet Him.

I'm telling you when people really get a hold of how incredible He is, we won't be able to stop them from coming to the church haha...

Think about it: What is sin? Death, destruction, anger, malice, slander, lying, stealing, murder, ugh. These are all dark nasty things! What is religion? Whatever takes place of relationship with Him. It's all ugly stuff.

But He is beautiful. Glorious. Majestic. Vibrant. He is Light, Love, Truth, Wisdom!

And His Kingdom is peace, joy, and righteousness.

And I believe all these things are possible for ANYONE. And I have dedicated my life that people will walk in an incredible relationship with their Father! Because He is amazing!!!

I used to drink, do drugs, smoke, I was a womanizer, I was so negative, critical, I slept in pews as a child, church was boring to me, the Bible made no sense to me, life was just meaningless.

And then He stepped in. And I believe He will step into peoples' lives everywhere I go!!!

Love you Chester and please don't take my comment the wrong way, I usually won't share these things with people who don't know me, but I just want to answer your question as honestly as I can, so you would see my heart behind my words.

None of this about me, but it is about Him. He got my heart and He hasn't let go.

P.S. I do not believe anyone's view of repentance will send them to hell. But I do believe turning to Jesus will set them free and free to love with radical abandon. And they will see the epistles the Spirit of God has written on our hearts.

Please let's talk beyond avoiding sin, and get into chasing love. Turning away from sin yes, but keep turning until you see Love face to face. And He sets you ablaze.

So we wind up with two views of repentance: and both sides feel the other's view is at best very insufficient and at worst heretical and leading others into eternal hell!

I am not going to further argue or give my two cents on the meaning of repentance.

I will ask each person a personal question: How are you living personally/daily with God? Are you living in victory and thus bringing honor and glory to the kingdom of God? Or, are you hiding secret sins that no one on this forum (and maybe those around you) knows about?

So, how is your view of repentance actually working out in your daily walk?

 

[Cee]

Please also don't misunderstand me, I am not perfect, I press forward daily to lay a hold of what He laid a hold of for me like Paul, I have so much more growth to do, And I am growing daily, every single day I learn something else, something I can give up to Him or I can receive from Him, every day I discover what it looks like to be His child. But I just want to push us into a place of being known what we are for instead of what we are against!!

You asked about what "hidden sins" do people have, the only one I can think of right now is some tax issues, which today I hired some counsel to begin working out, I had a business go down on me and I lost a lot of money, but God used it to take me into a deeper relationship with Him. So I am so thankful. But let's get beyond hidden sin, let's get into sharing the love of God!!!

I'm not married because my past really put me into a place of shame, and I didn't think I was safe for girls I liked, so I actually shut myself off from them for awhile, but God has been opening my heart to discovering I'm not a horrible person and my past doesn't define me. So I think those are the things I'm really growing in right now.

I don't have much family, I've lost my mom, my step dad, my grandma, my grandpa, I don't have brothers and sisters, I did have a step dad, but he passed a few yrs ago as well, I've lost businesses, I've lost my car to foreclosure in the past, I've been so spiritually attacked I spent a few days in a mental home many years ago, I've gone through a lot of stuff. But God is such a redeemer. And now I believe what the enemy meant for my harm, God will use for His good, and I will help people have the things I didn't. So they may be everything God has called them to be. That is my sincere heart. That we would walk in His fullness and bring His love to Earth in a real tangible way. And I think repentance is a huge key to it.

 

[Grace777x70]

So we wind up with two views of repentance: and both sides feel the other's view is at best very insufficient and at worst heretical and leading others into eternal hell!

I am not going to further argue or give my two cents on the meaning of repentance.

I will ask each person a personal question: How are you living personally/daily with God? Are you living in victory and thus bringing honor and glory to the kingdom of God? Or, are you hiding secret sins that no one on this forum (and maybe those around you) knows about?

So, how is your view of repentance actually working out in your daily walk?

I will give you my testimony of what the Lord has done when He revealed to me my complete dependence on the gospel of the grace of Christ.

