RE: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

[DanD]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

You promote polygamy but say it does not include having sexual
relations with others? Just how stupid do you think people are?

That is not what I said, and you know it. You are trying to use deception to promote your legalistic point of view.

 

[Chokmahiel]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

Priests and Kings.

Did I say Paul said that, or did I ask you a question; if according to The Bible we are priests and kings in God thanks to Jesus?

I believe you said that Bible does not say that we are kings and so I also told you that this is found in the Book of Revelation, which is written by the Holy Apostle John.

Do you believe the Holy Apostle John and the Holy Apostle Paul were taught by the same Holy Spirit?

 

[kaylagrl]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

Then your husband should not be a polygamist. No one should be forced to accept a new wife, especially since in the Western culture, you married with the expectation that your husband would solely belong to you. If your husband does desire a second wife, it would be wise for him to inform you, but refrain from acting on it, at least until you came to understand the benefits of having a sister wife. How much polygamy is exploiting, is irrelevant. We should all be opposed to exploitation. This is where the FLDS groups and Islam goes awry when it comes to polygamy. There is no "Godhood" to be achieved by polygamy, and a husband should never impose his will in this matter.

Yes,it would be very wise for him to refrain from it. My husband does not need nor want another wife. He made a commitment to me,as I did him. There are no benefits to a "sister" wife. And other than being completely selfish, I cannot understand why a man would want more than one wife. How could anyone make love to his wife,leave her alone and go sleep with another woman. The only woman that would accept that would be one brainwashed to believe its right.

 

[DanD]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

Of course women (and girls) were forced into it. And they still are.

Mohammed married a six year old.

And I oppose that, as should all Christians.

 

[DanD]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

Did I say Paul said that, or did I ask you a question; if according to The Bible we are priests and kings in God thanks to Jesus?

I believe you said that Bible does not say that we are kings and so I also told you that this is found in the Book of Revelation, which is written by the Holy Apostle John.

Do you believe the Holy Apostle John and the Holy Apostle Paul were taught by the same Holy Spirit?

I already pointed out the flaw in your logic.

 

[Magenta]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

That is not what I said, and you know it. You are trying to use deception to promote your legalistic point of view.

You twist what everyone says then claim we are putting words in your mouth to try to fool others of what you are saying and then call us legalists because we understand the meaning of Scripture? You are a funny little boy, though you fail to amuse. Do you know any other tricks?

 

[Locutus]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

How about Origamy instead?

 

[Magenta]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

How about Origamy instead?

Paper cuts are painful, but heal faster than a broken heart

 

[kaylagrl]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

No, I am not putting that aside. That is a "Straw Man" argument. Nobody believes that simply because the Bile records polygamy occurring, that God approves of it. The full argument is that when it occurs, it is never rebuked. There may not seem to be a positive result, but that is only if you interpret Scripture using Eisegesis. I and many others have already pointed out many examples where nothing bad resulted from polygamy. In fact, good resulted from polygamous marriages. The prophet Samuel was born from a polygamous marriage. Jacob had 12 sons born from his four wives, whom we know are the patriarchs of the twelve tribes whose names are written on the gates of the walls of the New Jerusalem, which is referred to as the Bride of the Lamb.

I am not forcing my wife to accept polygamy. We can disagree on this matter, so for me, for the time being, this topic is purely academic.

Having multiple wives, would mean that the single women out there, who are unable to find a Christian single man, would not be going out into the world, attempting to carry on with Missionary Dating, or even compromising on what Paul spoke of in II Corinthians 6:14, which is all too prevalent right now. Children would be growing up in homes, where all the parents are a godly influence on them, not just the mother. Children would not be growing up into adulthood, and abandoning the faith. Wouldn't you agree that all these things would benefit the church family?

Whether you wish to practice polygamy or not, is not the real question. The real question is how you would treat anyone who enters your church that does not see things the way you do, in this matter. What if that family you have been watching on TV, decided to check out a Bible believing church? Would you give them the cold shoulder, or give them cold stares, or would you befriend them as Christ would, and attempt to show them how much Christ loved them, and that He offers them eternal life, through faith in Him?

Would you not rather a man fulfill his lusts through his marriages, rather than going outside his marriage?

