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Theology is about the study of God. Not the study of Scripture.
We study Scripture to understand Him, but how does Scripture tell us we know Him?
1 John 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
And how does this love for our brother and sister manifest in us?
1 John 4:19 We love because He first loved us.
Knowing His love, is how we know Him, and understanding His love for us is what allows us to freely love each other.
I believe this is true theology.
1 John 4:8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
We study Scripture to understand Him, but how does Scripture tell us we know Him?
1 John 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
And how does this love for our brother and sister manifest in us?
1 John 4:19 We love because He first loved us.
Knowing His love, is how we know Him, and understanding His love for us is what allows us to freely love each other.
I believe this is true theology.
1 John 4:8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
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I would say yes soldier on.
But to me soldiers get wounded in battle.
I think the problem is a wounded person will stay on duty even though the are hurting, but to be honest a wounded soldier is not fit for battle.
A wounded soldier needs care and attention, nursing back to health as such.
A wounded soldier needs to realise that they have wounds that need healing and be willing to say I need help.
To be honest Jimbo what distresses me greatly is that we as believers in the same army can shoot the wounded.
Yes we must be fit for duty but if we are not fit then we can't keep duty.
Children of the Father, encourage and help, don't shoot each other. Love and care for each other as God does for us.
But to me soldiers get wounded in battle.
I think the problem is a wounded person will stay on duty even though the are hurting, but to be honest a wounded soldier is not fit for battle.
A wounded soldier needs care and attention, nursing back to health as such.
A wounded soldier needs to realise that they have wounds that need healing and be willing to say I need help.
To be honest Jimbo what distresses me greatly is that we as believers in the same army can shoot the wounded.
Yes we must be fit for duty but if we are not fit then we can't keep duty.
Children of the Father, encourage and help, don't shoot each other. Love and care for each other as God does for us.
I have never ever read any post stating fruit not being needed to abide. That's a strange statement and am sure I would pick up on it. Abiding bears fruit. Not the other way around. You really don't know any of these people. Who knows? There may be dynamic ministries posting. And I doubt that one can love Jesus so much that a talent would be buried.
And by the way, implicating that you are bragging of self works was not even in my thinking. But, if the shoe fits?
I stated we brag on Jesus not OUR works.
This is a great post Jim. We are at war with an enemy we can only see by discernment, which is from Holy Spirit. So our warfare becomes a stand...clothed in His presence which if fully clothed, body, soul, spirit; shells cannot penetrate. We have the advantage then of letting the fire that burns within us to go forth from us in anointed words that are life and spirit...to take out the enemy spirits.
Not people, but controlling spirits.
Not people, but controlling spirits.
I had an denomic attack yesterday first of it was a prayer and then i was told God wont listen to your prayer..
Ist came the prayer it was prayer that asked me ask God forgive me for being mean hearted after i felt the denomic forces t power trying to change my heart.. i knew what it was instantly i rebuked it..
I the Got a nasty comment saying God will not listen to your prayers..
this the sneaky part the first attack was an attemtp to try to make me believe i was thinking and saying the prayer.. i challenge the thought and chucked a stone in at the same time,,, and guess what yup you guessed it which is a recuuring theeme ,,, my father use to play the weegi board and my fear is he brought the dark side into our house... i get in desperate sistuations with it some times.. im really freeked out at time.. and im being honest and sincere. this is the world we live in.. no one is safe if your not trained to fight the enemy..
Ist came the prayer it was prayer that asked me ask God forgive me for being mean hearted after i felt the denomic forces t power trying to change my heart.. i knew what it was instantly i rebuked it..
I the Got a nasty comment saying God will not listen to your prayers..
this the sneaky part the first attack was an attemtp to try to make me believe i was thinking and saying the prayer.. i challenge the thought and chucked a stone in at the same time,,, and guess what yup you guessed it which is a recuuring theeme ,,, my father use to play the weegi board and my fear is he brought the dark side into our house... i get in desperate sistuations with it some times.. im really freeked out at time.. and im being honest and sincere. this is the world we live in.. no one is safe if your not trained to fight the enemy..
[SUP]2cor 10 3 [/SUP]For though we walk in the flesh [as mortal men], we are not carrying on our [spiritual] warfare according to the flesh and using the weapons of man. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood]. Our weapons are divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. [SUP]5 [/SUP]We are destroying sophisticated arguments and every exalted and proud thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought and purpose captive to the obedience of Christ, [SUP]6 [/SUP]being ready to punish every act of disobedience, when your own obedience [as a church] is complete.
we can still fight warfare spirutally billy lad,, even when unactive etc..
we can still fight warfare spirutally billy lad,, even when unactive etc..
Grow some skin....I stand for the truth as I see it, call it like it is and being easily offended is a sure sign of immaturity.....my points are obvious...You do not know me, know how I live, walk or deal with people so judging my life without the facts places you in the seat of hypocrisy.....just saying.......facts are facts!