He has changed my mind ( As, only God can give true repentance ) on how I view a lot of things concerning Him and my life in Christ and of course that means all kinds of different sin - for "whatsoever is not of faith is in fact sin ". I have posted this a few times in CC but you are new so it was probably before you joined.

If people feel the need to castigate what the Lord has done in my life - then so be it. I am not denying Christ in me and what He has done. I am not ashamed of the gospel - for in it is the power of God for real salvation.

I have a great passion for Christ!..here is what knowing Him because of the revelation of the gospel of the grace of Christ has done for me.

I was praying one morning and thinking about how the grace of Christ has affected me. I had the scripture come up in my spirit where the Pharisees were arguing about whether a man was born blind or not after Jesus healed him. Of course the Pharisees were trying to discredit the message of Jesus. The man said.." All I know is that I was born blind but now I see."

This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:

I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace, repentance from dead works and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church. (they were initially to me as well )

This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!

This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.

To live a holier life in Him...which is not only living separate from the "biggie sins" but everything that He reveals about anything that is contrary to life and His nature that is in me....this has led me to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.

If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....give me more grace please my Lord and God!


I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever before or ever dreamed was possible and I am just starting.

I am free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out in me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self-performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )

I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!

It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..

It will never be.."Worthy is the Lamb......and me..because I did my own D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness to help Jesus out"

It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that way for all eternity.

 

[BenFTW]

-snip-
I was taken in by this hyper grace heresy, because I did not understand it. And because I am not Arminian. But, when I realized it is not about replacing legalism with grace, but rather replacing true and godly repentance with "live the way you want, just keep a few mystical incantations going about God, and never listen to what the Holy Spirit says.
-snip-

In other words, license to sin. That is the accusation and summary of your perceived interpretation of what is being said by the hyper-grace proponents. I think the issue is that you don't understand how their solution to sin actually works, so you're fighting it because you don't understand it.

To you they are excusing their sin, instead of addressing it and having victory over it. Yet, there are testimonies of Christians who are victorious over sin through an understanding of God's grace, and their identity in Christ. Their repentance may not look like your repentance but its getting results in the lives of many believers. Setting them free from sins that held them. You cannot argue with the results.

It was a tad presumptuous to say they are being disobedient to the Holy Spirit, and not listening to Him. You don't know that, it is personal between them and the Lord. He lets us know when we are grieving Him.

How you define "true and godly repentance" and how they define repentance may differ, but again, I think you're fighting something you don't, at the moment, understand. Their solution albeit different from traditional concepts of repentance is getting results in the lives of people getting a hold of this revelation of God's grace and who they are in Christ, being new creations dead to sin and alive unto God.

No one is presenting a doctrine that says we have a license to sin. No one is saying to live the way you want. As a matter of fact they agree with the apostle Paul in asking, "How can we who are dead to sin, live in it?" The accusation, the allegation, or even the defamatory summation of hyper-grace theology is preaching licentiousness is unfounded and incorrect.

 

[PeterJens]

Repentance

It struck me the real answer to this question is about empathy and care.

A psychopath has a problem. They have no empathy or care. Everything is devalued
to their objectives of the moment. Getting up, having food, going for a jog.

The problem only really shows up when someone crosses them. They get annoyed and
they would just as easily kill them or express how they feel. It makes no difference to them.
If you have ever seen interviews of psychopaths, they will just talk about how they tortured
and butchered a person, as if it was like going to the shops.

Now this is how some people are talking about repentance. Emotionally what they are saying
is it does not matter. You could feel bad about sin today and tomorrow ok, it is just who you
are.

Now it is obvious some are happy with this.
But let us put this into context. Last night in Nice 60+ people where murdered by a terrorist
in a truck. All that life thrown away. Now you can choose to just say it is ok, that behaviour
does not matter, you could just agree or disagree with it, or it is simply sin, destined for the
lack of fire.

God judgement has always been this simple and plain.
Yet people are saying, no this is not plain, it is all forgiven, you just agree or not as you feel
like.

Now whose voice do you hear speaking, whose chaos and lies are being spread?

Jesus and the cross stand for the price of sin, the alienation and death that results, and how
hard it is for people to repent and walk in righteousness.

