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The next step in the building on the foundation in this growth as Sons of God, is to know we are Spirit, and not flesh Dcon. Here is where Meggido is getting frustrated. He knows this step, and wants others to know it too.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
We have the Spirit of Christ now by being born again. So we now identify with Jesus, rather than with the old man. The old man died with Jesus, and we now will learn to walk in resurrection life.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
We have the Spirit of Christ now by being born again. So we now identify with Jesus, rather than with the old man. The old man died with Jesus, and we now will learn to walk in resurrection life.
That deeper error is that someone is trying to bewitched believers from obeying the truth and the truth is evidently set forth by Christ when He died on the Calvary. Praise God we now have the victory in Christ! we are redeemed by the blood of Christ! Amen! God bless!
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
I saw what you wrote and here it is:
You stated the same concerning Paul. Lol all you wish but I've completely understood what you wrote and your contradictory statements. You've also been given ample evidence that your interpretation of Acts 2:40 is incorrect but of course you're going to overlook that and carry on in error.
You will receive absolutely no correction nor are you capable of admitting your own words and contradictions. I'd say man up but that looks impossible for you to accomplish.
Good day. There is no need for further dialog with one who cannot admit his ways. You can get your last word in.
You stated the same concerning Paul. Lol all you wish but I've completely understood what you wrote and your contradictory statements. You've also been given ample evidence that your interpretation of Acts 2:40 is incorrect but of course you're going to overlook that and carry on in error.
You will receive absolutely no correction nor are you capable of admitting your own words and contradictions. I'd say man up but that looks impossible for you to accomplish.
Good day. There is no need for further dialog with one who cannot admit his ways. You can get your last word in.
Were are spiritually born again of incorruptable seed which is temporarily housed in a dead body of flesh.....Jesus...THE SUPREME EXAMPLE said it best....the SPIRIT IS INDEED WILLING BUT THE FLESH IS WEAK......I will not ignore the words of Jesus and or Paul in favor of any man's opinion regardless of how loud he barks........ 
I have to say I am genuinely perplexed by this debate about duality.
On the one hand, I still stumble and sin, and therefore am I not a sinner who is constantly being washed by the Blood of Christ?
On the other hand, I understand what posters like Megiddo and Stone is saying. I don't want to, nor do I believe I should, regard myself as a sinner. And I believe my greatest Spiritual growth happens when I don't regard myself as a sinner, yet I still sin.
I just praise God with all my heart that BOTH hands realize that it is by the Blood of Christ ALONE I am saved.
On the one hand, I still stumble and sin, and therefore am I not a sinner who is constantly being washed by the Blood of Christ?
On the other hand, I understand what posters like Megiddo and Stone is saying. I don't want to, nor do I believe I should, regard myself as a sinner. And I believe my greatest Spiritual growth happens when I don't regard myself as a sinner, yet I still sin.
I just praise God with all my heart that BOTH hands realize that it is by the Blood of Christ ALONE I am saved.
They have no discernment, therefore they can't see anything.
Their delusion won't let them use commentaries that's 150 yrs old that's tried & true.
Ironically, sinners never saved can read those commentaries & make some sense out of it.
It's the delusion that turns their understanding totally off.
Originally Posted by UnderGrace
Yes, also we forget that Jesus is the sower, and He loves all types of soil, so much so that He is willing to sow seed on any type of ground.
A typical farmer would never really plant his seed on anything but good soil.
But then Jesus is anything but a typical farmer
Their delusion won't let them use commentaries that's 150 yrs old that's tried & true.
Ironically, sinners never saved can read those commentaries & make some sense out of it.
It's the delusion that turns their understanding totally off.
Yes, also we forget that Jesus is the sower, and He loves all types of soil, so much so that He is willing to sow seed on any type of ground.
A typical farmer would never really plant his seed on anything but good soil.
But then Jesus is anything but a typical farmer
There is a profound tension between seeing where we are and were we can be.
We remember our failures, God says once we repent of them and resolve them He
does not.
We always expect failure and stumbling, He does not.
We believe because it feels like we are balancing and it is hard to stay ok and upright,
for the Lord it is who He is.
Can we walk knowing we are Holy, pure and righteous, understanding we are cleansed
and made clean, while perceiving it is still a struggle and will probably always be so.
The hypocracy comes not when we are fighting to stay as God has made us, but when
we compromise and appear one way but behave in sin and become resigned to this
reality rather than claim the inheritence He has brought us.
We remember our failures, God says once we repent of them and resolve them He
does not.
We always expect failure and stumbling, He does not.
We believe because it feels like we are balancing and it is hard to stay ok and upright,
for the Lord it is who He is.
Can we walk knowing we are Holy, pure and righteous, understanding we are cleansed
and made clean, while perceiving it is still a struggle and will probably always be so.
The hypocracy comes not when we are fighting to stay as God has made us, but when
we compromise and appear one way but behave in sin and become resigned to this
reality rather than claim the inheritence He has brought us.
You're incorrect.
Many at Hillsong is like this. They can't even worship without music.
They don't worship God, but the feeling the music produces.
One of the proofs of this is when they pray(if they pray), there's no single time the Spirit moves during prayer only where worship begins. None.
In the old Pentecostal church, prayer is one of the times when worship would break out. Another would be at the END of the music.
True worship doesn't need a kickstarter song or a crank up of the volume. The Holy Spirit needs no help.
