King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?
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Tyndale translated them as the congregation of believers. It wasn't changed to church until Martin Luther and the Geneva bible. to make things worse they Capitalized it. i will say this though, at least the KJB scholars placed it in its generic form, rather than a proper noun.. The word church comes from the Greek word kirke, from which we get our word circus, it is not even remotely acquainted with the word "ecclesia", but rather it is a complete misstranslation...
This is he that was in the congregation, in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers. This man received the word of life to give unto us,
T
This is he that was in the congregation, in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers. This man received the word of life to give unto us,
T
OK, to put it another way:
If you read in a history book that Columbus discovered the United States of America, Mexico, Cuba etc, I hope you would realise that it was an error.
It might be true to say that Columbus discovered the "New World" or "North America" that subsequently gave rise the political entities now known as the USA, Mexico, Cuba, and the rest, but it is most definitely false to say that Columbus discovered the USA.
In the same it is false to extrapolate a word used in the NT with a specific meaning and then take the English translation of that word and use it in the OT.
Don't mix that up with the reality of OT believers.
If you read in a history book that Columbus discovered the United States of America, Mexico, Cuba etc, I hope you would realise that it was an error.
It might be true to say that Columbus discovered the "New World" or "North America" that subsequently gave rise the political entities now known as the USA, Mexico, Cuba, and the rest, but it is most definitely false to say that Columbus discovered the USA.
In the same it is false to extrapolate a word used in the NT with a specific meaning and then take the English translation of that word and use it in the OT.
Don't mix that up with the reality of OT believers.
Luke 6:2-4 KJV
And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
[3] And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;
[4] How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
David and those with him were not Levitical priests yet they were blameless for eating the shewbread... why?
1 Peter 2:9 KJV
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Because they WERE priests JUST LIKE WE ARE so it was LAWFUL for them to eat the shewbread.
And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
[3] And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;
[4] How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
David and those with him were not Levitical priests yet they were blameless for eating the shewbread... why?
1 Peter 2:9 KJV
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Because they WERE priests JUST LIKE WE ARE so it was LAWFUL for them to eat the shewbread.
What makes you believe the NT church was birthed under the new covenant? The reason I ask is because the bible says that the old covenant does not disannul the new covenant, which is not really new because it was given to Abraham 430 years before the law was given. That's the same covenant we are under. So again, I don't understand how the old testament saints are not the church as the KJV says.
Galatians 3:17 KJV
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Galatians 3:17 KJV
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
W
Let’s examine the Lord’s prayer, which has been butchered in these new-age bibles..It omits the declaration of obedience. Do we really want to be omitting words from the Lord’s prayer, of the which Jesus Himself instructed us to pray in this manner?
KJB
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Tyndale
And he said unto them: When ye pray, say: Our father which art in heaven, hallowed by thy name. Let thy kingdom come. Thy will, be fulfilled, even in earth as it is in heaven.
NIV He said to them, "When you pray, say: " 'Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come.
The Never Inspired Version omits 19 words in this verse alone. Can it be they were trying to conserve on ink and paper perhaps? I don’t think so.
NLT omits 15 words
Jesus said, "This is how you should pray: "Father, may your name be kept holy. May your Kingdom come soon.
ESV omits 18 words
And he said to them, “When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come.
NASB omits 18 words
And He said to them, "When you pray, say: 'Father, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come.
James Strong’s 1901 ASV, omits 18 words, and keep in mind he stated that his mission was to correct the errors in the KJB..
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Father, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
RSV omits 18 words
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Father, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
Noah Webster version, which was before the 1870-80 committee shenanigans gets it right
And he said to them, When ye pray, say, Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.
Douay-Rheims Bible Catholic English bible, omits 18 words; And he said to them: When you pray, say: Father, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
Also notice how similar these other translations are to the Douay-Rheims.
Let’s examine verse 4, which the new-age bibles omit the fact that Jesus delivers us from sin, and not keeps us in our sin.
KJB
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil……… (God is always faithful and provides a way of escape from temptation, 1 Cor. 10-13, Matt. 1-21b)
Tyndale
And forgive us our sins: For even we forgive every man that trespasseth us, and lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil, Amen
NIV by omission denies that the Father can deliver us from sin
Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation.