Now if as professing christians you cannot see these emotional spiritual realities you are
not saved, you do not understand God, and have no authority.


For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
John 3:16-21

Now my warning is simple. Those who teach this psychopath theology, are deceitful
people who will appear as angels of light yet take away your birth right and make you
blind to the voice of God in your heart. They will condemn those who desire righteousness
and purity and attempt to convince the world that wealth is Gods blessing on their lives
and they should just continue complementing and building each other up in their sin.

The only people who see the truth are Gods children, so take heed and flee this heresy
from the pit.

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by Angela53510

-snip-
I was taken in by this hyper grace heresy, because I did not understand it. And because I am not Arminian. But, when I realized it is not about replacing legalism with grace, but rather replacing true and godly repentance with "live the way you want, just keep a few mystical incantations going about God, and never listen to what the Holy Spirit says.
-snip-

In other words, license to sin. That is the accusation and summary of your perceived interpretation of what is being said by the hyper-grace proponents. I think the issue is that you don't understand how their solution to sin actually works, so you're fighting it because you don't understand it.

To you they are excusing their sin, instead of addressing it and having victory over it. Yet, there are testimonies of Christians who are victorious over sin through an understanding of God's grace, and their identity in Christ. Their repentance may not look like your repentance but its getting results in the lives of many believers. Setting them free from sins that held them. You cannot argue with the results.

It was a tad presumptuous to say they are being disobedient to the Holy Spirit, and not listening to Him. You don't know that, it is personal between them and the Lord. He lets us know when we are grieving Him.

How you define "true and godly repentance" and how they define repentance may differ, but again, I think you're fighting something you don't, at the moment, understand. Their solution albeit different from traditional concepts of repentance is getting results in the lives of people getting a hold of this revelation of God's grace and who they are in Christ, being new creations dead to sin and alive unto God.

No one is presenting a doctrine that says we have a license to sin. No one is saying to live the way you want. As a matter of fact they agree with the apostle Paul in asking, "How can we who are dead to sin, live in it?" The accusation, the allegation, or even the defamatory summation of hyper-grace theology is preaching licentiousness is unfounded and incorrect.

Well said Ben.

This is an example of people assuming/accusing people of things that are not true. I have seen many others including myself say the exact opposite. We have said over 100x times that grace teaches us how to live godly in this present world. That sin is destructive and deceitful and distorts our view of God, ourselves and others. It ruins our witness for Christ.

I have said myself probably around 100x times to follow the Holy Spirit inside of you. He will teach us how to live and that we can trust Him.

No one has ever said "just go and live how you want or don't listen to the Holy Spirit". That is complete deception. We have said the complete opposite. We have said over 100x times that grace is NOT a license to sin.

It's like some one says " The sky is blue", then some one comes along and says to them " You are lawless, the sky is not green - everyone knows it's blue" This kind of mindset baffles me. To some we have said the same thing over 200x times and yet they still say the opposite of what is being said.

This foolishness about believing what God has said about us in Christ and His love and grace is "Gnosticism" is just spiritual ignorance gone to seed.

This one person that spreads this nonsense above around doesn't even believe a Christian is born again until they get a new body in the future. With a mindset like that - how are they suppose to understand spiritual realities in Christ? Jesus said " Unless you are born again you cannot "see" the kingdom of God...and that the kingdom of God is in you ".

Christ in us is a mystery to this mindset, the new creation in Christ created in righteousness and holiness is a mystery. Agreeing with God that we are His children now and that we are joined with Christ in one spirit with Him is "gnostic" to this mindset.

And now people that believe in the grace of God and repenting changing what they think to agree with God in all things that are revealed to us by Holy Spirit is now being called psychopath theology. What nonsense will they come up with next?

Sometimes we don't even listen to a sermon or 2 on the subject that is being spoken about to see what is "really being said" - and instead we go to a self-proclaimed heretic-hunters website of someone that "twists" what is really being said to say this "just go and live how you want or don't listen to the Holy Spirit". This is a complete fabrication and a lie and is in fact a "construct" of their own minds.

