King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?
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The fourth is always different.. look at the children who bare the 12 children of Israel... Rachael was the 4th and she's the one Jacob truly loved with all his heart. 
And even if it is so, what value has such knowledge? How does it influence your daily life in being peaceful, joyful, clean, loving neighbour etc?
So... always or you have lets say 5 examples from 1500 pages of the Bible?
And even if it is so, what value has such knowledge? How does it influence your daily life in being peaceful, joyful, clean, loving neighbour etc?
And even if it is so, what value has such knowledge? How does it influence your daily life in being peaceful, joyful, clean, loving neighbour etc?
I am more questioning the meaning of such "games with numbers" when there are much more important things so it seems to be like the lost of time and I still cannot see why it is so important to you
Is it not that because you read only the KJV so many years you got bored by it and so you look for something new in it? Something to make it "alive" for you again?
Is it not that because you read only the KJV so many years you got bored by it and so you look for something new in it?
Something to make it "alive" for you again?
In researching Hebrew, I found that a noun has to either be masculine or feminine. It appears that when you read Exodus 25:31 in the KJV, it is translated incorrectly with the masculine rather than the feminine.
For instance, the KJV translates Exodus 25:31 with the masculine “his” shaft, and “his” branches, “his” bowls, “his” knops, and “his” flowers.
This is a problem for me since it appears that the Hebrew actually contains the feminine “ah” sounding suffix associated with the nouns. It would seem to me that it should actually read “her” shaft, and “her” branches, “her” bowls, “her” knops, and “her” flowers.
Even though I do not speak/write Hebrew, if true, I find it hard to believe that this so called “perfect penmanship” of the KJV scribes could make such an error, if indeed they were under “Divine guidance” and “inerrant inspiration”. Here’s a link to compare the KJV alongside the Hebrew interlinear so you can start the research for yourself.
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo25.pdf
If there are any Hebrew speakers reading this, a confirmation or denial of the KJV’s masculine rendering of Exodus 25:31 being correct or not would be helpful. Thanks.
For instance, the KJV translates Exodus 25:31 with the masculine “his” shaft, and “his” branches, “his” bowls, “his” knops, and “his” flowers.
This is a problem for me since it appears that the Hebrew actually contains the feminine “ah” sounding suffix associated with the nouns. It would seem to me that it should actually read “her” shaft, and “her” branches, “her” bowls, “her” knops, and “her” flowers.
Even though I do not speak/write Hebrew, if true, I find it hard to believe that this so called “perfect penmanship” of the KJV scribes could make such an error, if indeed they were under “Divine guidance” and “inerrant inspiration”. Here’s a link to compare the KJV alongside the Hebrew interlinear so you can start the research for yourself.
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo25.pdf
If there are any Hebrew speakers reading this, a confirmation or denial of the KJV’s masculine rendering of Exodus 25:31 being correct or not would be helpful. Thanks.
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I am more questioning the meaning of such "games with numbers" when there are much more important things so it seems to be like the lost of time and I still cannot see why it is so important to you
I do not know. If you tell me that 4 can mean this or this, because it is used 2 times in this or that way... what does it change for me? Nothing.
If by studying Greek I can for example understand the word Logos better, or see different various meanings of love, hell etc lost in translation, it can deeply influence my views.
If by studying Greek I can for example understand the word Logos better, or see different various meanings of love, hell etc lost in translation, it can deeply influence my views.
KJV...11 - I don't have a problem with your testimony of how it enlivens the meaning of the Word of God to your spirit thru the Holy Spirit. That is wonderful that this connects wonderfully. And that is as important - as it is important to you.
I'll admit that if I only could read (KJV) I would not be lost, separated from God at all. But, I would be a bit slower at reading and understanding it, not that I wouldn't understand it eventually. I absolutely love the depth of color it paints word-pictures; and I trust its accuracy as well. But for me, as I study initially, and give the Word of God to a world that cannot follow that linguistic technique unless they themselves are spiritual themselves, I chose NIV or NASB or many others if need be to make a connection with people. And I have looked in comparison to the KJV and I see no altering of meanings overall. (This is not pertaining to all Scriptural versions however). Therefore, its not about what you delight in, its about the exclusivity of this translation that has us concerned you are stymied in the doctrinal walk, rather than the walk with the person God thru the person of Jesus.
Do you think with the point of view I have on KJV that I have a whole relationship with God myself? Or, that I have one, but just not as fruitful as yours?
I'll admit that if I only could read (KJV) I would not be lost, separated from God at all. But, I would be a bit slower at reading and understanding it, not that I wouldn't understand it eventually. I absolutely love the depth of color it paints word-pictures; and I trust its accuracy as well. But for me, as I study initially, and give the Word of God to a world that cannot follow that linguistic technique unless they themselves are spiritual themselves, I chose NIV or NASB or many others if need be to make a connection with people. And I have looked in comparison to the KJV and I see no altering of meanings overall. (This is not pertaining to all Scriptural versions however). Therefore, its not about what you delight in, its about the exclusivity of this translation that has us concerned you are stymied in the doctrinal walk, rather than the walk with the person God thru the person of Jesus.
Do you think with the point of view I have on KJV that I have a whole relationship with God myself? Or, that I have one, but just not as fruitful as yours?
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Chapter and verse divisions were first added to manuscripts in the 13th Century.
They were entirely a man-made addition.
To claim ANY inspiration in numbers related to how many chapters in this book versus that one or how many verses in a chapter having significance is PURE fantasy.
There is NO special knowledge to be had in any of this...
They were entirely a man-made addition.
To claim ANY inspiration in numbers related to how many chapters in this book versus that one or how many verses in a chapter having significance is PURE fantasy.
There is NO special knowledge to be had in any of this...
I don't know anything about Hebrew but I can tell you that the KJV got it exactly RIGHT! Instead of trying to correct that which is perfect, if you would have counted the number of flowers, knops and bowls... you would have found that there are exactly 66. That candlestick is properly translated "He" because that candlestick is the Word of God.
Of course you have a whole relationship with God. It's easy to see who the true followers of Jesus are, we know them by their fruit - love, joy, peace longsuffering etc. Let me ask you this question though. If you fell in love with say a German speaking woman would you take the time to learn her language? Would your relationship with her be better if you spoke her language?
It took me about 6 months to get comfortable with KJV English, now it's no different than modern English to me.
It took me about 6 months to get comfortable with KJV English, now it's no different than modern English to me.