LIVE: Electoral College Voting December 19, 2016 (God be with Trump/Pence)
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So you're saying that when people live in high density areas their votes should count less? What's with the idea that a million votes in Orange county CA aren't worth as much as a million votes in Bumfreak Iowa? California doesn't actually get to vote, by the time the primaries roll around and the polls close things are already pretty much decided.
Exactly. The EC was created in the days when information travelled for days by horseback. Now that same info travels around the world at the speed of light.
I supported a third party candidate. But just for example say you were holding a gun to my head and told me to choose between H and T or die. After you refused to actually kill me, I would have voted for Trump. But even if I had my vote would have never crossed the state line. The value of my vote on a national level would have been ZERO. And Joe coal worker in Wyoming would have gotten 3.64 votes for what reason?
I supported a third party candidate. But just for example say you were holding a gun to my head and told me to choose between H and T or die. After you refused to actually kill me, I would have voted for Trump. But even if I had my vote would have never crossed the state line. The value of my vote on a national level would have been ZERO. And Joe coal worker in Wyoming would have gotten 3.64 votes for what reason?
1. When you made the above statement...
I was pointing out that someone new was showing all the the KNOWN and COMMON characteristics of an INTERNET TROLL.
2. You apparently had no way to counter my points, or make some logical defense so...
you tried to AVOID my logical points by attempting a circumvention.
I don't believe you're a troll, but this is a tactic often used by trolls... it allows you to just IGNORE every counter argument instead of actually debating. This is a tactic used by trolls, and since I don't believe you're a troll, I want to encourage you to step up your game.
: )
Sometimes a good circumvention is ok... but it really needs to be more substantial than a flippant bit of misdirection.
3. Regarding the verse you used about "some strangers being angels"... ummm... there is NO PLACE in life where we are to randomly apply scriptures, arbitrarily, and ignore all basic tenets of wisdom and prudence.
God talks much about using wisdom and prudence, at all times.
God even tells us to "prove all things."
4. Regarding the above verse, if we apply it arbitrarily, then every time a Nigerian con-man sends you an email wanting your bank account numbers... you'd have to assume he's an angel, and give him your bank account.
God obviously never intended us to apply this verse arbitrarily, with no wisdom.
I'll reiterate, God even tells us to "prove all things."
Assuming that every idiot we meet is an angel is not only UNWISE... it is actually CONTRARY to scripture... as we are to PROVE ALL THINGS.
5. Regarding the above verse, this "troll" that you think might be an angel.. ummmm... he stated right in his profile that he was "UNSURE IF HE WAS A CHRISTIAN."
I think angels, who actually hang out with GOD... are pretty certain about their religion.
I think that alone is enough to settle the "angel" issue.
6. If we actually STUDY the bible, we can see what angels REALLY do, and how they REALLY behave...
and they never show up DEBATING POLITICS, and discussing the FINER DETAILS OF POLITICAL REFERENDUM.
Angels are messengers of God.
They are never sent to earth to debate the finer points of political referendum... they come with messages about sin and redemption... not the constitution.
Caveat:
Before you pull some odd words of an angel from some obscure place in the Old Testament, and try to paint that as a "political discussion"... God often talks about judging the nations, and tearing some of them down... this is NEVER a political discussion; this is always about SIN, REDEMPTION, and JUDGEMENT... this is never about political referendum and the finer points of some country's laws.
7. It's a sad day when we can't point out a troll without someone saying "Leave him alone, he might be an angel."
Yes, he might be an angel.
And that's about as likely as ME being an angel... along with Trump, Hillary, Vladimir Putin, and Putin's dog.
I was pointing out that someone new was showing all the the KNOWN and COMMON characteristics of an INTERNET TROLL.
2. You apparently had no way to counter my points, or make some logical defense so...
you tried to AVOID my logical points by attempting a circumvention.
I don't believe you're a troll, but this is a tactic often used by trolls... it allows you to just IGNORE every counter argument instead of actually debating. This is a tactic used by trolls, and since I don't believe you're a troll, I want to encourage you to step up your game.
: )
Sometimes a good circumvention is ok... but it really needs to be more substantial than a flippant bit of misdirection.
3. Regarding the verse you used about "some strangers being angels"... ummm... there is NO PLACE in life where we are to randomly apply scriptures, arbitrarily, and ignore all basic tenets of wisdom and prudence.
God talks much about using wisdom and prudence, at all times.
God even tells us to "prove all things."
4. Regarding the above verse, if we apply it arbitrarily, then every time a Nigerian con-man sends you an email wanting your bank account numbers... you'd have to assume he's an angel, and give him your bank account.
God obviously never intended us to apply this verse arbitrarily, with no wisdom.
I'll reiterate, God even tells us to "prove all things."
Assuming that every idiot we meet is an angel is not only UNWISE... it is actually CONTRARY to scripture... as we are to PROVE ALL THINGS.