We need to stop this foolishness and learn to respect each other. We are allowed to agree to disagree on subject but at the very least have the respect to quote what is being said accurately and not be a "construct" of our own mind. We are allowed to have a different view on how a word is interpreted without being called deceitful.

 

[PeterJens]

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:22-23

As the old saying goes, ‘From evildoers come evil deeds,’ so my hand will not touch you.
1 Sam 24:13

Then I said, “Alas, Sovereign Lord! How completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, ‘You will have peace,’ when the sword is at our throats!”
Jer 4:10

They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. ‘Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace.
Jer 6:14

We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there is only terror.
Jer 8:15

“They will die of deadly diseases. They will not be mourned or buried but will be like dung lying on the ground. They will perish by sword and famine, and their dead bodies will become food for the birds and the wild animals.”
Jer 16:4

How long will this continue in the hearts of these lying prophets, who prophesy the delusions of their own minds?
Jer 23:16

At that time those slain by the Lord will be everywhere—from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.
Jer 25:33

I have listened attentively, but they do not say what is right. None of them repent of their wickedness, saying, “What have I done?” Each pursues their own course like a horse charging into battle.
Jer 8:6

 

[UnderGrace]

Cee stated,

my past doesn't define me.

Amen Brother - Jesus defines you now

What we have been in the world... is not who we are in Christ.

 

[PeterJens]

Do not be quick with your mouth, do not be hasty in your heart to utter anything before God. God is in heaven and you are on earth, so let your words be few.
Ecc 5:2


Much dreaming and many words are meaningless. Therefore fear God.
Ecc 5:7


Then Hezekiah repented of the pride of his heart, as did the people of Jerusalem; therefore the Lord’s wrath did not come on them during the days of Hezekiah.
2 Chron 32:26


God is mighty, but despises no one; he is mighty, and firm in his purpose.
6 He does not keep the wicked alive but gives the afflicted their rights.
7 He does not take his eyes off the righteous; he enthrones them with kings
and exalts them forever.
8 But if people are bound in chains, held fast by cords of affliction,
9 he tells them what they have done— that they have sinned arrogantly.
10 He makes them listen to correction and commands them to repent of their evil.
11 If they obey and serve him, they will spend the rest of their days in prosperity
and their years in contentment.
12 But if they do not listen, they will perish by the sword[a]
and die without knowledge.
Job 36:5-12

 

[FreeNChrist]

So we wind up with two views of repentance

Not really. Some are just focusing on one part of repentance to the exclusion of the other. In repenting there is a change in thinking, and some are focused on that. Others are focused on where that change of thinking leads to, the change in our behavior. One repentance, two areas of focus, where there should be just one. It's not either or, it's both and.

 

[Grace777x70]

Not really. Some are just focusing on one part of repentance to the exclusion of the other. In repenting there is a change in thinking, and some are focused on that. Others are focused on where that change of thinking leads to, the change in our behavior. One repentance, two areas of focus, where there should be just one. It's not either or, it's both and.

Amen...well said....after knowing that the word repentance means to change our minds to believe and trust in Jesus' completed work for us which is by grace through faith and this will manifest in a transformed mind and life - this will be the fruit of having already repented. God's grace changes us as we rely totally on Him for everything.

 

[LaurenTM]

Amen..I love repenting as I see new truths about the beauty and nature of our Lord and Father.

As, I said..I make no bones about it. I believe in "hyper-repenting". And if people want to malign me for that - then so be it! I'm joyful in my Lord.

Repentance is a beautiful gift from our Father. Some repentance is sorrowful but only for a moment but most of it is joyful and exciting as I "repent" about the new wonderful, glorious realities of the beauty of the Lord when they are revealed to me by the Holy Spirit.

Thank you Father! We trust You and thank you for Your Son - our Lord Jesus Christ. I just typed myself happy!...lol

you know, the fear of God is not lambasting others. it is reverential fear with a deep and abiding love that surfaces even when the worst moment of your life comes along. I've had a few, God knows, and He has always been there beside me as I was on my knees, wondering how much more I could hurt or how much more before I went a little nuts.

