Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

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Zmouth

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And you realize, of course, that you have misinterpreted John 3:13 - because Jesus (identifying Himself as the Son of Man here) is, in fact, declaring that He did descend from Heaven, and that means that your interpretation of John 20:17 is incorrect.
Maybe, or maybe when it says in John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." that he was talking about him that had ascended up to heaven.

Had Jesus ascended up to heaven at the point? There is no scriptural evidence to support such a conclusion. Yet in the passage Jesus it is written he said , "that no man had ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven." Yet it is written that in Matthew 1:20, " for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

Even in Luke 1:35 it is written, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

I don't know how any more clearer that it could be written that the Holy Ghost is only begotten of the eternal God, and you are right the term 'begotten' does not mean born or created. I am not telling you to believe this or believe that but since you pointed out the fact that begotten doesn't mean born or created, I thought I was show you some scriptures which make it difficult for me to accept your interpretation.

And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. Matthew 1:16

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise
: Matthew 1:18

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. John 18:37

And the last point being regarding the passage of John 3:13, Jesus referred unto the Son of man who even was in heaven, yet if Jesus was referring unto himself, which is contrary to what is written in John 5:31, "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." then where was he said even the Son of man who was in heaven, on earth or in heaven?
 
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Now the question I asked, could you answer it for me?


why was there a tree of life in the garden
Miknik I'm going to ask you....Why was there a tree in the garden? Actually Two special trees
 
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You followed the conversation, correct?

or are you just jumping in without following the conversation

sir, do you really believe that I owe you a response to any of your questions?

if you would like I could go back to every post where you skirted around the questions asked and list them
abd after you kindly respond to every question in the proper manner of answering a question directly, I will gladly answer you

until then, please do not respond to me
i have nothing to say to you

lol yeah i followed the conversation, it doesnt change the fact that you are making a Jump and a conclusion to whats not actually being said in that comment in saying satan was a covering angel that was supposed to be covering anyone. thats not at all anything you find in the scripture. or do you have any scripture saying so? its odd to me hoe offended some of you get in a conversation when someone doesnt agree with your analogy because its not in scripture.

but im okay with what you have said here, if you wish lets have you hold to that " you have nothing to say to me" it would avoid argument for me. its pretty simple with me, if you have any scripture saying satan was a covering angel, present it and it would actually be acceptable to me, because i see a very clear distinction between scriptural principles, and opinions formed without the basis of scripture. which is probably a good thing given its a Bible discussion forum.
 

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lol yeah i followed the conversation, it doesnt change the fact that you are making a Jump and a conclusion to whats not actually being said in that comment in saying satan was a covering angel that was supposed to be covering anyone. thats not at all anything you find in the scripture. or do you have any scripture saying so? its odd to me hoe offended some of you get in a conversation when someone doesnt agree with your analogy because its not in scripture.

but im okay with what you have said here, if you wish lets have you hold to that " you have nothing to say to me" it would avoid argument for me. its pretty simple with me, if you have any scripture saying satan was a covering angel, present it and it would actually be acceptable to me, because i see a very clear distinction between scriptural principles, and opinions formed without the basis of scripture. which is probably a good thing given its a Bible discussion forum.
We/Adam/mankind created to be "little gods" was a leap and a jump

and pretty close to Satan's lie
 

miknik5

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Genesis 3:5


well?

we did it.

we listened to satan



How did it work out for us?
 

graceNpeace

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Maybe, or maybe when it says in John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." that he was talking about him that had ascended up to heaven.

Had Jesus ascended up to heaven at the point? There is no scriptural evidence to support such a conclusion. Yet in the passage Jesus it is written he said , "that no man had ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven." Yet it is written that in Matthew 1:20, " for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

Even in Luke 1:35 it is written, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

I don't know how any more clearer that it could be written that the Holy Ghost is only begotten of the eternal God, and you are right the term 'begotten' does not mean born or created. I am not telling you to believe this or believe that but since you pointed out the fact that begotten doesn't mean born or created, I thought I was show you some scriptures which make it difficult for me to accept your interpretation.

