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I will ask again, who was the covenant for in the OT, and what happened to the gentiles????
Now you have shown me you don't really know what you talking about. I think you have been reading to many websites shwagga. yep, I have responsibility aswel. we all do
I have to laugh at guys like you who think reformed theology is TULIP I think you need to learn abit more shwagga.
Phil
Now you have shown me you don't really know what you talking about. I think you have been reading to many websites shwagga. yep, I have responsibility aswel. we all do
I have to laugh at guys like you who think reformed theology is TULIP I think you need to learn abit more shwagga.
Phil
If you want to point out my misrepresentation, please do. But I will just drop the subject as it's very touchy to you. So I do acknowledge you as a brother in the Lord, we are saved by grace through faith, and not by doctrine!
May the Lord bless you and keep you.
Take care!
lol its not touchy, but I have seen how men want to believe that they have autonomy, its still pride.. we don't.. and if you are honest with yourself, as I have been. you will realise that you where dead in your sin.. that means 'dead', Why would Jesus say you are condemned already.. but as I say, we will probably never agree..
ah yes, we are saved by grace and not doctrine.. you better believe it, praise God!
I just get slightly annoyed when people start debating on something they really don't know anything about it.. its ignorance really. and you still have not answered my question, but its ok shwagga, God bless you and I love you as a brother
Again I will finish this discussion with the words from our Lord Himself:
35Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me,that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."
In Christ
Phil
ah yes, we are saved by grace and not doctrine.. you better believe it, praise God!
I just get slightly annoyed when people start debating on something they really don't know anything about it.. its ignorance really. and you still have not answered my question, but its ok shwagga, God bless you and I love you as a brother
Again I will finish this discussion with the words from our Lord Himself:
35Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me,that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."
In Christ
Phil
Not really I still am unsure how you believe God predestines some to heaven, and yet whether or not we go to hell is entirely up to us.
I still am unsure how you believe God predestines some to heaven, and yet whether or not we go to hell is entirely up to us.
your presupposition is wrong. I have never said anyone is predestined to Hell.
If you can answer this question you will understand.. Do we deserve Hell 'the wages of sin is death'?
And I hope, as all Christians should agree that we do!
The point is then, that it is by God's good grace that any are saved at all. as we all deserve the wrath of God, unless saved.
people mistakingly think that Calvinists just rely on Romans 9, but thats not true.. the whole framework of the bible is Covenant. The Jews where those of Covenant now there are 2 main covenants in the OT 'law' and 'promise' you'll see this clearly in Galatians 4 (from memory). Christ fulfilled the law covenant, and was the promised seed and blessing to all nations, and we are now in Christ (new covenant).
2 Tim 'called us' 'saved us' not by works but grace.
9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Rev 13:8
8and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
anyhow rogue its late here time for bed..
Have a bless'd night
Phil
Its simple... This is about the fourth time I have said it.. sorry if I msread your post rogue,, I have explained it above.
Here we go again
Do we deserve Hell (the wages of sin is death) ? I explained this above! this is from my post above incase you missed it rogue
If you can answer this question you will understand.. Do we deserve Hell 'the wages of sin is death'?
And I hope, as all Christians should agree that we do!
The point is then, that it is by God's good grace that any are saved at all. as we all deserve the wrath of God, unless saved.
Phil
Here we go again
Do we deserve Hell (the wages of sin is death) ? I explained this above! this is from my post above incase you missed it rogue
If you can answer this question you will understand.. Do we deserve Hell 'the wages of sin is death'?
And I hope, as all Christians should agree that we do!
The point is then, that it is by God's good grace that any are saved at all. as we all deserve the wrath of God, unless saved.
Phil
Its simple... This is about the fourth time I have said it.. sorry if I msread your post rogue,, I have explained it above.
Here we go again
Do we deserve Hell (the wages of sin is death) ? I explained this above! this is from my post above incase you missed it rogue
If you can answer this question you will understand.. Do we deserve Hell 'the wages of sin is death'?
And I hope, as all Christians should agree that we do!
The point is then, that it is by God's good grace that any are saved at all. as we all deserve the wrath of God, unless saved.
Phil
Here we go again
Do we deserve Hell (the wages of sin is death) ? I explained this above! this is from my post above incase you missed it rogue
If you can answer this question you will understand.. Do we deserve Hell 'the wages of sin is death'?
And I hope, as all Christians should agree that we do!
The point is then, that it is by God's good grace that any are saved at all. as we all deserve the wrath of God, unless saved.
Phil
Please allow me to give an example:
A man named Quest was born with a contagious disease. Well, this poor man is suddenly in great trouble, because he is guilty of a crime in his country! For the leader of the country has decreed: "All men contaminated with this disease must die, because their disease is spreading to all the people."
Now, the leader of the country has two options. He can either offer Quest the medicine that cures his disease, or he can withhold the cure and condemn Quest to death.
Now then, if Quest fails to drink the curing medicine because it was denied to him, is he at fault? Surely he can not be at fault, for he was born with the disease and the medicine was denied to him. In fact, if the leader of his country had any compassion at all, he would surely offer this poor wretch the chance to be cured, and then Quest would be allowed to live, and his disease would stop spreading.
Of course, if the medicine is offered to Quest, but he refuses to drink it, then he is justly worthy of death.
Quest
A man named Quest was born with a contagious disease. Well, this poor man is suddenly in great trouble, because he is guilty of a crime in his country! For the leader of the country has decreed: "All men contaminated with this disease must die, because their disease is spreading to all the people."
Now, the leader of the country has two options. He can either offer Quest the medicine that cures his disease, or he can withhold the cure and condemn Quest to death.
Now then, if Quest fails to drink the curing medicine because it was denied to him, is he at fault? Surely he can not be at fault, for he was born with the disease and the medicine was denied to him. In fact, if the leader of his country had any compassion at all, he would surely offer this poor wretch the chance to be cured, and then Quest would be allowed to live, and his disease would stop spreading.
Of course, if the medicine is offered to Quest, but he refuses to drink it, then he is justly worthy of death.
Quest
Thats a nice analogy, However it is the same as the one with the man drowning that you offered.
God has atoned for the sins of all the world, however the problem arise, and heres the problem men are salves to their sin, the hate the light, and are sons of their Father the devil. no one is good and all deny God in their heart.
so, here is the problem with your analogy. The man does not realise he has a disease. for he has been blinded by the darkness. he has suppressed the truth in his heart!
I will ask you the same question QT.
Do we deserve death (the wages of sin is death) and who is to blame for this?
its a very simple question.
Phil
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