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It all sounds good until you realize you don't see "abiding in Christ" anywhere.

And no....."jus' believin' in Jesus" won't get you saved

Fruits are required in repentance..... & they NOT required to LIVE BY FAITH?

Dear readers, don't lay down your crown that was freely given to you by your Father at the feet of a thief. The just shall LIVE BY FAITH.
 
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It all sounds good until you realize you don't see "abiding in Christ" anywhere.

And no....."jus' believin' in Jesus" won't get you saved

Fruits are required in repentance..... & they NOT required to LIVE BY FAITH?

Dear readers, don't lay down your crown that was freely given to you by your Father at the feet of a thief. The just shall LIVE BY FAITH.
Right, and you don't preach salvation by works. Nope. Not you. :rolleyes:
 
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Followers of truth or their own delusions.

When you read a phrase of Jesus you have to put it in the priority of all His
other teaching.

Obey is right up there after follow, listen, learn, which come after repent and
believe, along with be baptised.

The question is not, not obeying is ok, the question is how and what?

This is why Jesus says if you say not obeying is ok you do not know or love
Him.

You cannot, and I underline, cannot get more fundamental than that.
You do not know or love Him if obedience is not in your heart.

Jesus obeyed the Father,

"My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
Matt 26:39

"Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me."
Matt 16:24

Do you want the shock before the Lord to be today or when you
meet face to face, because today, when you read this, this is a
much better time, when the door is open, than when the door
is closed and you see Him and He does not know you.

Paul, after having done all, was in a constant desire to please His
Lord, driven, caring, passionate. Now if he was cautious about faith,
and had much reason to boast, how can those who know the dwell in
sin and their consciences condemn them, claim boldness, when scripture
calls them to repent, in mourning and humbleness.

Before my Lord I am always needy, always in worship and awe, and always
knowing He washes me whiter than snow. But in purity and holiness, knowing
His love and desire is everything, in this we walk. Each thing straightened,
each frustration and worry laid at His feet, to Him be the glory.
 
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If you believe you can lose God's free gift, did you ever receive it? And even more-so can you freely give it away? If you believe you have to earn it, won't you believe other's have to earn love too?

amen,

One must ask, If you can lose a gift, Where is your faith, in the gift giver, or in your ability to do what is required to keep the gift.
 
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Now we know free gifts in this world.
Parents and family give gifts at christmas and birthdays.

Sometimes the gifts are broken before they are given, sometimes they are never opened
sometimes the gifts are rejected or not appropriate, sometimes the receiver breaks the gift
or looses it. Some gifts come with instructions or skills need to be learnt.

Now these are all experiences we have with gifts.
So why is it so strange that the gift of life from God comes with conditions.

To say it has none when scripture is full of conditions, warnings, examples, lessons,
judgements on people who abuse the gifts they have, it is very strange that now some
are saying this is all a lie.

No matter how nice or christian you sound, if you do not agree with the Lords word,
you are wrong.

Let me put it simply. Jonah was given the task of preaching to Nineveh and he
rebelled. It almost cost him his life.

A prophet who was told the conditions of bringing a word, broke it, because of
a lie and paid with his life.

Balaams ass warned him that an angel was going to kill him, yet he thought
he was ok.

How many warnings does man need, when they exalt their understanding above
Gods word.

Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego trusted in the Lord and stuck by the Lords word
and honour and were saved. Even if God had not saved them, they would have still
die willingly.

A real test of the root in your heart is how authority plays out. And what is at stake,
do we know the Lord or is it all a self deluded sham? It is amazing how many are living
a sham for many different reasons, maybe because it feels good???
 

Cee

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Jesus says those who love me will obey. People who love God because He loved them first - obey - from the heart. Not to earn love, but because they know they are loved.

Scripture says we love Him because He loved us first.

Which means our love for Him, started by receiving His love for us.

Scripture says those who love Him will obey.

So obedience is linked to knowing His love.

Do we see this idea in Scripture? Yes.

Apart from Me, you can do nothing. This is abiding in Christ, He is our Vine, and as we abide fruit is formed. What is this fruit? Self-control and faithfulness. Two keys to heart-driven obedience.

Paul discusses this topic with the following idea:

Philippians 2:12Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Our obedience is fueled by His grace. Like, I've said before, grace empowers holiness.

C.
 
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Do a Google search, LOL. There's some sound pastoral advice....:rolleyes:
It is..... They don't get my personal opinion, they choose which sites they want to read, they get to read the scriptures the sites recommend, & make up their own mind.

You, on the other hand, aren't even an armchair theologian that makes up our minds for us, & when we don't agree, you insult us. I'd take Google any day.:)
 
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@PeterJens, the only the thing more tiresome than your cockamamie interpretations of scripture is your obession with G7 and EG

That's nice..... reeeal nice.

