Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004

mailmandan · Feb 5, 2017

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent, which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship.

So the term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge. Only those who are truly born of God have this relationship with Him.

Many people on that day will say Lord, Lord... (Matthew 7:22-23) yet sadly, Jesus will tell them, I NEVER knew you...

Grace777x70 · Feb 5, 2017

Notice that in Matt 7:19-33..Jesus said:

"I never knew you "...these people were not believers...

( Jesus never said " I used to know you once.". He said I NEVER knew you at all...).

Everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....because He is Lord and will be for eternity.

Jesus said that He "knows" His sheep so those in Matt. 7:19-33 are not true Christians.

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14[/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world

Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4[/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13[/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)

[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

[SUP]24[/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being led by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we live our lives dependent on Him. It is His fruit that bears in and through us.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8[/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

[SUP]9[/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[SUP]10[/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Grandpa · Feb 5, 2017

FranC said:

Well, yeah, sort of.

Hebrews 7:11-19
[FONT=&quot]11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Do you understand what is being said here? And to whom it is being said?[/FONT]

PeterJens · Feb 5, 2017

Let us go into the wackey world of faith.

People doing prophecy, casting out demons and healings are not believers.
They are going up to Jesus saying "Lord" which suggests they think they know what they are.

Wolves are immature believers.
If you trust Christ, if you think you can fall away you are not a believer but are evil in unbelief.

You trust Christ won victory for you, except only in the law courts not in your life.
And the evil people are those actually walking in victory.

Sounds like confusion, defeat and worldliness to me. If this is Christs message
it is worthless.

Either Christ came to bring the Kingdom of heaven to earth, or he is lying.

PeterJens · Feb 5, 2017

God has one message. Walk with me find life, walk without me find death.

Grace777x70 · Feb 5, 2017

Brethren - we are not redeemed until our next failure. The blood of the Lord Jesus Christ speaks of better things.

We have eternal redemption because of what Christ has already done and the fact that we are one spirit with Him. In Him we have eternal redemption through His blood - not by what we do or don't do.

Hebrews 9:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

Colossians 1:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

We have = present tense - present tense is always present tense. When tomorrow comes - it will be present tense then too.

Does this make us want to go out and sin all we want? No, a thousand times No! Of course not - why?

Because "knowing this truth" releases the grace of God in our lives to operate to produce His life in and through us. Jesus said "You shall know the truth and that truth shall make you free."

It's time to "repent and believe the gospel" like Jesus said in Mark 1:15 After all it is not called the "good news" for no reason.

We have a great and wondrous salvation but it is all in Christ and what He has already done. We receive this all by grace through faith. As we have received Christ - so we walk in Him in like manner.

PeterJens · Feb 5, 2017

But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Matt 6:15

PeterJens · Feb 5, 2017

We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1 John 1:3

PeterJens · Feb 5, 2017

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own
1 Cor 6:19

Grace777x70 · Feb 5, 2017

God Himself said this:

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

So, everyone that has ever sinned is blotted out of His book. Is this true?

All scripture needs to be viewed through the finished work of Christ. The finished work of Christ has the final say on truth.

What about forgiveness after the cross?

I guess Peter and Paul had no idea of what Jesus said there before the Cross when they preached the gospel of the grace of Christ?

Look at the word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of Christ being preached and no where does it say to "forgive first or you will not be forgiven" I'll give you the exact scripture references . Peter - Acts 10:43 and Paul Acts 13:38

Have you ever heard Billy Graham say " Forgive people first before you come to receive Christ's forgiveness"?..of course not..it is anti-the gospel.

It is extremely important to read all scriptures in their context - even the words of Jesus. I understand this conflicts with some of our religious beliefs passed on by man-made traditions which nullify the grace of God.

The Cross of Christ changed from living according to law and we are now in the grace of Christ for forgiveness. It is not based on us. We forgive because we are forgiven - it's in our nature now.

