Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004

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eternally-gratefull

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We ARE under Jesus' Law.
Made possible to obey by Grace and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Mathew 5:16
"Let your light shine before men that they may see your good works.."

(Jesus speaking)


Matthew 5:17-20 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [a]the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever [c]keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."

(Jesus speaking)



Matthew 22:37-39 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and [a]foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

(Jesus speaking)

These two commandments cover all the Others.

Mathew 22:39
is not well understood by some on these threads...
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Jesus law is the law of moses plus...

We are under no law. Any law we may be under would condemn us on the spot.

That is why we are under grace. Why do you insist on trying to save yourself? I do not get it I honestly do not.
 
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For God so loved the world,
that He gave His only begotten son
That whosoever BELIEVETH in Him (present tense, NOW)
Should not perish, but have everlasting life. (the life in the Kingdom, that BEGINS here on earth).
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Good post, good message.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Aorist.
Purpose clause.

If one were not an English Professor
and Koinè Greek Professor

HOW could he ever read the bible and come to a salvific understanding of it?????

When one wants to twists God's words around, he ALWAYS refers to the Greek.
There's no other way
SINCE THE ENGLISH IS SO PLAIN TO UNDERSTAND.

No. Some must make scripture mean what THEY WANT it to mean.

BUT IT STILL MEANS WHAT IT DOES, not what they WISH it to.
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The english is very plain, It is actually a very weak language. and can easily be misunderstood, because it has open words wiht many different meanings.

That is why God used the greek not the english language. One word in the English could have many meaning, Example. Love, one english word to translate 4 greek words. all with different meanings

The english languages also does not have aroist or perfect tense words. So it is limited in how it can try to properly interpret a greek text wiht those words in a "word for word" context. which most bibles use.

You brought up that the word believe was present tense. I shows you you were wrong. it ids aorist tense. Which has a different meaning that present tense.

 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Jesus law is the law of moses plus...

We are under no law. Any law we may be under would condemn us on the spot.

That is why we are under grace. Why do you insist on trying to save yourself? I do not get it I honestly do not.
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Then don't read it, she had a good post.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

The english is very plain, It is actually a very weak language. and can easily be misunderstood, because it has open words wiht many different meanings.

That is why God used the greek not the english language. One word in the English could have many meaning, Example. Love, one english word to translate 4 greek words. all with different meanings

The english languages also does not have aroist or perfect tense words. So it is limited in how it can try to properly interpret a greek text wiht those words in a "word for word" context. which most bibles use.

You brought up that the word believe was present tense. I shows you you were wrong. it ids aorist tense. Which has a different meaning that present tense.

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God uses any language, marble head.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Then don't read it, she had a good post.
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dude, I do not know what you main problem is, but stop it.. Your responses are useless. and are at most divisive,,

I did read it..
 
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wsblind

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FranC said:
Aorist.
Purpose clause.

If one were not an English Professor
and Koinè Greek Professor

HOW could he ever read the bible and come to a salvific understanding of it?????

When one wants to twists God's words around, he ALWAYS refers to the Greek.
There's no other way
SINCE THE ENGLISH IS SO PLAIN TO UNDERSTAND.

No. Some must make scripture mean what THEY WANT it to mean.

BUT IT STILL MEANS WHAT IT DOES, not what they WISH it to.
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So please stop using the present tense of believe in purpose clauses. The way you are using it is dishonest or ignorant.
 
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wsblind said:
John 3:16 is a purpose clause. "that" introduces the purpose of God sending Son. In this present day and age anyone ho believes Will be saved. It is not describing an individual who dos or does not presently believe.

The present purpose of God sending His Son to us is to save those who believe.

It is why you see the Aorist tense when describing a specific individual and their salvation. the moment they believe in Gods present purpose of sending His Son(John 3:16) they are FOREVER saved. Acts 16:31. They will NOT perish.

Its biblically and academically wrong to use the purpose clause and present tense of believe to teach whether or not someone is "presently" saved.
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Thats right. The moment we believe, in that present moment, we are now saved.
 
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No bible is translated word by word.
I speak 3 languages and I can assure you that this would not make any sense.

The bible is translated by concept and ideal.
It must be read as a Whole book.
The N.T. is an entire concept. It CANNOT be broken up into verses.
You know as well as I do that anything can be proven by applying verses to fit what I WANT.

That's not how it works. Each verse must survive exegesis. Exegesis requires that one know the history of a verse and how words were used BACK IN JESUS' day.

No need to know Koinè Greek, unless it's to understand something on a deeper level.
Salvation is plain and simple and it's not required to know on a very deep level.


FATITH SAVES.
FAITH CONTINUES TO SAVE.
GOD DOES NOT CHANGE HIS MIND to suit the needs of those who would like to think that they are saved forever NO MATTER WHAT.

What is it about this idea that frightens you so???
 
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eternally-gratefull

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BeyondET said:
I see your action, you been harping on her, thus I'll watch you for awhile.
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whatever dude, All I have been doing is giving my take on what I believe, that is called a discussion. You do realise we are in a bible discussion forum right? Not a do as I say or believe as I believe forum?

Keep it up..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Of course.
Who said NO???

And as long as you keep believing, you will be saved.
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Where does it say this??

Where does it say that a person is condemned if they at one time had faith, then stopped believing?

John 3 says he who does not believe is condemned already.. It does not say one who believed, then stopped believing becomes condemned again.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
whatever dude, All I have been doing is giving my take on what I believe, that is called a discussion. You do realise we are in a bible discussion forum right? Not a do as I say or believe as I believe forum?

Keep it up..
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Keep what up homs
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Where does it say this??

Where does it say that a person is condemned if they at one time had faith, then stopped believing?

John 3 says he who does not believe is condemned already.. It does not say one who believed, then stopped believing becomes condemned again.
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Your playing a game of twister with people words. You take make joy in that don't you.
 
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FranC said:
Of course.
Who said NO???

And as long as you keep believing, you will be saved.
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There's a reason we are saved in that present moment, when we believe. Something happens right? (John 5:24)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Jesus law is the law of moses plus...

We are under no law. Any law we may be under would condemn us on the spot.

That is why we are under grace. Why do you insist on trying to save yourself? I do not get it I honestly do not.
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ummm.

Did I ever hang on a cross to save mankind?

NO.

So what are you talking about???
 
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