Is this bishop telling the truth about sun-day? Video less than 4 minutes.

[Bladerunner]

no comments at all on this?
wow.

Does it really matter?

 

[disciplemike]

If you read gospels, you can clearly see, that on one day Lord was crucified, second day was a rest and on the third day women saw Him alive.

This is how it happened.

So if you want to compare it with what Christ said about it, you will have to find some solution, but you cant change what really happened and is in gospels.

I suggest you to go to that link and see how it could be 3 days and 3 nights in ancient thinking.

brother, I would not answer so quickly if I hadn't already put many hours into the topic.

 

[disciplemike]

Does it really matter?

yes sir, more than we know.
in my opinion.
and from what I read in Scripture, you know, what happened to God's people when they profane His Sabbaths.

 

[trofimus]

yes sir, more than we know.
in my opinion.
and from what I read in Scripture, you know, what happened to God's people when they profane His Sabbaths.

In New Testament? Nothing.

Remember what Paul said about keeping special days.

 

[disciplemike]

In New Testament? Nothing.

Remember what Paul said about keeping special days.

absolutely. he was telling the good folks at Colossae to not let their pagan neighbors judge them because they WERE observing God's dietary laws and God's holy days!!

 

[Laish]

Ok I have a quesrion concerning the sabbath. When are we to celebrate it ? Seriously man set up the international dateline not God . So are we celebrating it late even on Saturday?
Blessings
Bill

 

[disciplemike]

Ok I have a quesrion concerning the sabbath. When are we to celebrate it ? Seriously man set up the international dateline not God . So are we celebrating it late even on Saturday?
Blessings
Bill

Friday evening to Saturday evening.
the position of the sun, where you are, would dictate.

 

[trofimus]

absolutely. he was telling the good folks at Colossae to not let their pagan neighbors judge them because they WERE observing God's dietary laws and God's holy days!!

sure... thats why he added that these days were only shadows of what came in Christ.

Makes sense.

 

[Grandpa]

absolutely. he was telling the good folks at Colossae to not let their pagan neighbors judge them because they WERE observing God's dietary laws and God's holy days!!

No. That is silly.

When have you ever seen pagans judge someone over observing religion?

The ones doing the judging are the same ones still doing the judging. Those with the heart of the pharisee.


If you want to follow God you must keep this day.
If you want to follow God you must not eat these foods.
etc...

Acts 15:24 [FONT=&quot]Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

[/FONT]Really you should read all of Acts 15...

It wasn't the pagans that Christians were having problems with. It was Judaizers who want to continue to place Christians under the law.


But Christians continue to separate themselves from the Jews who attempt to keep the law. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to not be under the law but still observe a 7th day sabbath. It would make more sense to pick the day that your Lord and Saviour actually resurrected to meet instead.

 

[disciplemike]

sure... thats why he added that these days were only shadows of what came in Christ.

Makes sense.

no sir. see how you changed the words?
he didn't say "only shadows of what came"

You should never have to change the words to make it fit your theology.

 

[Laish]

Friday evening to Saturday evening.
the position of the sun, where you are, would dictate.

Ok got that . That part is simple. We here on this side of the world have a different time zone so are we behind or ahead of those on the other side of the world . Scripture dose not say . the date line is a creation of man .Put simply is Saturday here or is it Sunday
Blessings
Bill

 

[LaurenTM]

Does it really matter?

well he can't have a conversation and try and convert people from Christianity to Hebrew Roots if no one will talk to him

he is here to try and win converts

his presentation is not Christian even though he tries to dress it up that way

 

[LaurenTM]

no sir. see how you changed the words?
he didn't say "only shadows of what came"

You should never have to change the words to make it fit your theology.

famous last words and unwittingly predictive

 

[trofimus]

no sir. see how you changed the words?
he didn't say "only shadows of what came"

You should never have to change the words to make it fit your theology.

"These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
Col 2:17

I hope you agree Christ has already come. So these things are shadows of what has already come.

 

[Stephen63]

scripture says nothing about the date when the majority of christians switched from saturday sabbath keeping to worship on sunday...or who was responsible...this is why we refer to historical documentation...

you can disagree with ignatius' views...but you are missing the point...ignatius documents that the transition from saturday to sunday was already taking place in the first century...it was -not- a roman catholic innovation...