5. Regarding the above verse, this "troll" that you think might be an angel.. ummmm... he stated right in his profile that he was "UNSURE IF HE WAS A CHRISTIAN."
I think angels, who actually hang out with GOD... are pretty certain about their religion.
I think that alone is enough to settle the "angel" issue.
6. If we actually STUDY the bible, we can see what angels REALLY do, and how they REALLY behave...
and they never show up DEBATING POLITICS, and discussing the FINER DETAILS OF POLITICAL REFERENDUM.
Angels are messengers of God.
They are never sent to earth to debate the finer points of political referendum... they come with messages about sin and redemption... not the constitution.
Caveat:
Before you pull some odd words of an angel from some obscure place in the Old Testament, and try to paint that as a "political discussion"... God often talks about judging the nations, and tearing some of them down... this is NEVER a political discussion; this is always about SIN, REDEMPTION, and JUDGEMENT... this is never about political referendum and the finer points of some country's laws.
7. It's a sad day when we can't point out a troll without someone saying "Leave him alone, he might be an angel."
Yes, he might be an angel.
And that's about as likely as ME being an angel... along with Trump, Hillary, Vladimir Putin, and Putin's dog.
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Haha, of course I'm no angel. I don't think anyone suggested that I likely was. But I do think it is important to help strangers, be they gentile, Jew, or angel
Also, I understand why I looked trollish. I am new, making political posts on a religious forum, and voicing a minority opinion (aren't we not supposed to talk about politics and religion in polite convo? lol). I'm sure you get lots of trolls here, so I didn't really expect the presumption of innocence.
but back on topic:
Both candidates were campaigning in swing-states and stregically trying to win the election according to the laws in place (i.e. both were trying to win 270 electoral votes). Trump won, according to the law of the land. No question about it. If the election was decided by a popular vote, the candidates would have campaigned differently and Trump may still have won.
But regardless of this election cycle: I think we should reconsider the electoral college, and maybe it would give citizens in non-swing-states more equitable representation.
Also, I understand why I looked trollish. I am new, making political posts on a religious forum, and voicing a minority opinion (aren't we not supposed to talk about politics and religion in polite convo? lol). I'm sure you get lots of trolls here, so I didn't really expect the presumption of innocence.
but back on topic:
Both candidates were campaigning in swing-states and stregically trying to win the election according to the laws in place (i.e. both were trying to win 270 electoral votes). Trump won, according to the law of the land. No question about it. If the election was decided by a popular vote, the candidates would have campaigned differently and Trump may still have won.
But regardless of this election cycle: I think we should reconsider the electoral college, and maybe it would give citizens in non-swing-states more equitable representation.
1. When you made the above statement...
I was pointing out that someone new was showing all the the KNOWN and COMMON characteristics of an INTERNET TROLL.
2. You apparently had no way to counter my points, or make some logical defense so...
you tried to AVOID my logical points by attempting a circumvention.
I don't believe you're a troll, but this is a tactic often used by trolls... it allows you to just IGNORE every counter argument instead of actually debating. This is a tactic used by trolls, and since I don't believe you're a troll, I want to encourage you to step up your game.
: )
Sometimes a good circumvention is ok... but it really needs to be more substantial than a flippant bit of misdirection.
3. Regarding the verse you used about "some strangers being angels"... ummm... there is NO PLACE in life where we are to randomly apply scriptures, arbitrarily, and ignore all basic tenets of wisdom and prudence.
God talks much about using wisdom and prudence, at all times.
God even tells us to "prove all things."
4. Regarding the above verse, if we apply it arbitrarily, then every time a Nigerian con-man sends you an email wanting your bank account numbers... you'd have to assume he's an angel, and give him your bank account.
God obviously never intended us to apply this verse arbitrarily, with no wisdom.
I'll reiterate, God even tells us to "prove all things."
Assuming that every idiot we meet is an angel is not only UNWISE... it is actually CONTRARY to scripture... as we are to PROVE ALL THINGS.
5. Regarding the above verse, this "troll" that you think might be an angel.. ummmm... he stated right in his profile that he was "UNSURE IF HE WAS A CHRISTIAN."
I think angels, who actually hang out with GOD... are pretty certain about their religion.
I think that alone is enough to settle the "angel" issue.
6. If we actually STUDY the bible, we can see what angels REALLY do, and how they REALLY behave...
and they never show up DEBATING POLITICS, and discussing the FINER DETAILS OF POLITICAL REFERENDUM.
Angels are messengers of God.
They are never sent to earth to debate the finer points of political referendum... they come with messages about sin and redemption... not the constitution.
Caveat:
Before you pull some odd words of an angel from some obscure place in the Old Testament, and try to paint that as a "political discussion"... God often talks about judging the nations, and tearing some of them down... this is NEVER a political discussion; this is always about SIN, REDEMPTION, and JUDGEMENT... this is never about political referendum and the finer points of some country's laws.