God has LITERALLY shown me miracles..in answered prayer and yet there are other prayers that I have banged my head on the wall about for years. I dig...I'm an archaeologist wanting to understand. I don't let things go; I have a need to understand that goes way past what I feel. I believe that comes from God.

In this way, He has changed my personal response of 'leave me alone' and 'there must be some way out of here' to stand still and see the salvation of the Lord. He's had a tough time with me cause I much prefer to take off somewhere and come back if and when I am good and ready...literally...take off...physically.

Why am I writing all of this for anyone to read? oh don't worry; I'm leaving out all the good juicy gossip bits LOL!.

What I AM saying, is here we have someone judging the HEARTS of others and ASSUMING things because of head knowledge. God, is ALWAYS about the heart.

And He knows mine and I know something of His...as much as I can stand because His heart is eternal and you get a glimpse of eternity in the sparkle of His eyes and the touch of His hand...yeah, I can speak like David...some of you get it and some of you don't.

Ok that's it.

Let God BE God.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Grace777 converting repentance into your oft cited "change your mind" instead of turning from sin to God, and then your example of going from a market to a farmer's market, is NOT repentance. I have studied the Greek first hand on this word, and I also told you that you simply cannot take a compound word in Greek and assume it is the sum of the two words. Sometimes it is, sometimes it is not, and sometimes it intensifies it.

In the case of metanoia μετάνοια Bauer, BAGD says the following:

"repentance, turning about, conversion" as a turning away, (from sin). Also the positive aspects of repentance as turning towards God.

"For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death." 2 Cor. 7:10

It is NOT changing your mind about which market to go to! That was your answer which trivialized the entire gospel. It shows how little you understand the meaning of this word. Or maybe you once did, but JP has convinced you, or brainwashed you otherwise. So is repentance about just changing your mind? Or does the Bible tell a different story?

"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:22

Who is Jesus calling to come to repentance? Repentance is totally about sin! Because sinners are the ones who are called! It is not some silly thing that anyone can do in a second, without reference to sin. In fact, Paul is clear that repentance involved grief. Not some "come to Jesus and be happy" nonsense. That is false conversion. It will not last. And then Arminians will say, "Hey, they walked away from God." But they were not truly saved, because they did not repent of their sins. Anyone coming to Christ needs to repent. Of sin!

"As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us." 2 Cor. 7:9

And who is this repentance towards? A change of mind is all about self. The Bible is clear that repentance has to do with GOD!

"how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." Acts 20:21-21

Paul went about telling people to repent from their sins towards God and Jesus Christ.

None of what you say is true! Repentance is a humble act of contrition, prompted by the Holy Spirit. The Bible convicts us of sin, and the Holy Spirit leads us to conversion and repentance.

You totally trivialize the meaning of this vital word of the gospel. You can post all you want about lies concerning hyper grace, but the fact is, you do not follow the basic Scriptural principles of what repentance is, and how important it is.

It is this over identification with "being Jesus," that becomes a HUGE stumbling block. You are "claiming" who you are in Christ. But I do not believe the Bible tells us to "claim" anything, ever. Give up things, is more like it. And cling to Christ, who changes us.

For me, the hyper grace movement is a stumbling block to Christian growth, both in salvation and sanctification. A big one! In fact, a heresy! You can copy and paste all the links defending this movement you want, I agree with HeRose, it is just Gnosticism coming round with a new name and a different face.

I am so grateful for God saving me, and is transforming me! But that transformation relies on confession of sins, and really rooting out wrong things, wrong attitudes and beliefs. Yes, the positive aspect is that it is God that is leading us and changing us. The negative aspect, is that if we only want the "happy" part of salvation, and don't look to our souls, we have fallen for a lie of the devil.

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made.He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” 4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:1-5

As the old KJV says "Hath God said?" Has God truly said that we can be like God? Or is that Satan? That is the question I pose today!

The hyper grace movement comes perilously close to pretensions to be God, as the Word of Faith movement did. I am grieved, as I know the Holy Spirit is, to see that while people seem to be abandoning the lies of the WoF movement, they are walking right into the arms of Joseph Prince, who seems to be the leader of this new wave of heresy.

