Once saved, always saved. Chosen elect of God?
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There is a really good reason the books like James and Hebrews come after the writing of paul. Not to discount what he says but to go deeper into what he said as what a Christian life should look like. Many only remain on the infant knowledge of Romans and Ephesians but they ignore the importance of James and Hebrews. Then once you get through James and Hebrews we get even deeper on Christian living and watching out for false teachers.
James was the one of the very first books written in the NT - if not the very first one - 50 AD.
He wrote this book before Paul wrote any of his epistles and before the council meeting in Jerusalem about the Law of Moses and should Christians keep it and what should we tell the gentile believers to do.
James had not had the revelation that Paul did yet of what happened from the cross to the throne. He didn't even know that the gospel was for the gentiles back then either.
But James and Paul writings have no conflicts whatsoever.
He wrote this book before Paul wrote any of his epistles and before the council meeting in Jerusalem about the Law of Moses and should Christians keep it and what should we tell the gentile believers to do.
James had not had the revelation that Paul did yet of what happened from the cross to the throne. He didn't even know that the gospel was for the gentiles back then either.
But James and Paul writings have no conflicts whatsoever.
I was speaking on the sequence that James was masterly put into the creation of the Bible.
And in which all we should focus on is what you said at the end.
But James and Paul's writings have no conflicts they are beautifully a flow of God's truth. Sadly many do not see the importance of all scripture as God's living Word.
And in which all we should focus on is what you said at the end.
But James and Paul's writings have no conflicts they are beautifully a flow of God's truth. Sadly many do not see the importance of all scripture as God's living Word.
I agree that on the importance of all scriptures that lead us to "The Word of God - Jesus Himself"
As far as the order in the NT. James was placed at the end with the other writers after Paul by size. It has no divinely inspired meaning. It was man-made.
They put them in order of size after Paul's writings which is why James was the first one after the unknown author of Hebrews. It is all mostly done by size - even Paul's epistles were put in order that way.
Check it out if you want and do a google search.
As far as the order in the NT. James was placed at the end with the other writers after Paul by size. It has no divinely inspired meaning. It was man-made.
They put them in order of size after Paul's writings which is why James was the first one after the unknown author of Hebrews. It is all mostly done by size - even Paul's epistles were put in order that way.
Check it out if you want and do a google search.
I always have believed that the Bible was man written but God inspired. Which means God's hand was into the whole creation of the Bible. He just happened to use men to do it. I mean If man would of put Paul's writings before the Gospels it would of been confusing. But I truly believe God instructed the Bible through men to be exactly as it is placed. Making everything to be read in a fluent motion. As a beautiful true story leading up to revelations and good conquers evil.
It may be but without a doubt the books were arranged by size by man and based on the author of the book. It is a well-known fact. One can also see some errors in translations in all the man-made bibles but we have the manuscripts to lean on which the Lord has made great tools for all of us to study the scriptures.
The proposition is simple.
Hard hearts deny our problem is within us, but external to us.
God declares our problem is our sin and isolation, not responding to love and letting love
rule everything we do.
If you understand this is our problem and open your hearts in full repentance before the
cross, then healing flows, resolution and forgiveness is found.
Now it appears to me, though this is where I stand another group despise this gospel and
wish to replace it with something else.
And we are the people of God, can do nothing else by pray and ask for God forgiveness
and grace so that we can share what God has done within us.
Now love is Christ and the cross, resolution is repentance and confession, accepting
forgiveness through the cross and learning to obey and love from the heart.
Unfortunately hard hearted people are impervious to this reality, and will say we are
anti-Christ, pouring guilt on sinners, so condemning them to reject Christ, when all
they need to do is accept Christ, without repentance, and they will be saved.
This is apostacy, a turning away from righteousness and purity, walking in the ways
of the world and compromising spiritual realities.
Legalists and those under the law will always feel condemnation, it is the ministry
of the Holy Spirit. Only those washed and purified will ever feel release, because the
Holy Spirit will testify with their spirit they they have been washed and purified.
