The Rapture

[VCO]

If someone knows English, but it is not their mother tongue should they still read KJV over their native language bible?

Yet another good question.

I do not read, speak, or understand 1611 King James English very well at all. The KJV ONLY PEOPLE ALREADY CHANGED THE 1611 KJV, and even it is hard to understand at times. But I have no problem understanding modern Translations.
FOR EXAMPLE Psalm 25:5:

Psalm 25:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.


They had to update the English Language to the terms and spellings we use today. Even the 1611 Original Preface admitted they did not set out to make a new Translation, but rather to improve on older English Versions, which makes it a PARPHRASE, not a legitimate Translation. YET, when someone else improves the language, by actually going back to the original language manuscripts and actually TRANSLATING IT LITERALLY, they in hypocracy scream that Translation is of the Devil. AMAZING!

The best example I can give you of a modern KJV verse that is extremely hard to understand in that KJV of today is this verse, and I will post a modern TRANSLATION for Comparison:


2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.


And most people today will read that and say, "HUH? ? ?"


2 Thessalonians 2:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,


Much easier to understand.

I have been accused of reading a Translation that was made in sin, and even told that the Translation I was using was made by the Devil.


IF THE 1611 KJV cannot be updated, WHY DID THEY CHANGE THE SPELLING to fit Modern English? ? ? Try to read verse 7 in Chapter 25 in that 1611 KJV.

 

[VCO]

So the old covenant is still in effect today huh?

No, we are under the Age of Grace. BUT THE LAW in it's original PURPOSE to convict people that they are SINNERS in desperate NEED of a SAVIOR applies equally to all Ages. Thought you were not going to replay to my posts any more?

 

[KJV1611]

No, we are under the Age of Grace. BUT THE LAW in it's original PURPOSE to convict people that they are SINNERS in desperate NEED of a SAVIOR applies equally to all Ages. Thought you were not going to replay to my posts any more?

Only when you bad mouth me I wont respond.

 

[KJV1611]

Yet another good question.

I do not read, speak, or understand 1611 King James English very well at all. The KJV ONLY PEOPLE ALREADY CHANGED THE 1611 KJV, and even it is hard to understand at times. But I have no problem understanding modern Translations.
FOR EXAMPLE Psalm 25:5:

Psalm 25:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.


They had to update the English Language to the terms and spellings we use today. Even the 1611 Original Preface admitted they did not set out to make a new Translation, but rather to improve on older English Versions, which makes it a PARPHRASE, not a legitimate Translation. YET, when someone else improves the language, by actually going back to the original language manuscripts and actually TRANSLATING IT LITERALLY, they in hypocracy scream that Translation is of the Devil. AMAZING!

The best example I can give you of a modern KJV verse that is extremely hard to understand in that KJV of today is this verse, and I will post a modern TRANSLATION for Comparison:


2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.


And most people today will read that and say, "HUH? ? ?"


2 Thessalonians 2:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,


Much easier to understand.

I have been accused of reading a Translation that was made in sin, and even told that the Translation I was using was made by the Devil.


IF THE 1611 KJV cannot be updated, WHY DID THEY CHANGE THE SPELLING to fit Modern English? ? ? Try to read verse 7 in Chapter 25 in that 1611 KJV.

You know it's funny how I came to the KJV. I used to read the NIV because the KJV was too hard to read. In the NIV I noticed that the morning star would be Jesus in one place and then Lucifer in another.

So I started looking at other translation including the KJV and I noticed that the KJV was the only one that had Jesus as the morning star and Lucifer as falling from heaven so I stuck with it.

It was hard to read at first but I kept on reading it and after about maybe 2 months I could understand it better than I could modern English. Boy am I glad I did, it's like the blinders were taken off my eyes. So I don't buy the argument that the KJV is hard to read... it's just as easy or easier than any modern translations.

 

[RedeemedGift]

You know it's funny how I came to the KJV. I used to read the NIV because the KJV was too hard to read. In the NIV I noticed that the morning star would be Jesus in one place and then Lucifer in another.

