Quitting coffee

[JosephsDreams]

Even us ignorant ones who ought to know better?

I don't know your background. But not everyone is as focused on the flesh, the body as you are. Some of us have time and budget constraints. We exercise. We eat good foods, but we also eat foods you would certainly prohibit. Not all of us are highly educated as you are.

You've answered my question. Had I known, I would never have enquired.

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you. Genesis 9.3. That's God speaking.

I am not focused on the flesh as in pleasure. if that is what you mean
This is my career.
A lot of people are thankful I have helped them.
Your typical of many around here.
I ask you a question regarding Genesis 1:29 and you ignore it, because you have no reasonable reply, and just keep repeating your quote from a later day in the bible.

 

[TraySir]

Are you at all familiar with Genesis 1:29?
The ideal diet for us, before we got thrown out of the garden.

'That was God speaking.

Our bodies have not changed since then you know.

So why do you think that is no longer valid?

I'll take God's word before yours any day. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you. Genesis 9.3. That's God speaking.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Glad you got a laugh out of it.
Now how about supporting your claims.
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you. Genesis 9.3. That's God speaking.

You sound like a parrot.
How about answering me directly.
I answered this quite a few posts back.

 

[TraySir]

I am not focused on the flesh as in pleasure. if that is what you mean
This is my career.
A lot of people are thankful I have helped them.
Your typical of many around here.
I ask you a question regarding Genesis 1:29 and you ignore it, because you have no reasonable reply, and just keep repeating your quote from a later day in the bible.

You are so focused on the flesh.
If this is the "typical", maybe you ought to think about your tone.
Start supporting your claims.
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you. Genesis 9.3. That's God speaking.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Can you answer the question or not? You made an assertion and I asked how you knew we have not physically changed since the garden of Eden. If you cannot answer, you could simply say so.

If God has changed us fundamentally then the diet in Genesis 1:29 would not work. It does.
There is a direct and conclusive reason why He has not.

Now please answer me. Or ignore me without a direct reply.

 

[tourist]

Are you at all familiar with Genesis 1:29?
The ideal diet for us, before we got thrown out of the garden.

'That was God speaking.

Our bodies have not changed since then you know.

So why do you think that is no longer valid?

Gen 1:29
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."

I believe that the coffee bean is a fruit. If everyone in the US stopped drinking coffee all of the coffee producing areas in the third world would be out of business. For many this is their only cash crop that provides the money to shelter and feed families.

Gen 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Since God does not change there must be a reason that He now included meat in the human diet after the flood in Noah's time. Why was man encouraged to eat meat after the flood but not before? Perhaps the human body changed due to the fall of man and other types of food was now necessary to maintain a healthy diet.

 

[TraySir]

You sound like a parrot.
How about answering me directly.
I answered this quite a few posts back.

Must be the coffee.
Your arrogance is showing.
Can you support your claims and all the instruction you give about diets.
If you really cared, you would sound like you care.

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you. Genesis 9.3. That's God speaking.
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[JosephsDreams]

You are so focused on the flesh.
If this is the "typical", maybe you ought to think about your tone.
Start supporting your claims.
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you. Genesis 9.3. That's God speaking.

I did answer you. You just do not like my reply and can not refute it.
So no sense in me "talking" to you anymore.
Your just confused or being obstinate.

 

[TraySir]

Gen 1:29
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."

I believe that the coffee bean is a fruit. If everyone in the US stopped drinking coffee all of the coffee producing areas in the third world would be out of business. For many this is their only cash crop that provides the money to shelter and feed families.

Gen 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Since God does not change there must be a reason that He now included meat in the human diet after the flood in Noah's time. Why was man encouraged to eat meat after the flood but not before. Perhaps the human body changed due to the fall of man and other types of food was now necessary to maintain a healthy diet.

My opinion, It appears Adam and the animals were not a threat to each other. Seems that they were able to live together. After sin, things change. After the flood, man can kill and eat.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Gen 1:29
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."

I believe that the coffee bean is a fruit. If everyone in the US stopped drinking coffee all of the coffee producing areas in the third world would be out of business. For many this is their only cash crop that provides the money to shelter and feed families.

Gen 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Since God does not change there must be a reason that He now included meat in the human diet after the flood in Noah's time. Why was man encouraged to eat meat after the flood but not before? Perhaps the human body changed due to the fall of man and other types of food was now necessary to maintain a healthy diet.

Coffee is a seed, although it is commonly called a bean.