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
If we rise in rebellion against love, then we know we need to repent, because we are
rising up against God himself.
To know Christ is to know resolution within. But what is being declared by some, is
though they have no resolution, they know Christ and I do not. But the scriptures
already declare this is wrong. We know we know Christ when we love.
And we need forgiveness, healing and purification to get to this state.
But people walk in real unbelief, because though they claim God can change them,
they refuse to admit this is the sign of a true movement of God within.
Because it has not happened to them, this is a denial of where they stand.
But here is the spiritual paradox. Will we humble ourselves before the cross when
faced with our own sin and rebellion or continue in it, claiming this is the wisdom
of God.
The Kingdom of God is a place of choice, not force.
Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
James 4:10
How long will you refuse to humble yourself before me? Let my people go, so that they may worship me.
Exodus 10:3
For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Matt 23:12
Dear Lord, forgive us when we sin. We repent of our sin, and commit ourselves to
walk in your ways, to live by the Spirit, to learn your love and victory in our lives
through your word. We thank you for the cross, and reach out in faith for healing
of our hearts of the hurts and pain that bind us, and help us to open up and learn
how to love those around us, Amen.
Hard hearts deny our problem is within us, but external to us.
God declares our problem is our sin and isolation, not responding to love and letting love
rule everything we do.
If you understand this is our problem and open your hearts in full repentance before the
cross, then healing flows, resolution and forgiveness is found.
Now it appears to me, though this is where I stand another group despise this gospel and
wish to replace it with something else.
And we are the people of God, can do nothing else by pray and ask for God forgiveness
and grace so that we can share what God has done within us.
Now love is Christ and the cross, resolution is repentance and confession, accepting
forgiveness through the cross and learning to obey and love from the heart.
Unfortunately hard hearted people are impervious to this reality, and will say we are
anti-Christ, pouring guilt on sinners, so condemning them to reject Christ, when all
they need to do is accept Christ, without repentance, and they will be saved.
This is apostacy, a turning away from righteousness and purity, walking in the ways
of the world and compromising spiritual realities.
Legalists and those under the law will always feel condemnation, it is the ministry
of the Holy Spirit. Only those washed and purified will ever feel release, because the
Holy Spirit will testify with their spirit they they have been washed and purified.
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14
If we rise in rebellion against love, then we know we need to repent, because we are
rising up against God himself.
To know Christ is to know resolution within. But what is being declared by some, is
though they have no resolution, they know Christ and I do not. But the scriptures
already declare this is wrong. We know we know Christ when we love.
And we need forgiveness, healing and purification to get to this state.
But people walk in real unbelief, because though they claim God can change them,
they refuse to admit this is the sign of a true movement of God within.
Because it has not happened to them, this is a denial of where they stand.
But here is the spiritual paradox. Will we humble ourselves before the cross when
faced with our own sin and rebellion or continue in it, claiming this is the wisdom
of God.
The Kingdom of God is a place of choice, not force.
Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
James 4:10
How long will you refuse to humble yourself before me? Let my people go, so that they may worship me.
Exodus 10:3
For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Matt 23:12
Dear Lord, forgive us when we sin. We repent of our sin, and commit ourselves to
walk in your ways, to live by the Spirit, to learn your love and victory in our lives
through your word. We thank you for the cross, and reach out in faith for healing
of our hearts of the hurts and pain that bind us, and help us to open up and learn
how to love those around us, Amen.
i apologize for taking so long to reply , i had a family emergency to attend to . i tried to reply to the other post you responded to me with but for some reason i cant break up my reply to separate the different quotes so i can reply individually .. do you know what im doing wrong by chance ? i dont understand it since i was able to reply before by separating certain quotes . do you understand what i mean ? there is alot in that other post i would like to respond to because some of it gets to the heart of how osas isnt true (and yes i know you would rather say "eternal security" but that is not a term i wouldnt use for many reasons which i will clear up if im able to figure out how to respond to that post the way i want to.. lol) .
