How long is the tribulation?

Bladerunner · Jan 13, 2017

zone said:

I guess I have to ask,,,,,What world are you living in...

It makes all the difference.... With the Muslims in control of the Temple Mount, a third temple cannot be built. Israel has a peace treaty with Jordan and from what the Bible states, this may not change for a while....

The bible tells us during the days of (wrath/tribulations), that the land of the Edomites, Amonites, Moabites (Jordan today) with not be touched by the hand of the antichrist. God tells us in rev 12 that he will protect and feed the people who flee to the south (Petra) for 3 1/2 years. Is this why the anti-christ does not touch Jordan?????????????????

Everybody keeps saying that for 2000 years, Jerusalem is under gentile control....NOT SO! In 1967, Israel took over the Holy City and now control it.

Through the UN, all the major countries in the world are trying to split Israel's land up...God tells us He will not allow this.

Now tell me why it is irrelevant.

Bladerunner · Jan 13, 2017

Persuaded said:

Isaiah 56:6-8; Zechariah 14:16; and Jeremiah 33:15-18; Ezekiel 43:18-46:24, Rev. 11:11

Bladerunner · Jan 13, 2017

zone said:

what according to your lutheran church principles,,,,,,

Bladerunner · Jan 13, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

spirit children????????????

Bladerunner · Jan 13, 2017

EarnestQ said:

Please refer to post #100 on page 5.....Thank you for the question.

Persuaded · Jan 13, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Yes, Jesus will rule on David's throne.
David's throne was never in the Temple.
The Temple worship system with the priest and the animal sacrifice is done. It's purpose is complete. It is no longer acceptable to God.
Read my post again.

Persuaded · Jan 13, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Because Dan.9:27 states that the abomination will be set up in the middle of the seven years. Jesus quotes Dan.9:27 in Matt.24:15, which puts his description of end time events leading up to the end of the age 3 1/2 years after the abomination is set up. Matt.24:29-31 takes place 3 1/2 years after his mention of the abomination being set up.

Regarding the seven years, Revelation refers to both the first and second 3 1/2 year periods as 1260 days, 42 months and a time, times and a half a time.

Matt.24:15 = The middle of the seven

Matt.24:29-31 = End of the second 3 1/2 years and the end of the age.

Wrong again about Dan. 9:27

Persuaded · Jan 13, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

The program for the church is separate from the program of the nation Israel. Once the church has been completed, Christ will appear and gather the church. After that, he will pick up where he left off with Israel. Regarding this Jesus told them

"I have come in my Father's name and you did not accept me. If another comes in his own name, him you will receive."

Jesus said this in reference to that coming antichrist, who will make it possible for them to rebuild their temple. When he puts a stop to the sacrifices and that abomination is set up in the holy place, then Israel will flee knowing that he is not their Messiah, which takes place in the middle of the seven. At that time, they will flee out into the desert to that place that God will have prepared for them and they will remain there until Christ returns 3 1/2 years later.

If you don't think that there is going to be any more temple worship, you need to read Ezekiel 40-48 regarding the temple and sacrifices that will be going on during the millennium for Israel.

I stated that any temple worship BEFORE Jesus return would not be accepted.

Persuaded · Jan 13, 2017

EarnestQ said:

Might that be the Day of God's Wrath, starting at the seventh (last) trumpet and including the Battle of Armagedon, just after the saints are translated at the end 3 1/2 year tribulation?

(The seven year tribulation is likely a mistranslation of Dan 9:27 which is likely talking about Christ, not antichrist. Jesus set up the covenant with many, not the AC.)

I am not alone! Two others that understand Dan. 9:27.

Persuaded · Jan 13, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Sorry...but in Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

one week of 7 years. and in the midst (1/2) of the week (3 1/2 years) Keep in mind who is telling Daniel this....Gabriel

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Daniel 12:12-11....." And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The problem with this is that we really DO NOT know when the 1290 days started. Is it a thirty day period before the beginning of the last 3 1/2 years or is it added onto the 1260 days giving the people of Israel to possibly clean and make ready a restart of sacrifices,,,maybe repair the temple....or build an altar......?

The bottom Line here is We Just Do Not Know..The Bible is not specific enough here for me to say.

Rev 12:12... "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days".

Does the 1335 days start prior to the 1260 days or are these days added to the 1290 days above to allow people/nations to gather in Israel for the beginning of the Millennium.

and/or

what does it mean by "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the...."

There is nothing in the Bible that gives with any degree certainty what this verse actually means.