RomansToPhilemon · Feb 5, 2017

MattTooFor said:

The book of James isn't written to the body of Christ. It's written to tribulation saints who are formed after the rapture and God restarts Israels prophecy program. Currently we live in the dispensation of Grace which was kept secret since the world began. You won't find the body of Christ outside of Paul's epistles. The people in James are saved by their faith but will have to continue until the end in good works to receive their justification. If they do not, they will not be saved. Their salvation is earned. Our's is imputed onto us the moment we believe, as clearly said by the apostle Paul.

stonesoffire · Feb 5, 2017

For one born again to think that we could lose salvation just shows a lack of understanding that what we were has been struck at its very root in our life by Holy Spirit; and a new life so different from before now exists. We are a creation never before seen on earth. It's not something that we hold so that we could somehow lose it. It's our very being. Created in the image of God, Spirit, existing in the Beloved One, acceptable to Father.

Its just old habits, old ways of thinking...daily wasting away as we see who we really are by perceiving Jesus. As He is...so are we. Believe it for faith has substance that works in the spiritual realms of heaven. Where we live from.

Let our vision become as He sees.

A progressive work of God who has fully accepted us even yet before He changed us.

FranC · Feb 5, 2017

AllenW said:

It's easy to walk away from some wives. LOL
Not so easy to walk away from Jesus.
Is it impossible?
I know persons to whom this has happened but then you'll say they were never saved to begin with.

Fran

FranC · Feb 5, 2017

RomansToPhilemon said:

The above is some of the strangest stuff I've ever read .

I usually don't ask because I know the bible and don't need references.
BUT, in this case, could you please post some scripture in support of the above so that maybe I could learn something new,
and maybe I can't...

Thanks.
Fran

LaurenTM · Feb 5, 2017

RomansToPhilemon said:

few should want to be teachers as far more is required from those who are

the book of James was written to Jewish Christians and some consider it the oldest book in the NT

it is COMPLIMENTARY to Paul's teachings...it does not contradict Paul

what we have here, is a failure to comprehend

Paul does concentrate on our justification by grace, but James writes of what results out of that grace and our walk

these books are two sides of the same coin

what you have posted is fabrication and noteworthy in it's mistaken application

RomansToPhilemon · Feb 5, 2017

FranC said:

You are baptized with the Holy Spirit the moment you trust the gospel. Sealed unto the day of redemption. Sealed by the Holy Spirit.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

If God says you are sealed until the day of redemption, that seal's not breaking until the day of redemption. You are given the holy Spirit and have justification and sanctification imputed on you the moment you believe. That seal isn't breaking. Even warns believers to not grieve the holy Spirit. If you can grieve the Spirit, than you can sin when you are saved. It's the old man vs new man creature at enmity with each other. This is why it's important to know how to rightly divide the word of truth. Because you are going to go mix Israels prophecy and gospel with Paul's mystery and gospel. Major error in modern mainline Christianity.

LaurenTM · Feb 5, 2017

FranC said:

absolutely nothing will support that post...and you know that

this guy is tearing up the forums with this stuff and he is serious about it

FranC · Feb 5, 2017

PeterJens said:

Nice way of putting this idea.
If God is with you, you're safe.
If God is NOT with you, you're NOT safe.
Hebrews 10:36-39

Fran

RomansToPhilemon · Feb 5, 2017

LaurenTM said:

few should want to be teachers as far more is required from those who are

the book of James was written to Jewish Christians and some consider it the oldest book in the NT

it is COMPLIMENTARY to Paul's teachings...it does not contradict Paul

what we have here, is a failure to comprehend

Paul does concentrate on our justification by grace, but James writes of what results out of that grace and our walk

these books are two sides of the same coin

what you have posted is fabrication and noteworthy in it's mistaken application

Jewish Christians is an oxymoron. Neither Jew nor Gentile is in the body of Christ.

LaurenTM · Feb 5, 2017

the more some people try to glean what they think is deeper knowledge and new revelation, the more they twist what is actually written

it is painful to watch the progression

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