As far as people making a living, your expanding the conversation into another area.
Which is fine.
But the world economy is not my focus here.

 

[JosephsDreams]

My opinion, It appears Adam and the animals were not a threat to each other. Seems that they were able to live together. After sin, things change. After the flood, man can kill and eat.

It was a concession by God to allow us to kill animals and eat them.
It was not intended for our lifestyle and diet for many reasons.

It is not conductive to a higher level of cellular health.

Do some research and think it through.

 

[blue_ladybug]

What do you mean, our bodies haven't changed since before the fall? Of course they have. They are no longer immortal, are prone to sickness, etc. So if God gave us ALL plants, including cocoa beans and coffee beans, they must be fit for consumption, in moderation..

Are you at all familiar with Genesis 1:29?
The ideal diet for us, before we got thrown out of the garden.

'That was God speaking.

Our bodies have not changed since then you know.

So why do you think that is no longer valid?

 

[TraySir]

I did answer you. You just do not like my reply and can not refute it.
So no sense in me "talking" to you anymore.
Your just confused or being obstinate.

Common tactic. Most readers recognize it for what is: He didn't answer.

And here's the verse again: Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you. Genesis 9.3. That's God speaking.

Support you diet recommendations. Oh, but we should take you at your word.

 

[tourist]

It was a concession by God to allow us to kill animals and eat them.
It was not intended for our lifestyle and diet for many reasons.

It is not conductive to a higher level of cellular health.

Do some research and think it through.

Why would God encourage man to eat something that is harmful to their bodies? Since when does God make concessions to the man that He created? Moses may have made concessions to those he was leading but not God. God changes not.

 

[TraySir]

It was a concession by God to allow us to kill animals and eat them.
It was not intended for our lifestyle and diet for many reasons.

It is not conductive to a higher level of cellular health.

Do some research and think it through.

More unsupported claims.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Unfortunately, what is going on here, as I have frequently seen on this site, and as is human nature, people do not like top be informed that something they may be doing is destructive in some way.

They want to stay in there comfort zones and hold onto to their pleasurable comfy beliefs for dear life.

They do not want to look below the surface at the deep facts and resent someone else telling them they have believed a lie, have been deceived, or are wrong.

Food and pleasure is especially a sensitive area. No one likes to be told they addicted, or that they have low self control with certain things, or that they are responsible for their health, rather then their doctor.

If people actually believed that coffee were not good, they would be faced with a decision most of them could not do.

God forbid anyone in this its all good society tell someone else that what they are doing may have negative consequences.

We should only be unconditionally supportive, just like the world tells us we should be. You know, your valuable and same gender sex is okay, so do not let anyone tell you different. Just tell them they are haters and don't understand you.

 

[JosephsDreams]

What do you mean, our bodies haven't changed since before the fall? Of course they have. They are no longer immortal, are prone to sickness, etc. So if God gave us ALL plants, including cocoa beans and coffee beans, they must be fit for consumption, in moderation..

Go eat poison ivory then....

 

[blue_ladybug]

That's the problem in a nutshell. According to YOUR lifestyle plan. Not everyone eats what you eat, nor do they want to. And you can't force them to. Give advice and let US choose whether to take it or not, instead of condemning us for eating chocolate or pizza, or drinking coffee and soda. And stop calling us ignorant of what the scriptures say regarding food. It just makes you sound very condescending, judgemental and arrogant. We ALL know that you're a nutritionist and are knowledgeable on the subject, BUT you need to stop acting so pushy about how and what other people should eat and drink, and let THEM make those decisions for themselves. I appreciate all the advice you've given me lately, but you're nuts if you think I'm gonna start eating funky stuff like blue-green algae, or wheatgrass or whatever.. I may take it as a pill, but I refuse to eat it as a food. LOL

I have heard that verse a thousand times from Christians !
All that is God giving us a concession of what we were already doing.
The optimal diet has no animal products in it.
God created all things. In the garden we were not eating animals.
Read Isaiah, we will one day be at peace with them again.
It is not Gods desire that we want to eat animals.

Although if you eat a small amount of free range animals you can still have a healthy diet, if done correctly,according to my lifestyle plan.
See my recent post in this forum on the general info thread.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Go eat poison ivory then....

You eat only moderately good foods then expect moderate health.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Why would God encourage man to eat something that is harmful to their bodies? Since when does God make concessions to the man that He created? Moses may have made concessions to those he was leading but not God. God changes not.

Are you listening to me?
He did not encourage us.
It was concession.