I take the time to read PJ's posts, to make sure he's saying what I think he's saying. And you know what, psalm6819? He takes a lot of crap & namecalling from EG, but I guess you think that's alright, 'cuz you've said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about that.:)

And G777..... How many times has he posted without driving his "grace only" theology into the ground & breaking it off? How many times has he implied that those that don't agree with him are legalists, they refuse Christ, they add to salvation, & a bunch of other things they actually didn't do? You've never said ANYTHING about that either, have you?

I'm gonna take a guess at why PJ just burns your bisquits. You cannot stand his spirit, period. It's not so much what he says as it is what's ON and IN what he's saying.

Lemme give you some examples.

Luke 21:12“But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for My name’s sake. 13“It will lead to an opportunity for your testimony. 14“So make up your minds not to prepare beforehand to defend yourselves; 15for I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute.

Acts 6:9But some men from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, including both Cyrenians and Alexandrians, and some from Cilicia and Asia, rose up and argued with Stephen. 10But they were unable to cope with the wisdom and the Spirit with which he was speaking. God's people need to WATCH as well as pray. Jesus told His disciples several times to watch. The Holy Spirit will enable His people to see what needs to be seen. Especially to see those that are His, & those that aren't.
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Salvation is not a "prize". You can't win it. You can only freely receive it as the free gift of God in Christ Jesus that it is.........or not.
Philippians 3:
12Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.15Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you; 16however, let us keep living by that same standard to which we have attained.

As usual, you prove your inability to accurately handle the word of truth.
 
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The idea that you put forward is that you are more powerful than God and have more understanding as well.

Only you can keep yourself in salvation as God doesn't have the power or the understanding.


Why would you oppose those who put their ENTIRE faith in Christ and none in themselves and their own understanding and power?
This is what I notice about those who strive against godly posts:
  1. They know without a doubt what was really said.
  2. They twist these posts to say something wicked was done.
  3. They say THEY are the ones who are right.

Just look at this one..... it's all there.:)
 
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Galatians 5:19 - Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul refers to such people as the unrighteous who will not inherit the kingdom of God and mentions a similar list of sins in vs. 10, but then goes on to say in verse 11 - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

It is the lifestyle, or pattern of this behavior being exibited in one's life. To stumble and sin intermittently is different than making these behaviors a lifestyle. The idea of "practice" is to perform repeatedly or habitually and thus describes repetition or continuous action. Paul uses the present tense which describes the practice as habitual, as one's lifestyle or bent of life. Those who practice such sins demonstrate they have not been born of God.

There is certainly a difference between "practice" sin (no repentance, just bring it on!) and commit an act of sin but continue to pursue practicing righteousness in keeping with repentance.
ALL of this is what I've been saying all along.
I've lost track ... have you now changed your opinion on all of this?
You used to disagree with me ... now we agree 100%?
You are focused on obedience to the flesh "earns a person salvation" but he Is saying that a person that has been saved first will be obedient.
 
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Jesus says those who love me will obey. People who love God because He loved them first - obey - from the heart. Not to earn love, but because they know they are loved.

Scripture says we love Him because He loved us first.

Which means our love for Him, started by receiving His love for us.

Scripture says those who love Him will obey.

So obedience is linked to knowing His love.

Do we see this idea in Scripture? Yes.

Apart from Me, you can do nothing. This is abiding in Christ, He is our Vine, and as we abide fruit is formed. What is this fruit? Self-control and faithfulness. Two keys to heart-driven obedience.

Paul discusses this topic with the following idea:

Philippians 2:12Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Our obedience is fueled by His grace. Like, I've said before, grace empowers holiness.

C.
We are all in agreement Jesus and love empower everything in our lives.

What was apparent to me was a group who called me a legalist, denied purity and purification
mattered, and felt the issue in the church was identifying the evil legalist and expelling them
from the fellowship.

I am now more convinced that the whole spiritual dilemma is simply purity, being cleansed in
thought word and deed through the blood, dwelling in Christ, focusing on spiritual things,
and walking in the Spirit.

There are though many issues to deal with and resolve, areas where things are still dark
and we often get things very wrong.

As has been demonstrated over the past few months, believing people are full of hate and
malice is projection unless you can actually find it in reality.

If a person comes from an unstructured background, the commandments give structure and
security. If a person comes from a over analytical condemning background, the structure is
punishment and something that wounds.

If we stick with our love of Christ, respect each others expressions, and do not talk against
Jesus's words and sharing we can find fellowship and a way through.

So I am what I preach, I share from my heart and walk openly. Now if this is evil and I am
full of hate, then it is you who has the problems. If you cannot see without this plank in
your own eye, then you are not listening to Jesus.