And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. Matthew 1:16

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise
: Matthew 1:18

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. John 18:37

And the last point being regarding the passage of John 3:13, Jesus referred unto the Son of man who even was in heaven, yet if Jesus was referring unto himself, which is contrary to what is written in John 5:31, "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." then where was he said even the Son of man who was in heaven, on earth or in heaven?
Jesus did not need to ascend to heaven to make the point that He was making.
He came from heaven originally - as I pointed out in excruciating detail.
 

miknik5

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Miknik I'm going to ask you....Why was there a tree in the garden? Actually Two special trees
Because GOD who can see one day as a thousand years already knew mankind's fall

but more importantly knew the victory in HIS SON

THE WAY to the TREE of LIFE was blocked


...until the fullness of time would come and THE WAY back revealed


Some will hear and believe and obey

some won't
 
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We/Adam/mankind created to be "little gods" was a leap and a jump

and pretty close to Satan's lie

psalm 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

who said this? did the Word of God come to mankind?

john 10:34-36 "
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?


are you unaware what that is saying? and that its not a jumpo at all, its simply knowing what is written and what God has said. whats there in the word of God, is there. what isnt there is a jump....Like saying satan was covering adam and eve, thats nowhere to be found in scripture.........

so did I say something or does scripture say something that you dont agree with?

who do you suppose Jesus is talking about there? but those to whom the Word of God came?

who is the scripture saying " I have called you gods" yet you will die like men? do you not understand the fall of man os what made Him mortal? and that beforehand he had every right to eat of the tree of Life and live forever? thats there in scripture as well. its no jump at all to believe whats actually written, its a jump when you are insisting on what isnt written. like " satan was covering adam and eve in the garden, thats a jump.



 
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Because GOD who can see one day as a thousand years already knew mankind's fall

but more importantly knew the victory in HIS SON

THE WAY to the TREE of LIFE was blocked


...until the fullness of time would come and THE WAY back revealed


Some will hear and believe and obey

some won't
The way to the tree of life was blocked in the Garden?! Really? Why would the way to the tree of life be blocked but God left the way to the tree of knowledge of good and evil open? That's a foolish answer...Adam and Eve, at that time, were immortal. They ate from the tree of life.
 

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The way to the tree of life was blocked in the Garden?! Really? Why would the way to the tree of life be blocked but God left the way to the tree of knowledge of good and evil open? That's a foolish answer...Adam and Eve, at that time, were immortal. They ate from the tree of life.
This is an assumption with no direct Scriptural support.
 
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This is an assumption with no direct Scriptural support.
There is scriptural support for your silly comment? NOT!!! The tree of life is for immortal children of God. Why would the way be blocked?
 

Zmouth

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Jesus did not need to ascend to heaven to make the point that He was making.
He came from heaven originally - as I pointed out in excruciating detail.
Well of course he didn't need to scend to make the point you trying to make, you are a believer. But he proved the point he was trying to make by his birth.
 

graceNpeace

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There is scriptural support for your silly comment? NOT!!! The tree of life is for immortal children of God. Why would the way be blocked?
I did not say it was blocked.
I did say that there is no Scriptural support for your assertion that Adam and his wife ate from the tree of Life.
 

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Well of course he didn't need to scend to make the point you trying to make, you are a believer. But he proved the point he was trying to make by his birth.
It has nothing to do with me being a believer.
It is simply a matter of understanding the text.
 
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I did not say it was blocked.
I did say that there is no Scriptural support for your assertion that Adam and his wife ate from the tree of Life.
So let me ask you GnP.....What is the tree for? Were Adam and Eve children of God or not? What does the Word say about that? Do some research.
 

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So let me ask you GnP.....What is the tree for? Were Adam and Eve children of God or not? What does the Word say about that? Do some research.
The burden of proof is on you!
Please show me from Genesis chapter's 1-3 where it says that Adam and his wife ate from the tree of Life.
 

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The way to the tree of life was blocked in the Garden?! Really? Why would the way to the tree of life be blocked but God left the way to the tree of knowledge of good and evil open? That's a foolish answer...Adam and Eve, at that time, were immortal. They ate from the tree of life.
No it wasnt
review GOD's WORD
 
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So let me ask you GnP.....What is the tree for? Were Adam and Eve children of God or not? What does the Word say about that? Do some research.
You need to exchange your keyboard for a Bible and your mouth for your two ears.
 

miknik5

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They were immortal. They didn't have to eat from the TREE of LIFE yet it was there even when they were fully alive

Adam and Eve were innocent and perfect and Alive

the tree of life was there and they had full access to that tree

it was after they died by listening to Satan that they were sent out from the garden and the fullness of the glory of the presence of GOD, coveted over in a temporal covering that the way back to the tree of Life was blocked

and mankind would never be able to access the tree of life unless GOD alone provided THE WAY
 

miknik5

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The original question to you was why was there even a tree of LIFE in the garden when Adam and Eve were already fully alive?

and I told you already that it is because GOD already knew our fall from the beginning and still from the abundance of HIS GRACE even in knowing that there would be that day when we would disobey and eat from the tree if jnoeledge wjich we were commanded not to, HE still created us