Quote "Having multiple wives, would mean that the single women out there, who are unable to find a Christian single man, would not be going out into the world, attempting to carry on with Missionary Dating, or even compromising on what Paul spoke of in II Corinthians 6:14, which is all too prevalent right now. Children would be growing up in homes, where all the parents are a godly influence on them, not just the mother. Children would not be growing up into adulthood, and abandoning the faith. Wouldn't you agree that all these things would benefit the church family?"


So you're doing as a service,for the single ladies huh. I think there are enough single Christian men out there to cover the field.No missionary dating is needed. Children grow up just fine with two Christian parents.If you watch the tv show Sister Wives,one of their girls just confessed she is gay.Sort of throws your theory out the window.


Quote "Whether you wish to practice polygamy or not, is not the real question. The real question is how you would treat anyone who enters your church that does not see things the way you do, in this matter. What if that family you have been watching on TV, decided to check out a Bible believing church? Would you give them the cold shoulder, or give them cold stares, or would you befriend them as Christ would, and attempt to show them how much Christ loved them, and that He offers them eternal life, through faith in Him?"


I'd treat them the same way Id treat a gay couple that came to my church. Accepting of them but not their lifestyle.I wouldn't hide that I disagreed with them but that doesn't mean Id dislike them as people. Whats your point exactly?

Quote"Would you not rather a man fulfill his lusts through his marriages, rather than going outside his marriage?"

Bingo! Now the rubber hits the road! Lust! And that has to be the most ridiculous,absurd and obnoxious comment Ive heard around here in a long time.And thats sayin something. Marriage isn't about lust,its about love,its about intimacy and wanting to please your partner.Its isn't about a man fulfilling his lusts.smh I cant get over that comment. Very selfish and immature for someone your age.

 

[Magenta]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

The truth of the matter is that Scripture plainly and explicitly tells men to be faithful to the wife of their youth. Being faithful cannot in any way be twisted to include running off to find a second third and fourth women to share the marriage bed. God makes this abundantly plain by using marital infidelity as an analogy for idolatry again and again. Idolatry, which God abhors. Idolatry, which is severely punished. Pretending this is not so does not make it so. Polygamy is not supported by Scripture in any way shape or form.

 

[Chokmahiel]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

I already pointed out the flaw in your logic.

You said we are not leaders in the church, so therefore I ask, if we are priests and kings of God, are we not leaders in the church?

You said it is poor logic. I asked why it is poor logic?

You claim it is a false teaching and disjointed. So to accommodate you I ask you and ask you again, but yet have to receive an answer: What example does it set?

Now you said that polygamy sets the example of following the teachings of Christ. So I asked how does it follow the teachings of Christ? You said it doesn't. So therefore I ask if it doesn't, what example does it set?

You asked what am I asking that you have not all ready answered. So I asked again because you have not really given me a straight answer, and said why I ask. You said I put words in your mouth or omit them. I asked if your words are your words and so I showed you and reasoned with you why I ask what I ask based on your response and asked which of the response you hold to. You say you hold that it doesn't set the example of following Christ's teaching. Therefore I ask again; what example does it then set?

Then you falsely accuse me of dishonest tactics to further my point of view. I ask what you believe to be my point of view? You say Paul's admonition. I ask if it is Paul's admonition, is it really my point of view? You say I am putting words in Paul's mouth. I asked what words have I put in Paul's mouth? You say that we are kings and priests. I ask whether Paul said that, or if I asked you a question, and then recapped what we have previously said. You say you have pointed out the flaw in my logic, therefore I recap it all to show you my logic.

Let me also add, for I perceive you may be conflating me with these here that be insulting you quite personally and without valid reason. I am not dishonestly asking you anything, nor presuming you to be a polygamist or interested in cheating on your wife. I believe as you have said it is a purely academic topic, and so this is why I have asked you questions of an academic nature and have referenced Scriptures pertaining to the academic topic.

 

[kaylagrl]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

I would like to add, that I hope for your sake, that your husband does not decide to address his lust outside of your marriage. My worship pastor from my previous (mega)church abandoned his wife, for another woman. She is a very attractive woman with a beautiful singing voice, but that did not keep his feet from straying.

Quote "I hope for your sake, that your husband does not decide to address his lust outside of your marriage."

And I hope for your wifes sake she moves on and finds a mature man,as I have,that knows the difference between love and lust. If your wife cant fulfill you sexually you need to seek help as a couple. Intimacy from love lasts a lifetime. Sounds like you need to learn the difference between the two.