Only when you are clean, have forgiven everyone of the hurts done against you, resolved
your issues with your parents and family, can you begin to see openly. Clean vessels can
pour clean water of refreshing joy, purity and holiness. Would you go to a polluted well that
stank and was rancid and take water and drink? Then why do you think your judgments
from an unresolved heart will bring good things about?

If emotions run riot, anger, frustration, envy etc. without knowing why or how to resolve
them, where is your focus or you peace or communion with Christ?

I do not know what as a reader is in your heart, but I do know these realities and that
there is resolution in Christ, and walking them through in obedience. But it is like a ladder,
the first rungs have to be done before the higher ones are attempted.

What I do know is the extreme reaction of some, is a lot have a life of unresolved issues
that need dealing with that are stopping growth or even walking in the Lord.
 

mailmandan

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It all sounds good until you realize you don't see "abiding in Christ" anywhere.
To abide in Christ simply means not to depart, continue, remain. This is something that genuine believers do and not just super saints. 1 John 4:15 - Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. Saving belief in Christ abides and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away.

And no....."jus' believin' in Jesus" won't get you saved
John 3:16, Jesus said - ..whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. In John 3:18, Jesus said - he who believes in Him is not condemned.. In John 6:47, Jesus said - He who believes in Me has everlasting life. In John 11:25, Jesus said - I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. *Do you believe this?

Fruits are required in repentance..... & they NOT required to LIVE BY FAITH?
Believers bear fruit in keeping with repentance (Matthew 3:8; Acts 26:20). All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23).

Dear readers, don't lay down your crown that was freely given to you by your Father at the feet of a thief. The just shall LIVE BY FAITH.
Hebrews 10:38 - Now the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him." 39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
 
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What amuses me is the idea of polarisation.
Certain people have joined discussions not as themselves but as one side or the
other when each individual is often a mixture of all the different emphases.

The division has primary been caused by people calling obedience equivalent to condemnation.
Some expressed the sermon on the mount could not be read without condemnation happening.

To even read the 10 commandments caused condemnation.

This is pure antinomianism where the law becomes something of hatred.
At its core is the rejection of moral law, but it appears most are not this extreme.

The way the discussions went wrong was when accusations of slander, lying and malice
were created where there was none. I found this introduction very damaging and wrong.

So are people commited to Christ and His words or just their lenses?
Is the problem emotional, Jesus's promises failed in their lives so their understanding must
be wrong? This is a dangerous road to travel, because Jesus's words are eternal and we
are very subjective and prone to mood swings and change.

So how serious are you about being honest and open about how hard the things are
Jesus said, and what is so hard, and are we understanding them correctly?
 

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What it really comes down to is this, can we put down our pride and ego and have faith in what Jesus accomplished at the cross? Those who can have found a peace and joy that is beyond measure in Christ. Those who can not write hate filled posts attacking those who know Jesus. It is true humbleness to accept that Jesus has done for us that which we could not do for ourselves. It is false humility and self righteousness to think it is what we do that saves us. Jesus tried over and over to show the "experts" in His time their need for a savior but they rejected Him time and again. Please do not make the same mistake.
 
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What it really comes down to is this, can we put down our pride and ego and have faith in what Jesus accomplished at the cross? Those who can have found a peace and joy that is beyond measure in Christ. Those who can not write hate filled posts attacking those who know Jesus. It is true humbleness to accept that Jesus has done for us that which we could not do for ourselves. It is false humility and self righteousness to think it is what we do that saves us. Jesus tried over and over to show the "experts" in His time their need for a savior but they rejected Him time and again. Please do not make the same mistake.
Amen...it's all to do with humility. Being humble means " to submit to the view or opinion of".

As we submit to the view and opinion of God concerning Himself and what He has done in Christ and of ourselves too because we are in Christ - His kingdom will manifest itself and we will find rest ( grace) for our souls.

It's what James says in his epistle "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble." Submitting to the view and opinion of God towards us accesses the finished work of Christ in our life and it is all by grace through faith.
 
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Hebrews 10:38 - Now the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him." 39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
I have no idea where you stand anymore, butski this is a favorite passage of mine!

The writer says those others fall back to perdition.
But, he claims to know they will not fall back to perdition.
No way, Jose! ... He is being optimistic ... He does NOT know if they will fall back or not.
 
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What it really comes down to is this,
can we put down our pride and ego and have faith in what Jesus accomplished at the cross?
What it really comes down to is this,
can we be open and honest and real enough to accept what the NT says?
I.E. the dozens of dire warnings about falling away, losing eternal life, gaining eternal death, etc.
Hello!
 

JaumeJ

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In response to the question posed in the title, the only action one may execute in order to do God's will is to make himself available..........He does the rest.