We Just Do Not Know at this time.

Having said that, everyone has an opinion on what it is but for myself as a literalist, the Bible does not tell us about these verses. I am sure that some of our spirit people in here will be able to weave it in and around a good story to fit their agenda or beliefs.

I Can Not!

Again, Dan. 9:27 is not referring to the "anti-christ".
Dan. 27 is all about the 70 weeks, The Messiah, the rebuilding of the temple and its destruction by Titus in 70 AD.
The anti-christ is not mentioned nor referred to in Dan. 27.

Ahwatukee · Jan 13, 2017

I continue to see you and others attempt to use the scripture above in order to prove that Jesus is speaking in parables to believers. This is a perfect example of the meaning of taking things out of context. Here is the scripture below:

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"The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.

This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has
become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’

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So, as you can see, but may not admit to, the disciples ask Jesus, "why do you speak to the [people] in parables?
Jesus answer: "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them."

The "You" in the verse above, would refer to the disciples and all believers, ergo, we as believers have been given the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but it wasn't given to them. The "them" would be the people of that generation of Israel. Therefore, when Jesus says that he speaks in parables, it was to that generation of Israel, according to the prophecy in Isaiah which Jesus quoted.

Regarding spiritual meanings, you invent them. You force other meanings that aren't there, as there is nothing to link the verse to your claim. It is all conjecture. Not everything, in fact, most subjects in the Bible do not have multiple meanings. All you're doing is forcing the issue. You apply parabolic meanings to Biblical topics that are not parables.

zone · Jan 13, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

this is heresy
some other gospel.
don't try saying the gospel isn't what you meant.
whoever is Christ's is Israel. those who aren't, are not.

zone · Jan 13, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

ah yes, the great disappearance gospel.
total foolishness.

zone · Jan 13, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

The 1000 years that you read right in scripture, which you and others prefer to ignore and instead spiritualize. The burden of proof is on you and that because we can read "a thousand years" right in print mentioned consistently six times. When reading the context a face value, you certainly can't say that it doesn't say a thousand years.

And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain.He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[SUP]a[/SUP] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

Did you see it that time?

see it?
I know exactly what you are proposing.
I'm telling you it's ridiculous

zone · Jan 13, 2017

Persuaded said:

Jesus is already on David's throne.

Bladerunner · Jan 13, 2017

Persuaded said:

It seems to me that if You can legitimately get rid of Animal sacrifice then you can get rid of a third temple and be able to validate your biblical/Christian views.

I did not say David's throne was in the temple but Jesus will rule from where ever you think it will be in Jerusalem. David was Human. The Holy of Holies is within the temple. The Throne of David is not a literal seat/throne but the ruler of the Kingdom.
So Yes, Jesus will rule from the third temple.

Persuaded · Jan 13, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Yes, Jesus will rule from the third temple.
There are some who teach that the third temple will be built and the temple worship system will be a reality WITH GOD'S BLESSING before the return of Jesus.
The temple may very well be rebuilt (but I believe it will not until Jesus returns) and the worship system restored before Jesus returns but God will not approve it.
He will not accept the worship. It will be an abomination to Him.
When Jesus gave Himself for the sins of all men on the cross, the temple worship system was no longer acceptable to God.

Spurgeoncy · Jan 13, 2017

Persuaded said:

Cowpats on toast with redneck droppings.

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jesus will destroy the Levitical Temple and the delusional Church which has hooked up with Zionist "Israel" when he returns

Ahwatukee · Jan 13, 2017

zone said:

I'm not proposing anything. The scripture is right in front of your eyes above and you don't believe what you are reading, and that because you ignore what it literally says. You can't discern from what is literal and what is symbolic. You certainly can't say that the scripture doesn't say "a thousand years." By the teachings of men, you distort the rest of prophecy as well.

If you believe that end-time events have already taken place at the destruction of the temple, then you are in for a very big surprise!

Desertsrose · Jan 13, 2017

Persuaded said:

Yes, Jesus will rule from the third temple.
There are some who teach that the third temple will be built and the temple worship system will be a reality WITH GOD'S BLESSING before the return of Jesus.
The temple may very well be rebuilt (but I believe it will not until Jesus returns) and the worship system restored before Jesus returns but God will not approve it.
He will not accept the worship. It will be an abomination to Him.
When Jesus gave Himself for the sins of all men on the cross, the temple worship system was no longer acceptable to God.

Hi Persuaded, Have you read Ezekiel all the way through along with some of the other prophets like Zechariah?

How long is the tribulation?

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