So I started looking at other translation including the KJV and I noticed that the KJV was the only one that had Jesus as the morning star and Lucifer as falling from heaven so I stuck with it.

It was hard to read at first but I kept on reading it and after about maybe 2 months I could understand it better than I could modern English. Boy am I glad I did, it's like the blinders were taken off my eyes. So I don't buy the argument that the KJV is hard to read... it's just as easy or easier than any modern translations.

That's completely subjective. For others the KJV is an unnecessary burden when there are translations in contemporary English.

 

[J7]

You can read what ever bible you want, I'm not telling you what bible to read, I asked if you see WHY I'm KJV only but apparently you didn't see it.

It's spiritual stuff, most people only care about the letter.

You are KJV only because you want absolutes. Correct?

 

[tanakh]

What events do you not believe took place Tanaka?

Where to start? The Disciples saw his ascension. They were told by two Angels that he would return in the same way as he went. He hasnt so far. The main features of Revelation havn't happened yet either. These include a repeat of most of the Plagues of Egypt on a Global scale The whole Beast worship episode including the 666 mark . Large objects falling into the sea and turning it into blood The fall of Babylon wherever that is, An Army of 200,000,000 marching from the East ,the rapture and the battle of Armageddon and anythinfgelse I may have missed.

 

[VCO]

You know it's funny how I came to the KJV. I used to read the NIV because the KJV was too hard to read. In the NIV I noticed that the morning star would be Jesus in one place and then Lucifer in another.

So I started looking at other translation including the KJV and I noticed that the KJV was the only one that had Jesus as the morning star and Lucifer as falling from heaven so I stuck with it.

It was hard to read at first but I kept on reading it and after about maybe 2 months I could understand it better than I could modern English. Boy am I glad I did, it's like the blinders were taken off my eyes. So I don't buy the argument that the KJV is hard to read... it's just as easy or easier than any modern translations.

To each his own, but I too abandoned my NIV Thompson Chain, for a different reason. As I got older, I noticed the print on the pages was getting smaller and smaller.

I like the NASB large print, either in the Center Column Reference or Side Column Reference, but over the past couple years, I have taken serious liking for the Holman's Christian Standard Bible on my WORDsearch 10 Software program. The main reason that has become my favorite, is their TRANSLATOR'S did not shy away from Translating the word "Yahweh", which in Hebrew is YHWH literally, like all other Translations.

Isaiah 43:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed, you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.

Exodus 6:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] I will bring you to the land that I swore to give to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and I will give it to you as a possession. I am Yahweh.”



My opinion on the various Translations actually mirrors the opinion of the 1611 KJV Tranlation Team, even tho I came up with that opinion before I ever Read the 1611 Original Preface:

. . . Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay
wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest { poorest }
translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession
(for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet)
containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . .

My Personal opinion of the KJV, is it is the Best of all the Paraphrases, but still it is NOT a literal TRANSLATION from the Original Languages. In my Wordsearch 10 program, I always have at least 12 versions of the Bible open, and yes the KJV is one of them. When I get to a particularly hard to understand verse, I have found that if I pray for understanding, and TOTALLY TRUST the Holy Spirit to give that understanding to me, there will be only one meaning that rings clear, even when I read all 12 versions. YES, I totally believe in comparing Scripture to other Scriptures on the same subject, to varify the understanding.

 

[tanakh]

I agree, and those things could be the persecusion of the church over the last 2000 years. But I don't know why there would need to be dual fulfillment for this... Christ brought the kingdom of heaven to earth when he came the first time so I don't see anything needing to happen in the future other than Christ physically coming to the earth, resurrecting the new testament saints, changing those that will be alive at the time of his coming and reigning for a thousand years.

Jesus said he would return after the tribulation of those days so as we are still waiting for his return
then there must be a future application of what he warned the Disciples about.

 

[Burninglight]

I'll tell you what, if you start speaking about the KJV being the inerrant word of God, the devils scurry into action lol. Not you J7, the spirit that enrages you over someone suggesting that there is a perfect bible.