Has God said, indeed?

Changing your mind about the course you were on IS repenting and turning to God and agreeing with what HE says. I
I understood you when you said in a post about Him showing you your arrogance. He has done this with me as well.
I was a huge hypocrite, thinking myself very humble, even while I was completely given to defending myself always, even in very small matters of slight mistreatments by others.

So I began to try harder to stop doing it. I thought I was struggling and striving against sin but I was caught up in believing I could change it. I had salvation through faith alone down pat. But I erred because I didn't realize that being made more Holy is ALSO by faith alone. All of my spiritual provision for growing more like my Lord is provided in HIM. Faith in HIM. He has promised. I now put my faith in the promise that He will finish the good work He began to do in me. I wasn't looking to Him for the victory. I was putting trust in my ability. So I kept failing eventually and going through hideous depressions. They were me grieving over my lack and weakness. It was the height of hurt self love, these depressions. He had it there for me, waiting for me to cease my striving and just accept His provision.

I don't care for all of the things G7 says. I would sometimes phrase them differently. I especially don't like the phrasing of "His finished work." But I do understand him to mean that...everything I need or could possibly need was covered and taken into account and made ready for me _ that is, when I am ready to go to Him and ask. When I was ready to agree that my poverty in spirit was profound and that my striving was for the purpose of trying to prove that there WAS some good and ability in me. It was so I wouldn't have to die. No one is ever going to agree to die unless he sees that God has told the truth that no good is in Him. No one completely junks a vehicle if they think they can repair it. But the great blessing is to discover in ones own experience that this dying that so terrified them becomes living more than they ever knew was possible. That there was nothing to fear and that He wanted all along for me to have MORE life, not less!

In all of this ten year experience, He never left me. He still came and communed with me often. He just waited until I was ready to agree with Him that there was no way but to die so I could become more like Him.

I would not say it as G777 would, that I discovered who I really was in Christ. I would phrase it more like...I discovered He had provided more for me than I yet knew. But though I would phrase it differently, I do understand that this provision really was already there for me to have. And if it was already there for me to have when I was ready to agree with God that there was no way but to junk that vehicle, it could be said that this was all provided in "His finished work" but I just didn't know it yet, wasn't ready to bear it, wasn't ready to ask and receive the fullness and overabundance of it.

 

[LaurenTM]

Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. James 4:10

simple

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Please also don't misunderstand me, I am not perfect, I press forward daily to lay a hold of what He laid a hold of for me like Paul, I have so much more growth to do, And I am growing daily, every single day I learn something else, something I can give up to Him or I can receive from Him, every day I discover what it looks like to be His child. But I just want to push us into a place of being known what we are for instead of what we are against!!

You asked about what "hidden sins" do people have, the only one I can think of right now is some tax issues, which today I hired some counsel to begin working out, I had a business go down on me and I lost a lot of money, but God used it to take me into a deeper relationship with Him. So I am so thankful. But let's get beyond hidden sin, let's get into sharing the love of God!!!

I'm not married because my past really put me into a place of shame, and I didn't think I was safe for girls I liked, so I actually shut myself off from them for awhile, but God has been opening my heart to discovering I'm not a horrible person and my past doesn't define me. So I think those are the things I'm really growing in right now.

I don't have much family, I've lost my mom, my step dad, my grandma, my grandpa, I don't have brothers and sisters, I did have a step dad, but he passed a few yrs ago as well, I've lost businesses, I've lost my car to foreclosure in the past, I've been so spiritually attacked I spent a few days in a mental home many years ago, I've gone through a lot of stuff. But God is such a redeemer. And now I believe what the enemy meant for my harm, God will use for His good, and I will help people have the things I didn't. So they may be everything God has called them to be. That is my sincere heart. That we would walk in His fullness and bring His love to Earth in a real tangible way. And I think repentance is a huge key to it.

Your last two posts wrecked me, man. Crying like a baby here. There is only one thing you have said that isn't true _ you said you don't have any brothers or sisters.