There is not a verse anywhere in the Bible that says, "Thou shalt changeth thy Jewish Sabbath to the first day".
just ain't there. it is a crock.

This is not hard to solve. People make it hard, when they look to men's answers & not God's.
I looked this up on my WordSearch software & finally found it:
• Sunday - the first day of the week.
• Called the Lord's Day. [SUP][FONT=&quot]§[/FONT][/SUP]Revelation 1:10
• Christ arose on Sunday. [SUP][FONT=&quot]§[/FONT][/SUP]Mark 16:9; [SUP][FONT=&quot]§[/FONT][/SUP]Luke 24:13-15; [SUP][FONT=&quot]§[/FONT][/SUP]John 20:19
• Paul preached on Sunday, the first day of the week. [SUP][FONT=&quot]§[/FONT][/SUP]Acts 20:7
• The early church worshipped on Sunday. [SUP][FONT=&quot]§[/FONT][/SUP]Acts 20:7; [SUP][FONT=&quot]§[/FONT][/SUP]1 Cor. 16:1-2
POSB Master Index.

But..... I was lazy, & when I couldn't find it immediately found it on a GOOGLE search..... several sites.

(not particularily to the 2 quoters, but all arguing on here)
Not trying to sound pompous or high-minded, but my goodness, you folks find everything else on the internet, and you couldn't find this? I found it in under 2 minutes, & I don't consider myself a pro on using the internet.

No offense, but some people would rather fight than be a Berean.

 

[trofimus]

Ok got that . That part is simple. We here on this side of the world have a different time zone so are we behind or ahead of those on the other side of the world . Scripture dose not say . the date line is a creation of man .Put simply is Saturday here or is it Sunday
Blessings
Bill

This is interesting fact/question.

The difference in time zones makes some places in USA to be 12 hours behind Israel.

That means that when Israel has a Sabbath, you have Friday for 12 hours. And when Israel has already Sunday, you are in the middle of Sabbath.

I wonder how disciplemike keep the real Sabbath, then

 

[JGIG]

No. That is silly.

When have you ever seen pagans judge someone over observing religion?

The ones doing the judging are the same ones still doing the judging. Those with the heart of the pharisee.


If you want to follow God you must keep this day.
If you want to follow God you must not eat these foods.
etc...

Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Really you should read all of Acts 15...

It wasn't the pagans that Christians were having problems with. It was Judaizers who want to continue to place Christians under the law.


But Christians continue to separate themselves from the Jews who attempt to keep the law. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to not be under the law but still observe a 7th day sabbath. It would make more sense to pick the day that your Lord and Saviour actually resurrected to meet instead.

This is so key to the whole discussion. Paul tells us that the son of the bond woman persecutes the son of the free woman:

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. (from Gal. 4)
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It is the same now!

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

famous last words and unwittingly predictive

Aw, kind of sad to see him go.

Praying that the seeds of grace planted here will find some good soil in his mind and heart and will produce a harvest of true righteousness - God's righteousness - and God's Fruit in his life.

-JGIG

 

[beta]

i didn't say God changed the day...i merely said the roman catholic church was not behind the change...you will have to look for that boogeyman elsewhere...

They may not have openly instigated it....we are told that UNgodly men crept in (the church) UNAWARES leading early worshippers astray. The devil is a lot smarter than to cause open rebellion, he pretends to be kind and nice giving people what they want, letting them have their own way....and they like to have it so. That's why they never obeyed God !

 

[beta]

Well, we know Christ was on the cross still on Friday or the Jews would not have needed to ask Pilate to break his legs. The miracle of Christ's death is that throughout the ordeal he had no bones broken. He died before the soldiers got to the cross ( that's when they thrust his side with the spear to make sure he died). They were surprised that he was already dead. The two thieves were still alive. He died very quickly for a crucifixion death. If he had been crucified and died on Wednesday or Thursday there would have been no need for the Jews to be worried that he would still be on the cross for the Sabbath...

I don't want to belittle you but it is very clear that you don't know which friday/saturday you are talking about. Do you know that during Passover week there are EXTRA prep days and Sabbaths beside the weekly ones ?
Please do yourself a favour and study up on them. Christians are totally ignorant of the true facts and are quite happy to go with what seems obvious...with disastrous results.