Quote "My worship pastor from my previous (mega)church abandoned his wife, for another woman. She is a very attractive woman with a beautiful singing voice, but that did not keep his feet from straying."

Of course it didn't keep him from straying. You said so yourself,its about lust. Her beauty and talent doesn't matter.

 

[Locutus]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh.

Wife - singular not plural in the Greek text..

Twain - two not three or more in the Greek text.

.....

 

[Chokmahiel]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

Quote "I hope for your sake, that your husband does not decide to address his lust outside of your marriage."

And I hope for your wifes sake she moves on and finds a mature man,as I have,that knows the difference between love and lust. If your wife cant fulfill you sexually you need to seek help as a couple. Intimacy from love lasts a lifetime. Sounds like you need to learn the difference between the two.

Kind of a terrible thing to wish upon someone. You and Magenta should un-like my post, because that last paragraph is about you two. I ask him what I have asked and say the things I have said because I believe he is asking genuinely for an academic discussion on the topic. If it were possible I would nullify your reputation point, because I do not agree with your accusations against this man.

 

[Magenta]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

Kind of a terrible thing to wish upon someone. You and Magenta should un-like my post, because that last paragraph is about you two. I ask him what I have asked and say the things I have said because I believe he is asking genuinely for an academic discussion on the topic. If it were possible I would nullify your reputation point, because I do not agree with your accusations against this man.

"You asked what am I asking that you have not all ready answered. So I asked again because you have not really given me a straight answer, and said why I ask. You said I put words in your mouth or omit them. I asked if your words are your words and so I showed you and reasoned with you why I ask what I ask based on your response and asked which of the response you hold to. You say you hold that it doesn't set the example of following Christ's teaching. Therefore I ask again; what example does it then set?

Then you falsely accuse me of dishonest tactics to further my point of view. I ask what you believe to be my point of view? You say Paul's admonition. I ask if it is Paul's admonition, is it really my point of view? You say I am putting words in Paul's mouth. I asked what words have I put in Paul's mouth? You say that we are kings and priests. I ask whether Paul said that, or if I asked you a question, and then recapped what we have previously said. You say you have pointed out the flaw in my logic, therefore I recap it all to show you my logic."

You yourself have claimed he is dishonest.

 

[Locutus]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

I think choko is a reincarnation of Jack....

 

[Chokmahiel]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

"You asked what am I asking that you have not all ready answered. So I asked again because you have not really given me a straight answer, and said why I ask. You said I put words in your mouth or omit them. I asked if your words are your words and so I showed you and reasoned with you why I ask what I ask based on your response and asked which of the response you hold to. You say you hold that it doesn't set the example of following Christ's teaching. Therefore I ask again; what example does it then set?

Then you falsely accuse me of dishonest tactics to further my point of view. I ask what you believe to be my point of view? You say Paul's admonition. I ask if it is Paul's admonition, is it really my point of view? You say I am putting words in Paul's mouth. I asked what words have I put in Paul's mouth? You say that we are kings and priests. I ask whether Paul said that, or if I asked you a question, and then recapped what we have previously said. You say you have pointed out the flaw in my logic, therefore I recap it all to show you my logic."

You yourself have claimed he is dishonest.

Nay I did not claim he was dishonest. I said that he falsely accused me of being dishonest. The accusation is false because I am not being dishonest. And so the reasoning of me asking what he believe is my point of view, so that I may clarify for him.

Now you have said he has a proclivity to promiscuity. Why do you say that?

 

[Magenta]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

We insult him to call him out on his dishonesty? Well, I guess to be called dishonest is insulting, but then you do it and pretend you are better than we are, because you think you are having an academic discussion by allowing him to jerk you around as he has. You are a funny little boy also.

 

[Chokmahiel]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

I think choko is a reincarnation of Jack....

There is no such thing as reincarnation, nor is my name Jack.

 

[Chokmahiel]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

We insult him to call him out on his dishonesty? Well, I guess to be called dishonest is insulting, but then you do it and pretend you are better than we are, because you think you are having an academic discussion by allowing him to jerk you around as he has. You are a funny little boy also.

You insult him because you say you do not believe he is trying to have an academic conversation on polygamy, but you accuse him falsely that he is promiscuous, and so forth.

I have not called him dishonest, but he accused me falsely of being dishonest, and so I ask him why he thinks this because I believe he is honestly trying to have an academic conversation.