AND DON'T FORGET THE HYPOCRITICAL MINDSET WHO BOAST OF THEIR SALVATION AND CHRIST IN THEM BUT WHEN FACED WITH A CHALLENGE TO PROVE THEIR FAITH CRIES FOUL AND STARTS ATTACKING THE ONE WHO CHALLENGED THEM AND MAKES ALL SORTS OF ALIBIS WHICH ONLY GOES DOWN TO THE MERE FACT THAT THEY JUST REALLY DON'T WANT TO OBEY AND SUBMIT TO GOD.
New International Version 1984 Matthew 19:16-30 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be PERFECT, go, SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.” Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?” Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
THIS PASSAGE ONLY PROVES THAT EVERYONE WHO IS "WITH" GOD CAN OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. NOW THOSE WHO CAN'T OBEY THIS, ONLY PROVES THAT GOD IS NOT "WITH" THEM.
Romans 8:7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
JESUS WAS SEEKING GENUINE OBEDIENCE THAT CAN ONLY BE LEARNED THROUGH SUFFERINGS;
Hebrews 5:8-9 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.
Romans 3:31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
SO WHO THEN ARE THE "HYPOCRITES" AND WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT THEM?
Matthew 23:3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
New International Version 1984 Jude 1:17-19 A Call to Persevere But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT.
Good morning!
New International Version 1984 Matthew 19:16-30 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be PERFECT, go, SELL YOUR POSSESSIONS and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.” Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?” Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
THIS PASSAGE ONLY PROVES THAT EVERYONE WHO IS "WITH" GOD CAN OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. NOW THOSE WHO CAN'T OBEY THIS, ONLY PROVES THAT GOD IS NOT "WITH" THEM.
Romans 8:7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
JESUS WAS SEEKING GENUINE OBEDIENCE THAT CAN ONLY BE LEARNED THROUGH SUFFERINGS;
Hebrews 5:8-9 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.
Romans 3:31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
SO WHO THEN ARE THE "HYPOCRITES" AND WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT THEM?
Matthew 23:3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
New International Version 1984 Jude 1:17-19 A Call to Persevere But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT.
Good morning!
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So, am I to conclude that you simply can not explain how Peter uses the phrase 'save yourselves' in a sermon about how to be saved by grace through faith apart from works?
If and when you can explain how 'save yourselves' doesn't mean 'save yourself by working to be saved' then you will understand how works must be a part of salvation without those works earning your salvation. It seems so many of you can not grasp how works must be a part of salvation without those works having to mean 'earning your salvation'.
It's quite amusing, and frustrating, to see so many of you unable to grasp anything outside of what you've been indoctrinated by in the church to think about this subject. Works in salvation does not have to automatically and without exception mean 'trying to save yourself'. If that's the only way works can be understood in salvation then Peter was teaching a 'works save' gospel in Acts 2.
If and when you can explain how 'save yourselves' doesn't mean 'save yourself by working to be saved' then you will understand how works must be a part of salvation without those works earning your salvation. It seems so many of you can not grasp how works must be a part of salvation without those works having to mean 'earning your salvation'.
It's quite amusing, and frustrating, to see so many of you unable to grasp anything outside of what you've been indoctrinated by in the church to think about this subject. Works in salvation does not have to automatically and without exception mean 'trying to save yourself'. If that's the only way works can be understood in salvation then Peter was teaching a 'works save' gospel in Acts 2.
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I know that, lol! I made that clear. You're not paying attention!
What I'm asking is for YOU to explain how 'save yourselves' in Acts 2 doesn't mean earning your salvation (which it certainly doesn't mean). If I can get you to explain it then I can make you see how works in salvation does not have to automatically and categorically without exception mean you are trying to save yourself, as so many of you think it does.
You don't have to put up with this kind of thing Jim. Others could lay hands on you and pray. We should have a clear mind. That is what the thorns on the head of Jesus brought to mankind. He bore all our our troubled thoughts. And they really are just lies.
I went through a time like that...capturing thoughts and then would imagine a garbage can. Put the thought into the can and slammed the lid down. That's what that scripture means about capturing those thoughts. You might have another way of dealing with them though.
I remember the end of this...I actually heard them screaming..."she knows the truth" The more I learned of the scriptures, the more I quoted back to the thought. That worked the best.
I can't be tormented this way anymore.
That was a long time ago. And I used a Ouija board when I was a kid. Dont' let kids do this!
I went through a time like that...capturing thoughts and then would imagine a garbage can. Put the thought into the can and slammed the lid down. That's what that scripture means about capturing those thoughts. You might have another way of dealing with them though.
I remember the end of this...I actually heard them screaming..."she knows the truth" The more I learned of the scriptures, the more I quoted back to the thought. That worked the best.
I can't be tormented this way anymore.That was a long time ago. And I used a Ouija board when I was a kid. Dont' let kids do this!