as far as the above , yes that is the post i was referring to . im glad you were able to find it , especially since im having such a hard time responding .. lol
as far as your question about whether i believe immersion by water in necessary to be "saved" goes . i do believe thats a subject for another thread however i will briefly reply to it .
i do believe water baptism is necessary as long as you are able to do it . the thief on the cross wasnt able to do it but i believe fulfilled the list i posted and was justified by his actions .(if you want me to explain how i will but still believe that is a discussion for another thread) am i saying that someone who is not baptised with water cant be saved ? no im not , thats up to the lord to decide that .
however, i do believe there is plenty of evidence that suggests that water baptism is necessary . i believe that simply believing that having faith in the lord is all that you need to do is a minimalist approach to salvation since there are plenty of scriptures that suggest there is more to it than that . i see people quote john 3:16 that implies simply believing in christ is enough but they never quote verses like john 3:5 that says we need to be born of water and spirit to be saved.
1peter3:20-21 , john3:5 , mark16:16 are some verses that say water is necessary just to name a few .
the lord commanded us to get baptized with water , and he himself was baptized with water . so i believe that it is important to our salvation and should be done if we are able .
i will quote something from albert barnes because i believe he says what im thinking better than i do .. lol
"It is worthy of remark that Jesus has made “baptism” of so much importance. He did not say, indeed, that a man could not be saved without baptism, but he has strongly implied that where this is neglected “knowing it to be a command of the Saviour,” it endangers the salvation of the soul. Faith and baptism are the beginnings of a Christian life: the one the beginning of piety in the soul, the other of its manifestation before men or of a profession, of religion."
in my opinion , this doesnt even need to be discussed for me to get my point across about osas not being true . just saying
i hope you understood what i was saying in the beginning about not being able to break up the replies on that other thread though , i really want to respond to a few things you said but for some reason im having problems isolating different replies . ive done it before so i dont know why i cant now ! lol
anyway , any help with that would be appreciated , and i apologize again for taking so long to reply ! god bless !
as far as the above , yes that is the post i was referring to . im glad you were able to find it , especially since im having such a hard time responding .. lol
as far as your question about whether i believe immersion by water in necessary to be "saved" goes . i do believe thats a subject for another thread however i will briefly reply to it .
i do believe water baptism is necessary as long as you are able to do it . the thief on the cross wasnt able to do it but i believe fulfilled the list i posted and was justified by his actions .(if you want me to explain how i will but still believe that is a discussion for another thread) am i saying that someone who is not baptised with water cant be saved ? no im not , thats up to the lord to decide that .
however, i do believe there is plenty of evidence that suggests that water baptism is necessary . i believe that simply believing that having faith in the lord is all that you need to do is a minimalist approach to salvation since there are plenty of scriptures that suggest there is more to it than that . i see people quote john 3:16 that implies simply believing in christ is enough but they never quote verses like john 3:5 that says we need to be born of water and spirit to be saved.
1peter3:20-21 , john3:5 , mark16:16 are some verses that say water is necessary just to name a few .
the lord commanded us to get baptized with water , and he himself was baptized with water . so i believe that it is important to our salvation and should be done if we are able .
i will quote something from albert barnes because i believe he says what im thinking better than i do .. lol
"It is worthy of remark that Jesus has made “baptism” of so much importance. He did not say, indeed, that a man could not be saved without baptism, but he has strongly implied that where this is neglected “knowing it to be a command of the Saviour,” it endangers the salvation of the soul. Faith and baptism are the beginnings of a Christian life: the one the beginning of piety in the soul, the other of its manifestation before men or of a profession, of religion."
in my opinion , this doesnt even need to be discussed for me to get my point across about osas not being true . just saying
i hope you understood what i was saying in the beginning about not being able to break up the replies on that other thread though , i really want to respond to a few things you said but for some reason im having problems isolating different replies . ive done it before so i dont know why i cant now ! lol
anyway , any help with that would be appreciated , and i apologize again for taking so long to reply ! god bless !