For my KJB supporting brethren
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More Scripture twisting and out of context wresting. You're yanking a passage out of context to force a verse into defending a version you like.
That is not the intention nor is it context of which the Holy Spirit inspired this passage!
Your decision to do this is the same action of those in 2 Corinthians 2:17 who corrupted the Word of God for their own selfish agenda.
That is not the intention nor is it context of which the Holy Spirit inspired this passage!
Your decision to do this is the same action of those in 2 Corinthians 2:17 who corrupted the Word of God for their own selfish agenda.
Bill lets look at Gen 1:1....What do you see...???? "ʼĕlôhîym" 'GOD'...a Hebrew Plural form of the root word "'elowahh". A plural word yet the equivalent word in English is GOD (singular). An Error?????? what about the next word in the scripture.
Bara' from the root word (LHBRYAKM) meaning "to make". It is a plural verb. YET the English Word "created" both a singlular and plural verb. By that I mean that He Created (singular) and They Created (plural). Here in Gen 1:1 Created is singular.
A Plural Noun and a Singular verb....To the untrained eye, one does not see but the error is there and it means exactly what GOD intended it to..
To Make and to Create are three different things in my mind...not sure about yours. Another Error?????
Hebrew and Koinonia Greek (Septuegint LXX) and the Greek language during the time of the NT. all had a far more precise language that could express just exactly what God meant. English can not do that without some errors occurring.
Having said all of this,, The 1% I spoke of was to bring a light on the KJV that while it was written using the Masoretic text, Septuagint, Textus Receptus, etc. there were still errors that would make one look to the previously mentioned text for clarification.
Note: I did not specify what type of errors were contained within.
Many of the other versions were taken from the Alexandria texts, etc. that have been proven to be falsified scripts.
Also there are some versions that use "PC" politically Correct" words or Non-words.
As I stated before , I have some problems with them and am therefore a hard core KJV person. If you wish to discuss an individual version.....we can do that...Your Call,,,,
NOTE: While I know there are several errors like those I spoke along with other errors that require one to seek further clarification in the originals text, manuscripts. This, I have come to believe was in the design by God Himself.
In Proverbs 25:2.."God tells us " It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."
For those who are part of the "Body of Christ" (the Church), Jesus tells us we are to be Kings and Priest. In the OT Prov. 25:2 God tells us that Kings search the Bible for things that HE concealed. Interesting??????NO?
Yes, there are errors of all sorts, put there by GOD...... that is what I believe.
People need the WORDs of GOD that they can count on telling them like it is. For to believe in Jesus is to Believe in all of HIM which includes HIS word. In my opinion the KJV rises to the occasion.
If you want to continue trashing the WORDs of GOD, that is your burden to carry. I on the other hand not help you carry it anymore.
Have a Blessed Day Bill.....
Blade
Bara' from the root word (LHBRYAKM) meaning "to make". It is a plural verb. YET the English Word "created" both a singlular and plural verb. By that I mean that He Created (singular) and They Created (plural). Here in Gen 1:1 Created is singular.
A Plural Noun and a Singular verb....To the untrained eye, one does not see but the error is there and it means exactly what GOD intended it to..
To Make and to Create are three different things in my mind...not sure about yours. Another Error?????
Hebrew and Koinonia Greek (Septuegint LXX) and the Greek language during the time of the NT. all had a far more precise language that could express just exactly what God meant. English can not do that without some errors occurring.
Having said all of this,, The 1% I spoke of was to bring a light on the KJV that while it was written using the Masoretic text, Septuagint, Textus Receptus, etc. there were still errors that would make one look to the previously mentioned text for clarification.
Note: I did not specify what type of errors were contained within.
Many of the other versions were taken from the Alexandria texts, etc. that have been proven to be falsified scripts.
Also there are some versions that use "PC" politically Correct" words or Non-words.
As I stated before , I have some problems with them and am therefore a hard core KJV person. If you wish to discuss an individual version.....we can do that...Your Call,,,,
NOTE: While I know there are several errors like those I spoke along with other errors that require one to seek further clarification in the originals text, manuscripts. This, I have come to believe was in the design by God Himself.
In Proverbs 25:2.."God tells us " It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."
For those who are part of the "Body of Christ" (the Church), Jesus tells us we are to be Kings and Priest. In the OT Prov. 25:2 God tells us that Kings search the Bible for things that HE concealed. Interesting??????NO?
Yes, there are errors of all sorts, put there by GOD...... that is what I believe.
People need the WORDs of GOD that they can count on telling them like it is. For to believe in Jesus is to Believe in all of HIM which includes HIS word. In my opinion the KJV rises to the occasion.
If you want to continue trashing the WORDs of GOD, that is your burden to carry. I on the other hand not help you carry it anymore.
Have a Blessed Day Bill.....
Blade
Hello Blade
Just to put down some ground work. I believe the original autographs are The perfect inerrant Word of God . The fact we have any of the copies we have today of them is a testament to the Devine hand of God . Now that's out of the way.
I can go on about what I believe and you can go on about what you believe. We could probably go on until one of us wakes up and sees The Lord . I believe we have much better things to do than that . My only desire was to point out what I saw were errors in your logic not picking on the KJV itself. It's a great translation that I enjoyed reading. I do lke two others just as much . I do not exclusively read one . I will not pick on it's (KJV) reliability nor will do that to other translations, with the exception of paraphrasing and or cult translations. That is for obvious reasons. You seem to be done with the current topic between ourselves as well as I . There is no hard feelings here as I pray their are none on your side .let us please part on friendly terms .