NLT the same thing
and forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us. And don't let us yield to temptation.
ESV, likewise
and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”
BSB, likewise
And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation.'"
NASB, likewise
'And forgive us our sins, For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.'"
James Strong 1901 ASV, likewise
And forgive us our sins; for we ourselves also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And bring us not into temptation
Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, likewise
And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.
Darby Bible Translation, likewise
and remit us our sins, for we also remit to every one indebted to us; and lead us not into temptation.
Again Noah Webster gets it right whos transaltion was pre 1880 gets it right as does Young's literal translation..
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
So in all these post Westcott & Hort translations which craftily omitted some 23 to 25 words from the Lords’ prayer we can see the error of the wicked..Do we really want to be doing this, especially with something as important as the Lord’s prayer, of which Jesus instructed us to pray?
KJB
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Tyndale
And he said unto them: When ye pray, say: Our father which art in heaven, hallowed by thy name. Let thy kingdom come. Thy will, be fulfilled, even in earth as it is in heaven.
NIV He said to them, "When you pray, say: " 'Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come.
The Never Inspired Version omits 19 words in this verse alone. Can it be they were trying to conserve on ink and paper perhaps? I don’t think so.
NLT omits 15 words
Jesus said, "This is how you should pray: "Father, may your name be kept holy. May your Kingdom come soon.
ESV omits 18 words
And he said to them, “When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come.
NASB omits 18 words
And He said to them, "When you pray, say: 'Father, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come.
James Strong’s 1901 ASV, omits 18 words, and keep in mind he stated that his mission was to correct the errors in the KJB..
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Father, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
RSV omits 18 words
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Father, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
Noah Webster version, which was before the 1870-80 committee shenanigans gets it right
And he said to them, When ye pray, say, Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.
Douay-Rheims Bible Catholic English bible, omits 18 words; And he said to them: When you pray, say: Father, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
Also notice how similar these other translations are to the Douay-Rheims.
Let’s examine verse 4, which the new-age bibles omit the fact that Jesus delivers us from sin, and not keeps us in our sin.
KJB
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil……… (God is always faithful and provides a way of escape from temptation, 1 Cor. 10-13, Matt. 1-21b)
Tyndale
And forgive us our sins: For even we forgive every man that trespasseth us, and lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil, Amen
NIV by omission denies that the Father can deliver us from sin
Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation.
NLT the same thing
and forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us. And don't let us yield to temptation.
ESV, likewise
and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”
BSB, likewise
And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation.'"
NASB, likewise
'And forgive us our sins, For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.'"
James Strong 1901 ASV, likewise
And forgive us our sins; for we ourselves also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And bring us not into temptation
Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, likewise
And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.
Darby Bible Translation, likewise
and remit us our sins, for we also remit to every one indebted to us; and lead us not into temptation.
Again Noah Webster gets it right whos transaltion was pre 1880 gets it right as does Young's literal translation..
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
So in all these post Westcott & Hort translations which craftily omitted some 23 to 25 words from the Lords’ prayer we can see the error of the wicked..Do we really want to be doing this, especially with something as important as the Lord’s prayer, of which Jesus instructed us to pray?
W
You seem to not want to examine the truth,,and also I ask, why do the perversions always compare themselves to the KJB? why not compare themselves to the NIV or whatever?..I am not KJB only, but rather only the 5400 received text from Antioch, "aka" the Bensentine text, or Majority text, the TR. Oh, and you singled yourself out with your wise response, not me..You really are clueless concerning this matter, yet still insist on making lame unqualified opinions..
I agree....with the comparisons, but not the terms in those comparisons. The Church of God are the People or body of Christ, and the assembly of people non-christians, included, in a facility or place of worship as well. The true Body of Christ is what Christ is the head of and where His followers are.
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Acts 7:38 KJV
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Is the group above, the group that Christ was IN, the same as the group below, the group that could not enter into the promised land because of their unbelief.
Hebrews 3:17-19 KJV
But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Is the group above, the group that Christ was IN, the same as the group below, the group that could not enter into the promised land because of their unbelief.
Hebrews 3:17-19 KJV
But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.