Alexander Hamilton Chastises Pense

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LaurenTM

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The Dude could be artificial intelligence. Maybe a program caught in a loop and cannot find a logical exit...?


like that groundhog day movie with Bill Murray?
 
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yeah I dunno

that might be a chicken or the egg kind of arguement

but I am going with more than one person using the account

one is worse than the other...been getting that impression as we go along
youre probably right. Fun to speculate tho....I think I got my infraction under false pretenses.
 

maxwel

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I did source his current rant

he's simply parroting what he read here

(Patheos.com)
Trump may be a buffoon, but Pence is a cold, cruel, religious extremist with dreams of a Christian theocracy. - See more at: Mike Pence Promotes Christian Theocracy

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there are quite a few articles basically saying the same thing

the hatred exuding from these sources is palatable and he takes it and brings it here
The link above to Patheos.com is very interesting.

1. Patheos is a site to discuss ALL WORLD RELIGIONS, with equal input from such diverse groups as ATHEIST and PAGANS.

2. Patheos has 11 Discussion Categories (called "channels") only 2-3 of which might be considered "christian"... and which has entire categories for Atheists, Pagans, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims etc. etc.

3. Patheos was founded by Leo and Cathie Brunnick... 2 people who seem to have fairly ambiguous views... and were fairly confused about their own beliefs.
-> When they married, Leo was a Lutheran and Cathie was a Catholic.
From the Patheos Website:
When Leo and Cathie married in 2008, they brought together two families from different religious backgrounds and sought an online resource to help provide information and guidance on different belief systems. Unable to locate a credible and comprehensive online religious and spiritual resource, Leo and Cathie were inspired to start Patheos.
-> They apparently knew so little about their own religions they couldn't even discuss them without outside "help".
-> It also gives the "impression" they gave their 2 religions so little thought that they never considered the differences, or allowed them any relevance, until AFTER they were married.
-> This all implies that their religions, their "faiths"... were never too serious to either of them.

4. They state on their own website that Patheos is a FOR PROFIT website for COMPARATIVE RELIGIOUS STUDY.
-> It is NOT christian.
-> It has NO PARTICULAR VIEW OF ANY KIND
-> BUT IT DOES HAVE BUSINESS GOALS... it is definitely "for profit".


Conclusion:

1. It is perfectly fine for people to build websites for whatever they like.

2. It is perfectly fine for people to hold whatever views they like.

3. However, it seems INCONCEIVABLE that a CHRISTIAN would use a COMPARATIVE RELIGIONS site, which propagates the philosophies of ATHEISTS & PAGANS, as a source to formulate his beliefs.



 
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#84
When I saw the title of this thread I first thought it was clickbait since Alexander Hamilton is long dead and was killed in a duel with Aaron Burr. Then I realized it was the cast of the show Hamilton that went after Pence when the dude was just trying to watch Hamilton, the Broadway play, in New York. Contrary to that cast member while I am not a Trump supporter, he is not a racist, sexist (not necessarily he just does not like certain women), xenophobic (he is not afraid of strangers, he wants documented immigrants and not illegal ones, contrary to some people he is not anti-immigration). As for his building the wall, since when is a wall racist? China has a Great Wall, The Roman Empire had a wall by Hadrian, and also Mexico has a wall they have built or are building between them and Guatemala and yet they criticize Trump for wanting a wall built between the United States and Mexico to control immigration, just ridiculous. As for the confrontation between the Hamilton cast and Pence it was unwanted, unneeded, etc. They did not want a dialogue, conversation, etc they instead were harassing and going after Pence and Trump for their views. The key buzz word they use is diverse, diversity, etc. Christians are not against diversity after all those who will get to see Jesus Christ in heaven will be of every tribe, people, nation, culture, etc) but that is not the diversity that the neo-liberals want they want Christians to give in or else, they want us to support same-sex ''marriage'' (which goes against Genesis 2, Matthew 19:4-6, Mark 10:6-9, 1 Corinthians 7), they want to force us to bake the wedding cake for the homosexual ceremony even if it violates our conscience, they want us to give flowers to support a homosexual ceremony, they want us to perform the SSM ceremony and say it is acceptable by God, they will not take no for an answer, they call us bigots, racists, homophobes, heterosexists, intolerant, etc.