Blessings
Bill
Just to put down some ground work. I believe the original autographs are The perfect inerrant Word of God . The fact we have any of the copies we have today of them is a testament to the Devine hand of God . Now that's out of the way.
I can go on about what I believe and you can go on about what you believe. We could probably go on until one of us wakes up and sees The Lord . I believe we have much better things to do than that . My only desire was to point out what I saw were errors in your logic not picking on the KJV itself. It's a great translation that I enjoyed reading. I do lke two others just as much . I do not exclusively read one . I will not pick on it's (KJV) reliability nor will do that to other translations, with the exception of paraphrasing and or cult translations. That is for obvious reasons. You seem to be done with the current topic between ourselves as well as I . There is no hard feelings here as I pray their are none on your side .let us please part on friendly terms .
Blessings
Bill
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Bill, thank you...We are somewhere close to each other. We both enjoy the Bible. We both believe in God's Word and it evident we both love Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. We can debate all day and from my standpoint we can still depart on friendly terms.
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Gary
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And that was really the whole point of Satan creating this Bible version controversy in the first place. Create doubt and confusion, so that either people will not believe the Gospel, or they will depart from the true Word of God. And the majority of evangelicals have embraced the modern versions. Many do not realize that the foundational doctrine -- the doctrine of Scripture as the Word of God- has been thorougly undermined.
Right bro. He came to the conclusion that there is no true word of God here on earth. I think he's an atheist now 
. Poor soul. If someone thinks that God hasn't left a pure word/record by the year 2017, a time where anyone with access to the internet or a bible bookstore can find read about Him, you're really underestimating the God you serve.
. Poor soul. If someone thinks that God hasn't left a pure word/record by the year 2017, a time where anyone with access to the internet or a bible bookstore can find read about Him, you're really underestimating the God you serve.
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The person who I was talking about grew up believing in Jesus (not sure which bible he read out of or how strong his faith really was) but later in life went to college to learn how to be in ministry and was exposed to the Alexandrian school of thought or Alexandrian textual criticism (however you wanna say it) and because of that his faith was destroyed. He did not want to preach/read out of a book with mistakes in it. Due to all that he later became a Muslim.
That's how dangerous it is when you tell people there is no pure word of God. Satan is able to deceive them into becoming idolaters. I've had firsthand experience with people telling me they believe in God but don't want to read/follow what the bible teaches because "its a book written by men."
The person who I was talking about grew up believing in Jesus (not sure which bible he read out of or how strong his faith really was) but later in life went to college to learn how to be in ministry and was exposed to the Alexandrian school of thought or Alexandrian textual criticism (however you wanna say it) and because of that his faith was destroyed. He did not want to preach/read out of a book with mistakes in it. Due to all that he later became a Muslim.
That's how dangerous it is when you tell people there is no pure word of God. Satan is able to deceive them into becoming idolaters. I've had firsthand experience with people telling me they believe in God but don't want to read/follow what the bible teaches because "its a book written by men."
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One should never forget that Satan is constantly at work trying to drag souls to Hell. You have no idea what excuses he can plant in peoples' minds to get them to reject the Gospel. BTW Muslims, on the other hand, believe unreservedly that the Koran is the true Word of God, and they do not have textual critics telling them otherwise.
Exactly. Which is exactly why this KJVO is so damaging... you are putting your whole belief system, and your faith, into a TRANSLATION of scripture... instead of scripture itself.
The "pure words of God" are what we engrave on our hearts, not in some idolized book....and the translation that puts them there matters very little... if we are studying God's word, the Spirit will make sure we arrive at the truth, whether we read about 70 people sent out, or 72.
You people are straining gnats and swallowing camels.
And driving babes in Christ away with your idolatrous worship of a translation.
The "pure words of God" are what we engrave on our hearts, not in some idolized book....and the translation that puts them there matters very little... if we are studying God's word, the Spirit will make sure we arrive at the truth, whether we read about 70 people sent out, or 72.
You people are straining gnats and swallowing camels.
And driving babes in Christ away with your idolatrous worship of a translation.
Actually they pull off the same thing Christians do, they say the arabic version is inspired. The english one is just a translation. Anytime you critique their english translation and say how dumb it sounds they pull off the "You just need to study arabic and read it in the original" thing which is kind of a cop-out, they expect me to spend years to learn a new language just to read one book?
I do understand your point brother. If you tell people their bibles are filled with errors and mistranslations it does not do good to one's faith in what its saying. Since you appear to be KJVOnly I got a question for you, what is the preserved word of God for the finnish speaking people?
And before you ask, yes I can read english and the only english bible I own is the KJV, I would just like to read in my native language as well, so the question still stands: What is the preserved word of God for the finnish speaking people?
I do understand your point brother. If you tell people their bibles are filled with errors and mistranslations it does not do good to one's faith in what its saying. Since you appear to be KJVOnly I got a question for you, what is the preserved word of God for the finnish speaking people?
And before you ask, yes I can read english and the only english bible I own is the KJV, I would just like to read in my native language as well, so the question still stands: What is the preserved word of God for the finnish speaking people?