No worries, I used to be in that camp to0 until God opened my eyes... many years longer than I've been in the KJV in fact. But no this is not a KJV thread and I'm sorry I brought it up.

The devils? The devils have been around a longer than us. They can quote the KJV1611 or any version better than anyone; so, don't be deceived. It is not any written or given version of the Bible that is important; it is the Spirit of God who quickens the word to us and others; otherwise, Christ is not truly preached. The rapture doctrine is not in the Bible only in foot notes of certain Bibles

 

[KJV1611]

That's completely subjective. For others the KJV is an unnecessary burden when there are translations in contemporary English.

If you want to stay where you are and not enter into heaven on earth then any translation is fine. If you want to enter in now, then it takes incorruptible seed. And this is not spiritual mumbo jumbo, it truly takes incorruptible seed AND 100 % faith that every word is right to enter the kingdom. Don't blame me lol, God made it that way.

 

[KJV1611]

You are KJV only because you want absolutes. Correct?

It's the only way to enter the kingdom, you must be born again of incorrutible seed or you can't even SEE the kingdom of God, much less enter in.

 

[Burninglight]

Jesus said he would return after the tribulation of those days so as we are still waiting for his return
then there must be a future application of what he warned the Disciples about.

That is in Matthew 24. I don't know how Christians get before the tribulation of those days from after. the Bible says the coming of the Lord not the comings of the Lord. They believe in a secret coming rapture at any time when Jesus and Paul warn not to fall for that and yet many do. 2 Thes. 2... Go figure>

 

[Burninglight]

It's the only way to enter the kingdom, you must be born again of incorrutible seed or you can't even SEE the kingdom of God, much less enter in.

You make it sound like only those using the KJV have hope of being saved. If you think that and that the KJV is inerrant and the only way to be saved absolutely, you have some serious repenting to do.

 

[KJV1611]

Jesus said he would return after the tribulation of those days so as we are still waiting for his return
then there must be a future application of what he warned the Disciples about.

Key word - THOSE days. Jesus was talking to the disciples that were about to be persecuted to the point of death. I know every one doesn't see it this way, but if the story would have been about any other subject other the return of Christ, those words would have been interpretted exactly as they were written.

 

[KJV1611]

You make it sound like only those using the KJV have hope of being saved.

No i don't mean that in any way, I was saved when I read the NIV but I had not entered the kingdom of heaven on earth UNTIL I started reading the KJV and believing every word is right.

Saved and born again are not the same thing. I tried to do a thread on this but the hatred was more than I could bear. It only takes a couple of bible verses to see this is true.

 

[Burninglight]

Key word - THOSE days. Jesus was talking to the disciples that were about to be persecuted to the point of death. I know every one doesn't see it this way, but if the story would have been about any other subject other the return of Christ, those words would have been interpretted exactly as they were written.

Man who is your pastor?

 

[KJV1611]

The devils? The devils have been around a longer than us. They can quote the KJV1611 or any version better than anyone; so, don't be deceived. It is not any written or given version of the Bible that is important; it is the Spirit of God who quickens the word to us and others; otherwise, Christ is not truly preached. The rapture doctrine is not in the Bible only in foot notes of certain Bibles

I completely agree, those people have done more harm than the new translations have.

 

[KJV1611]

Man who is your pastor?

Jesus.... A woman is not to teach, if she has a question should ask her husband at home. Church is good for fellowship and bible discussion but when it comes time for learning, our husband Christ is the teacher.

 

[J7]

Where to start? The Disciples saw his ascension. They were told by two Angels that he would return in the same way as he went. He hasnt so far. The main features of Revelation havn't happened yet either. These include a repeat of most of the Plagues of Egypt on a Global scale The whole Beast worship episode including the 666 mark . Large objects falling into the sea and turning it into blood The fall of Babylon wherever that is, An Army of 200,000,000 marching from the East ,the rapture and the battle of Armageddon and anythinfgelse I may have missed.

You haven't mentioned a thing from Matthew 24