Contrary to Dude, Christians do not want a theocracy and even if we did it would not be like the one God instituted in Israel in the Old Testament necessarily but based on the law of mercy and grace. Contrary to him separation of church and state is not in the Constitution. That phrase comes from a letter between Thomas Jefferson and the Danbury Baptists, where he said that the state would not force the church to go against its beliefs and that the United States of America would not have a state-sanctioned church like the Catholic Church in Europe, which almost happened in the U.S. in states but was stopped thank goodness. In the Bible the state has a function and the church has a function. The state to administer justice, enforce the laws (including to protect the Constitution), checks and balances, etc and the church to save souls, pray for the governing authorities, pay taxes to the state as individuals when working, etc.

Mike Pence is not insane, but I guess to you, Dude, the cross is foolishness because you do not believe in it but to us who believe in Jesus, the Son of God, it is the power of God. Also, that the audience booed Pence was not right either and also was disrespect of authority since he is the Vice President of the United States of America. So Trump was right in defending Pence, it was not correct behavior from neither the cast of Hamilton (they started out fine and then the jabs came in against Trump but also hitting Pence in the face) nor the intolerant audience, who I thought would be respectful of anyone in authority even if it was not Hillary Clinton or any other candidate. God bless. :)
 
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#85
The link above to Patheos.com is very interesting.

1. Patheos is a site to discuss ALL WORLD RELIGIONS, with equal input from such diverse groups as ATHEIST and PAGANS.

2. Patheos has 11 Discussion Categories (called "channels") only 2-3 of which might be considered "christian"... and which has entire categories for Atheists, Pagans, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims etc. etc.

3. Patheos was founded by Leo and Cathie Brunnick... 2 people who seem to have fairly ambiguous views... and were fairly confused about their own beliefs.
-> When they married, Leo was a Lutheran and Cathie was a Catholic.
From the Patheos Website:
When Leo and Cathie married in 2008, they brought together two families from different religious backgrounds and sought an online resource to help provide information and guidance on different belief systems. Unable to locate a credible and comprehensive online religious and spiritual resource, Leo and Cathie were inspired to start Patheos.
-> They apparently knew so little about their own religions they couldn't even discuss them without outside "help".
-> It also gives the "impression" they gave their 2 religions so little thought that they never considered the differences, or allowed them any relevance, until AFTER they were married.
-> This all implies that their religions, their "faiths"... were never too serious to either of them.

4. They state on their own website that Patheos is a FOR PROFIT website for COMPARATIVE RELIGIOUS STUDY.
-> It is NOT christian.
-> It has NO PARTICULAR VIEW OF ANY KIND
-> BUT IT DOES HAVE BUSINESS GOALS... it is definitely "for profit".


Conclusion:

1. It is perfectly fine for people to build websites for whatever they like.

2. It is perfectly fine for people to hold whatever views they like.

3. However, it seems INCONCEIVABLE that a CHRISTIAN would use a COMPARATIVE RELIGIONS site, which propagates the philosophies of ATHEISTS & PAGANS, as a source to formulate his beliefs.



It's not inconceivable when people have obvious axes to grind. That pesky victim mentality is a tough one to overcome and requires fairly consistent maintenance.
 
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LaurenTM

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#86
youre probably right. Fun to speculate tho....I think I got my infraction under false pretenses.

hmmm...

don't know about the fraction...sorry

at any rate, it just seems so inane to drop in a make a wild card statement that Pence is insane

that's like the neighbor's dog visiting your lawn...if you know what I mean LOL!
 

Tommy379

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Again our constitution clearly says separation of church and state.
No it doesn't. You will not find that statement in the United States Constitution.
 
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LaurenTM

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The link above to Patheos.com is very interesting.

