Not By Works
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I believe the Messiah and the warning given to the Churches are to be considered.. Likewise the serpent beguiled and they did not obey GOD.
P hart raises a valid point that if he had to Repent and Believe to be saved then that is a ongoing belief.. and not a self work but part of the Just shall live by Faith...
those that are engrafted remain in belief by living through Christ within all by the power of GOD. You say nothing we do makes a difference.. once you have you can not lose.. yet it is written that not all were worthy to walk in white with Him.. so we are to set our heart to be perfect and righteous to be accepted.. because no one forces their way in to the Kingdom of GOD.. Love GOD and each other fulfills the Royal law.. Faith that worketh by Love..
P hart raises a valid point that if he had to Repent and Believe to be saved then that is a ongoing belief.. and not a self work but part of the Just shall live by Faith...
those that are engrafted remain in belief by living through Christ within all by the power of GOD. You say nothing we do makes a difference.. once you have you can not lose.. yet it is written that not all were worthy to walk in white with Him.. so we are to set our heart to be perfect and righteous to be accepted.. because no one forces their way in to the Kingdom of GOD.. Love GOD and each other fulfills the Royal law.. Faith that worketh by Love..
Language is a strange thing. If salvation is not dependent on our response then all
are saved.
If we need to respond, repent, confess and trust, have faith, believe Gods heart and
intention through the cross, then equally the opposite is also possible.
This is why people who follow this road end up fatalists or universalists.
If you cannot cope that love requires two parties to agree and walk together,
then how is this a loving relationship or founded on friendship and worship of
the Lord and all the good things He does?
It is like the possibility of failure is so catastrophic, the ultimate nightmare of a
legalists, faith for these believers is the exact opposite, there are no rules and
no way once accepted to ever lose it.
I cannot relate to this concept because it is connected to a way of having relationships
in which there is no individual, one is a group identity without responsibility. So the leaders
take the parental role guiding the sheep, and the evil wolves have to be weeded out and the
sheep protected. So the enemy become other believers who must be diabolical or else they
would just accept this view of the world and Jesus.
The real test is are you interested in truth and love or just belonging? If you just want to
belong, bingo, you have arrived, but if you want to walk in the Kingdom and learn and listen
and walk, you actually have to do these things and actually apply yourself.
So much this is the opposite of this easy believism, if you do not accept the version they share,
you are evil, beyond recognition. And not surprisingly this is all they share, because this is actually
all they have, there is no real change or nuance, it is seeing the mess one is, and just appreciating
God loves you, and it is ok. It is like turning up to a building site and it is only half built, though the
plans are everywhere and declaring this was the intention of the builder and we should leave it well
alone, because it is up to Him to finish the job, even though the plans say specifically what we are
to do, that would be working for your self and not the builder, even though you were called, recruited
and instructed to build precisely according to the instructions.
What we are called to live a Holy life, guess what, it means live a Holy life.
If you do not understand what this means, study the bible some more and follow what it says.
are saved.
If we need to respond, repent, confess and trust, have faith, believe Gods heart and
intention through the cross, then equally the opposite is also possible.
This is why people who follow this road end up fatalists or universalists.
If you cannot cope that love requires two parties to agree and walk together,
then how is this a loving relationship or founded on friendship and worship of
the Lord and all the good things He does?
It is like the possibility of failure is so catastrophic, the ultimate nightmare of a
legalists, faith for these believers is the exact opposite, there are no rules and
no way once accepted to ever lose it.
I cannot relate to this concept because it is connected to a way of having relationships
in which there is no individual, one is a group identity without responsibility. So the leaders
take the parental role guiding the sheep, and the evil wolves have to be weeded out and the
sheep protected. So the enemy become other believers who must be diabolical or else they
would just accept this view of the world and Jesus.
The real test is are you interested in truth and love or just belonging? If you just want to
belong, bingo, you have arrived, but if you want to walk in the Kingdom and learn and listen
and walk, you actually have to do these things and actually apply yourself.
So much this is the opposite of this easy believism, if you do not accept the version they share,
you are evil, beyond recognition. And not surprisingly this is all they share, because this is actually
all they have, there is no real change or nuance, it is seeing the mess one is, and just appreciating
God loves you, and it is ok. It is like turning up to a building site and it is only half built, though the
plans are everywhere and declaring this was the intention of the builder and we should leave it well
alone, because it is up to Him to finish the job, even though the plans say specifically what we are
to do, that would be working for your self and not the builder, even though you were called, recruited
and instructed to build precisely according to the instructions.
What we are called to live a Holy life, guess what, it means live a Holy life.
If you do not understand what this means, study the bible some more and follow what it says.
i just heard some guy say that prayer is a work......... this is getting ridicilous now even praying is a work????? romans 10:9 is for israel in its diminishing he said.........
why are churches getting rid of water baptism repentance and now even some say like joseph prince u dotn need to confess ur sins??????? crazy crazy tings what is to blame......
i wish paul woulda told us what the not of works means in ephesians 2:8 i believe it means not by works of the law u see...... like circumcision or not wearing mixed fabrics or anything like that u see. what do u guys believe? anyone got any concrete proof on what it means?
why are churches getting rid of water baptism repentance and now even some say like joseph prince u dotn need to confess ur sins??????? crazy crazy tings what is to blame......
i wish paul woulda told us what the not of works means in ephesians 2:8 i believe it means not by works of the law u see...... like circumcision or not wearing mixed fabrics or anything like that u see. what do u guys believe? anyone got any concrete proof on what it means?
God's Grace plus your wonderful works to keep you saved = counterfeit gospel
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God's Grace plus nothing; "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians2:8 "anything we do after we are saved is a result of Gods goodness to His children."
To try to finish what God has begun in your life is foolish with long term harmful side effects. You cannot attribute your good works to any part of God's salvation; only bow down to worship and serve Him for all He has done for you. The only question to ask is, why would He saved a wretched sinner like you or me.
"being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." Phil1:6. If you are trying to justify yourself with your wonderful good works you have "Fallen from Grace"
"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." Gal5:4
Faith to Faith it is all of God's work, not your's
Hi Muzungu, There is no "Hyper Grace" theology being preached here. God saves you start to finish. What we do after being saved is our "Sanctification", being set apart to serve God; it is a process and pursuit of Holy Living and becoming more like Christ that is a life long pursuit. People who add works to their salvation are mixing Justification with Sanctification.
Read through to Ephesians 2:10.. our Faith in Christ saves us.. yet that Faith is to grow in Grace and knowledge of Christ.. and He teaches us what we are to do.. believe and be Baptized with Holy Spirit that guides, comforts and brings Truth to mind.
So when Abraham offered Isaac His Faith was perfected by the action/ work<<< this was Abraham believing GOD.. So he heard Believed and did..
if he had heard and did nothing, he believed not...
We are to have the Faith of Abraham..
So when Abraham offered Isaac His Faith was perfected by the action/ work<<< this was Abraham believing GOD.. So he heard Believed and did..
if he had heard and did nothing, he believed not...
We are to have the Faith of Abraham..
God's Grace plus your wonderful works to keep you saved = counterfeit gospel
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God's Grace plus nothing; "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians2:8 "anything we do after we are saved is a result of Gods goodness to His children."
To try to finish what God has begun in your life is foolish with long term harmful side effects. You cannot attribute your good works to any part of God's salvation; only bow down to worship and serve Him for all He has done for you. The only question to ask is, why would He saved a wretched sinner like you or me.
"being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." Phil1:6. If you are trying to justify yourself with your wonderful good works you have "Fallen from Grace"
"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." Gal5:4
Faith to Faith it is all of God's work, not your's