The easy way to spot a false grace message
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How ridiculous. I did not give birth to myself, I did not set myself free from sin. Jesus Christ did, He is my righteousness. If you put on Jesus Christ are you putting on a sinner? Think about it. 
Do you still give in to the flesh in some sort from time to time?
Just be honest with us here. Be truthful. Thank you.
You guys just want to find fault in me and accuse me, as if this makes the words of God any less true. Don't believe if you wish, and accuse me all you want because your judgment of me does not matter, there is one who judges me, believe His words.
These are very simple questions. Why can't you be truthful with us?
So do you still sin from time to time?
Do you still give in to the flesh in some sort from time to time?
Just be honest with us here. Be truthful. Thank you.
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How ridiculous. I did not give birth to myself, I did not set myself free from sin. Jesus Christ did, He is my righteousness. If you put on Jesus Christ are you putting on a sinner? Think about it.
Many of us have tried numerous times to get him to be truthful with us and answer the question of whether he still sins from time to time and he refuses to answer.
It's hard to have any kind of a discussion about what he writes about in his "personal application" of some scriptures because he refuses to be honest with us.
When no truthfulness is being done - then it's useless to try to discuss anything with this sort of a mindset. Maybe it is just best to ignore his posts and to not interact with him.
Being deceitful is not an atmosphere to have healthy discussions in and is just a waste of time and brings strife and division and after repeatedly there is no repentance being shown - it's time to avoid this type of behavior just like Paul says in Romans 16:17
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
It's hard to have any kind of a discussion about what he writes about in his "personal application" of some scriptures because he refuses to be honest with us.
When no truthfulness is being done - then it's useless to try to discuss anything with this sort of a mindset. Maybe it is just best to ignore his posts and to not interact with him.
Being deceitful is not an atmosphere to have healthy discussions in and is just a waste of time and brings strife and division and after repeatedly there is no repentance being shown - it's time to avoid this type of behavior just like Paul says in Romans 16:17
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Thou art refuted. And by Joseph Prince, no less! Apologies if someone else has already posted this. I came across it quite by 'chance' today while doing other things and remembered your OP :
[video=youtube;I-DcZA8NO44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DcZA8NO44&t=380s[/video]
-JGIG
:[video=youtube;I-DcZA8NO44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DcZA8NO44&t=380s[/video]
-JGIG
Oh please spare us, JP has already been exposed as being a phony over and over again in these forums. Also this HG preacher video is against the forum rules.
As for the video being against forum rules, um, no. The Forum Rules state no such thing.
Moderators did warn, however, that threads designed to attack either side regarding the topic of hyper grace and those who teach it are prohibited from the forum:
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. (source)
And InSpiritInTruth, here's the thing: YOU actually violated the spirit of the moderators' instruction by titling this thread, "The easy way to spot a false grace message". You've simply re-labeled 'hyper-grace' as 'false grace' as an end-around to the mods' exhortation. I'm sure no one noticed, though
.The assertion of your OP is demonstrably untrue. I gave an example of a 'false grace' teacher, in your view, who showed the assertions in your OP to be untrue.
You have again sown seeds of discord and division in this body. The very thing the mods were exhorting all of us to NOT do.
-JGIG
How ridiculous. I did not give birth to myself, I did not set myself free from sin. Jesus Christ did, He is my righteousness. If you put on Jesus Christ are you putting on a sinner? Think about it.
Shame on those who mock and ridicule walking in righteousness, these are the enemies
of Christ.
Great honour is due to you for persecution for righteousness. Sad is the day when
walking and exalting right behaviour is deemed evil.
Being deceitful and dishonest is NOT "walking in righteousness".
Titus 2:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,
Only God can judge the hearts of men but Paul describes "deceitfulness" and they masquerade as "preachers of righteousness".
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
Satan and his horde do not come to the believer in Christ and say "Sin all you want" because no one would for fall for such a lie.
Instead they come as "ministers of righteousness".
They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.
This cuts us off from receiving the grace of God in our lives.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( notice that is "their" works )
This below is what satan is really after...this is why he has false teachers in our midst. He wants us to fall away from grace and depend on our own performance.
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Titus 2:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,
Only God can judge the hearts of men but Paul describes "deceitfulness" and they masquerade as "preachers of righteousness".
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
Satan and his horde do not come to the believer in Christ and say "Sin all you want" because no one would for fall for such a lie.
Instead they come as "ministers of righteousness".
They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.
This cuts us off from receiving the grace of God in our lives.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( notice that is "their" works )
This below is what satan is really after...this is why he has false teachers in our midst. He wants us to fall away from grace and depend on our own performance.
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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