7. It's a sad day when we can't point out a troll without someone saying "Leave him alone, he might be an angel."
Yes, he might be an angel.
And that's about as likely as ME being an angel... along with Trump, Hillary, Vladimir Putin, and Putin's dog.
I was pointing out that someone new was showing all the the KNOWN and COMMON characteristics of an INTERNET TROLL.
2. You apparently had no way to counter my points, or make some logical defense so...
you tried to AVOID my logical points by attempting a circumvention.
I don't believe you're a troll, but this is a tactic often used by trolls... it allows you to just IGNORE every counter argument instead of actually debating. This is a tactic used by trolls, and since I don't believe you're a troll, I want to encourage you to step up your game.
: )
Sometimes a good circumvention is ok... but it really needs to be more substantial than a flippant bit of misdirection.
3. Regarding the verse you used about "some strangers being angels"... ummm... there is NO PLACE in life where we are to randomly apply scriptures, arbitrarily, and ignore all basic tenets of wisdom and prudence.
God talks much about using wisdom and prudence, at all times.
God even tells us to "prove all things."
4. Regarding the above verse, if we apply it arbitrarily, then every time a Nigerian con-man sends you an email wanting your bank account numbers... you'd have to assume he's an angel, and give him your bank account.
God obviously never intended us to apply this verse arbitrarily, with no wisdom.
I'll reiterate, God even tells us to "prove all things."
Assuming that every idiot we meet is an angel is not only UNWISE... it is actually CONTRARY to scripture... as we are to PROVE ALL THINGS.
5. Regarding the above verse, this "troll" that you think might be an angel.. ummmm... he stated right in his profile that he was "UNSURE IF HE WAS A CHRISTIAN."
I think angels, who actually hang out with GOD... are pretty certain about their religion.
I think that alone is enough to settle the "angel" issue.
6. If we actually STUDY the bible, we can see what angels REALLY do, and how they REALLY behave...
and they never show up DEBATING POLITICS, and discussing the FINER DETAILS OF POLITICAL REFERENDUM.
Angels are messengers of God.
They are never sent to earth to debate the finer points of political referendum... they come with messages about sin and redemption... not the constitution.
Caveat:
Before you pull some odd words of an angel from some obscure place in the Old Testament, and try to paint that as a "political discussion"... God often talks about judging the nations, and tearing some of them down... this is NEVER a political discussion; this is always about SIN, REDEMPTION, and JUDGEMENT... this is never about political referendum and the finer points of some country's laws.
7. It's a sad day when we can't point out a troll without someone saying "Leave him alone, he might be an angel."
Yes, he might be an angel.
And that's about as likely as ME being an angel... along with Trump, Hillary, Vladimir Putin, and Putin's dog.
Haha, of course I'm no angel. I don't think anyone suggested that I likely was. But I do think it is important to help strangers, be they gentile, Jew, or angel
Also, I understand why I looked trollish. I am new, making political posts on a religious forum, and voicing a minority opinion (aren't we not supposed to talk about politics and religion in polite convo? lol). I'm sure you get lots of trolls here, so I didn't really expect the presumption of innocence.
but back on topic:
Both candidates were campaigning in swing-states and stregically trying to win the election according to the laws in place (i.e. both were trying to win 270 electoral votes). Trump won, according to the law of the land. No question about it. If the election was decided by a popular vote, the candidates would have campaigned differently and Trump may still have won.
But regardless of this election cycle: I think we should reconsider the electoral college, and maybe it would give citizens in non-swing-states more equitable representation.
Also, I understand why I looked trollish. I am new, making political posts on a religious forum, and voicing a minority opinion (aren't we not supposed to talk about politics and religion in polite convo? lol). I'm sure you get lots of trolls here, so I didn't really expect the presumption of innocence.
but back on topic:
Both candidates were campaigning in swing-states and stregically trying to win the election according to the laws in place (i.e. both were trying to win 270 electoral votes). Trump won, according to the law of the land. No question about it. If the election was decided by a popular vote, the candidates would have campaigned differently and Trump may still have won.
But regardless of this election cycle: I think we should reconsider the electoral college, and maybe it would give citizens in non-swing-states more equitable representation.
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You are correct, the US is a republic. It is also an indirect democracy, a constitutional republic, a democratic republic, a representative democracy, a presedential republic, and a liberal democracy.
Depending on what aspects of political science we are discussing, any of these terms could be appropriate. We were discussing democratically chosen representatives (electors), so I used the term "representative democracy." There's no need to split hairs here.
Depending on what aspects of political science we are discussing, any of these terms could be appropriate. We were discussing democratically chosen representatives (electors), so I used the term "representative democracy." There's no need to split hairs here.