It's flesh that needs motivating, & pumping up the flesh isn't spiritual at all.
Many at Hillsong is like this. They can't even worship without music.
They don't worship God, but the feeling the music produces.
One of the proofs of this is when they pray(if they pray), there's no single time the Spirit moves during prayer only where worship begins. None.
In the old Pentecostal church, prayer is one of the times when worship would break out. Another would be at the END of the music.
True worship doesn't need a kickstarter song or a crank up of the volume. The Holy Spirit needs no help.
It's flesh that needs motivating, & pumping up the flesh isn't spiritual at all.
I see generally that everyone agrees that it is Faith that saves not our works.
"Our works can't save" is what most agree on (i haven't read all that has been said) but some are saying works mean nothing and others are saying works reveil or show what faith you have.
Can you take one verse and build a doctrine on that verse alone?
The bible as a whole tells me that you can't seperate faith and works.
Faith alone saves and faith comes first but it is this faith that enables God to work in us.
Jam 2.20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Rom 6.15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
1 John 5.3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
As a whole the bible teaches me that i can't do it myself, but by faith in Jesus i can (by His Spirit) do good works.
Plainly put my faith results in works.
By their fruits(actions, words, deeds, works) you will know them.
Matt 7.16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Jam 2.18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Depending who is being written to makes all the difference. Paul or James or Jesus they need to be read in context.
Real faith connects us to the source of good works. No works = no real faith.
"Our works can't save" is what most agree on (i haven't read all that has been said) but some are saying works mean nothing and others are saying works reveil or show what faith you have.
Can you take one verse and build a doctrine on that verse alone?
The bible as a whole tells me that you can't seperate faith and works.
Faith alone saves and faith comes first but it is this faith that enables God to work in us.
Jam 2.20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Rom 6.15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
1 John 5.3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
As a whole the bible teaches me that i can't do it myself, but by faith in Jesus i can (by His Spirit) do good works.
Plainly put my faith results in works.
By their fruits(actions, words, deeds, works) you will know them.
Matt 7.16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Jam 2.18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Depending who is being written to makes all the difference. Paul or James or Jesus they need to be read in context.
Real faith connects us to the source of good works. No works = no real faith.
Let me reiterate I am not a fan of Hillsong for various reasons, one being its adherence to false doctrines such as WoF teachings (well, at least some within it) unbiblical lyrics, sensual music &c.
But where we differ is that I don't know that none belonging to it live for the LORD. Yet, you and other Luke 18:9 people seem to know all of this, and hold contempt for others, while praising yourselves, or at the least never really accepting your own manifestations on here of unChrist like behavior.
In fact, Stephen63, your entire walk and mantra as seen on here is to express your disdain for many many people. You're filled with it, and it is a practice of yours, daily.
That being true, you would serve yourself well to be concerned more over your fruit than that of a worship band of which you've condemned every single member. Warning others of their fallacies is one thing, but condemning the entire group is another.
You won't stand in judgment of them on that Day, Christ will, and you have much more to be concerned about with yourself.
But where we differ is that I don't know that none belonging to it live for the LORD. Yet, you and other Luke 18:9 people seem to know all of this, and hold contempt for others, while praising yourselves, or at the least never really accepting your own manifestations on here of unChrist like behavior.
In fact, Stephen63, your entire walk and mantra as seen on here is to express your disdain for many many people. You're filled with it, and it is a practice of yours, daily.
That being true, you would serve yourself well to be concerned more over your fruit than that of a worship band of which you've condemned every single member. Warning others of their fallacies is one thing, but condemning the entire group is another.
You won't stand in judgment of them on that Day, Christ will, and you have much more to be concerned about with yourself.
I've twisted exactly none of his words, directly quoted him, and showed his contradictory statements and fallacious interpretations.
But you're not interested in that, due to your flesh you're more concerned with sowing discord and causing division, even if it means conveniently leaving out the facts.
Any honest person walking with God can see that your accusations are false and see that my posts and comments on his statements are accurate.
But you, like him, can have the last word.
But you're not interested in that, due to your flesh you're more concerned with sowing discord and causing division, even if it means conveniently leaving out the facts.
Any honest person walking with God can see that your accusations are false and see that my posts and comments on his statements are accurate.
But you, like him, can have the last word.
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I think we must put it in context,
1. If i am thinking about self, and my position in Christ, I have to see myself as redeemed, not as a sinner,
2. If we discussing salvation with a person and we are discussing our righteousness compared with the righteousness God demands, we have t admit even we do not live up to at standard, no one does, that's why we need grace, even more important, if we are discussing with someone who thinks we can lose salvation based on how well we obey, again, we have to discuss how we are still sinners, and still fall short.
Most of the discussions in CC fall under number 2, and that cases a lot of problems for some people. Who think we are not seeing ourselves as redeeme, but instead as sinners,
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I showed you my exact words where I said I was not saying Peter and Paul were teaching a works gospel. You didn't catch it the first time around. Hey, it happens. All you have to do is acknowledge that you missed it. I pointed out your error of understanding, and if you listen I have 'won a brother' (Matthew 18:15).
Show me that I have won a brother and just admit you misunderstood my post. I'll respect you for it, not think less of you.
Show me that I have won a brother and just admit you misunderstood my post. I'll respect you for it, not think less of you.