1. Patheos is a site to discuss ALL WORLD RELIGIONS, with equal input from such diverse groups as ATHEIST and PAGANS.

2. Patheos has 11 Discussion Categories (called "channels") only 2-3 of which might be considered "christian"... and which has entire categories for Atheists, Pagans, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims etc. etc.

3. Patheos was founded by Leo and Cathie Brunnick... 2 people who seem to have fairly ambiguous views... and were fairly confused about their own beliefs.
-> When they married, Leo was a Lutheran and Cathie was a Catholic.
From the Patheos Website:
When Leo and Cathie married in 2008, they brought together two families from different religious backgrounds and sought an online resource to help provide information and guidance on different belief systems. Unable to locate a credible and comprehensive online religious and spiritual resource, Leo and Cathie were inspired to start Patheos.
-> They apparently knew so little about their own religions they couldn't even discuss them without outside "help".
-> It also gives the "impression" they gave their 2 religions so little thought that they never considered the differences, or allowed them any relevance, until AFTER they were married.
-> This all implies that their religions, their "faiths"... were never too serious to either of them.

4. They state on their own website that Patheos is a FOR PROFIT website for COMPARATIVE RELIGIOUS STUDY.
-> It is NOT christian.
-> It has NO PARTICULAR VIEW OF ANY KIND
-> BUT IT DOES HAVE BUSINESS GOALS... it is definitely "for profit".


Conclusion:

1. It is perfectly fine for people to build websites for whatever they like.

2. It is perfectly fine for people to hold whatever views they like.

3. However, it seems INCONCEIVABLE that a CHRISTIAN would use a COMPARATIVE RELIGIONS site, which propagates the philosophies of ATHEISTS & PAGANS, as a source to formulate his beliefs.






well that's interesting Maxwell...you sure did your homework on that one

you know, when I did my search, that was the one that matched the comment exactly...so I went with that but there were plenty of other sites that had nothing good to say about Pence either

Seems his biggest crime is not only being a Christian, but actually illustrating it as well

However, it seems INCONCEIVABLE that a CHRISTIAN would use a COMPARATIVE RELIGIONS site, which propagates the philosophies of ATHEISTS & PAGANS, as a source to formulate his beliefs.
well again, probably most of us here may not be thinking along the lines of Christianity as just another 'religion'

guess it depends on where one's head is at

the deeper you dig, eh?

thanks!
 

Dude653

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You're either dumb, deliberately lying, or all three.
Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
 

Magenta

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And I must say that spaghetti is best eaten with a fork and a spoon :D
 

Tommy379

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#93
No it doesn't. You will not find that statement in the United States Constitution.
I should have read ahead before I posted this, y'all had it covered.
 

Dude653

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Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment or infringing the free exercise thereof. This means separation of church and state
 

Dude653

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That's why churches don't pay taxes by the way
 

hornetguy

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No but we have separation of church and state for a reason. Theocracy would be tyranny. You can't legislate religion or you end up with Muslim Sharia law
Oh... my goodness...... I agree with the Dude.....

hellfrozenover.jpg

:D
 
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Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment or infringing the free exercise thereof. This means separation of church and state
If it means what you think it means then why did they (the founders) have Christian church in the capital on sundays? You might just study history with an open mind instead of spout off atheist talking points.
 

hornetguy

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I was responding to Willie's comment who was making the accusation that I think a piece of paper is higher than God....Again, our constitution clearly says separation of church and state so if you ignore that part and you might as well throw out the entire Constitution. Theocracy is tyranny. We have to have secular laws to protect against religious persecution.,.. that's why we don't burn witches at the stake anymore or execute homosexuals
Technically, it says that the government cannot ESTABLISH a national religion... it says nothing about any separation between church and state.... I think that was Jefferson that said that, in a letter to one of his friend...
 

Dude653

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Technically, it says that the government cannot ESTABLISH a national religion... it says nothing about any separation between church and state.... I think that was Jefferson that said that, in a letter to one of his friend...
Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment or infringing the free exercise thereof. This essentially means separation of church and state. Isn't the separation of church and state principle why churches don't pay taxes?