Re: What Would Stop a "Once Saved, Always Saved" Believer From Committing Suicide?
What is sinless perfection? I never promoted such a thing. I promoted the words of John in the Bible. Do you reject John?
John says...
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Do you believe that?
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Do you believe that?
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
How about that one?
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
What about that one? Are the children of God manifest in that they do not sin, because they cannot sin, because His seed remains in them?
It seems pretty clear to me.
Notice how not a single person wants to touch those scriptures. Instead people just ignore it and utilise straw man terms.
1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
Suicide is not a fruit of having the love of God perfected in us. Suicide is a fruit of the devil.
The fruit of the Spirit is...
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Murder is a fruit of the flesh...
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If one lives after the flesh they will die, but if one through the Spirit mortifies the deeds of the body then they will live.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
A person who kills themselves is most certainly not mortifying the deeds of their body, they are engaging in a carnal act of rebellion towards God, the one whom gifted them life.
It's not about "comfort in numbers". It's about comfort in Christ. Who He is and what He has done for me.
Sinless perfectionists have no truth in them. Just harsh condemnation and nary a speck of love.
Sinless perfectionists have no truth in them. Just harsh condemnation and nary a speck of love.
John says...
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Do you believe that?
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Do you believe that?
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
How about that one?
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
What about that one? Are the children of God manifest in that they do not sin, because they cannot sin, because His seed remains in them?
It seems pretty clear to me.
Notice how not a single person wants to touch those scriptures. Instead people just ignore it and utilise straw man terms.
1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
Suicide is not a fruit of having the love of God perfected in us. Suicide is a fruit of the devil.
The fruit of the Spirit is...
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Murder is a fruit of the flesh...
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If one lives after the flesh they will die, but if one through the Spirit mortifies the deeds of the body then they will live.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
A person who kills themselves is most certainly not mortifying the deeds of their body, they are engaging in a carnal act of rebellion towards God, the one whom gifted them life.
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